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UFC 75 winners and losers: Recap for 'Champion vs. Champion'


By Jesse Holland

In case you were wondering:

Deaf: Matt Hamill
Dumb: Jeff Mullen
Blind: Cecil Peoples

I'm giving Doug Crosby a free pass for actually scoring the bout correctly, but this has to be the worst decision since Ted Danson went blackface at Friar's.

And the audacity of Michael Bisping to celebrate in the ring and dance on the soul of Matt Hamill. Bisping did not defeat Hamill -- incompetent officiating defeated Matt Hamill.

Part of what makes this decision such a travesty was the performance of Hamill. I've never been too impressed with his ability in the past but his performance at UFC 75 was a tour de force. For the first time since TUF 3 I'm actually looking forward to Matt Hamill's next fight.

As for Michael Bisping? Not since Edward Longshanks have I've loathed an Englishman with such vigor.

While we're on the topic of European Imports, Marcus Davis gave us the evening's most thrilling performance against Paul Taylor. In the spirit of Hughes/Trigg 2, Davis managed a dramatic comeback worthy of future highlight shows. And credit to the referee as well for making the right call and not stopping the fight.

Marcus Davis has worked hard to rebuild his UFC career and his ability to finish Paul Taylor with an armbar is a perfect example of how far he's come. People who think you only tune in to see marquee names usually miss exciting fights like this one.

Star-divide

Speaking of marquee names, Alessio Sakara may have lost the opportunity to fight one after his quick loss to Houston Alexander. In our exclusive interview, Sakara made such a point of saying that he was a new and improved fighter, yet he still made the same mistakes he made against McFedries and Lister.

I know it's a little early to have Houston Alexander approach the throne, but he needs an opponent who can take a punch - or take it to the ground. Let's see what Tito Ortiz is up to after his rematch with Rashad Evans.

And to all you haters out there: MIRKO CRO COP IS BACK! Well, not really. I just wanted to feel good for the few seconds it took me to type that.

It was hard for me to watch Cro Cop fight Cheick Kongo. Watching him crumpled up against the cage clinging to his little Mirko's after an errant Kongo knee pretty much sums up how I was feeling as well.

Filipovic spent most of his career as one of the world's best. That time has unfortunately come and gone, but however he may end his career in the UFC, there was a time when he was very special.

And let's not take anything away from Kongo. He looked pretty special himself as he dominated every round. Is this really the same guy that got taken down at will by Carmelo Marrero?

Many thought Quinton "Rampage" Jackson would be taken down by Dan "Hollywood" Henderson, but tonight I really noticed how much Rampage has matured as a fighter.

A few years ago Jackson had run-ins with Wanderlei Silva, Mauricio Rua and Jesus Christ. I thought each encounter left him one step closer to retirement but he's really hit his stride since then going 6-0 in the last two years and defeating top stars like Lindland, Liddell, and now Henderson.

Where does he go from here? How about Rampage/Rua II? That's assuming Forrest Griffin doesn't throw a wrench in the works at UFC 76.

UFC 75 was a solid event that had some great action and one heinous decision. It also showcased the talents of Yves Lavinge - who believe it or not has yet to be booed. Doesn't sound that impressive until you realize that he's both a referee and a Canadian.

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The Hamill decision was one of the worst I’ve ever seen in the UFC. Judges making fixed decisions for home town heroes is something I would expect from a Don King boxing event. Dana White has some explaining to do!

by John on Sep 9, 2007 5:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the bad decision, however, Hamill did not help himself much. It looked to me like he got winded and lost some steam, otherwise, I think it would have been a much more concise victory for him.

It’s amazing to me how smug the English can be. They are clearly not educated on the “sweet science” (to borrow a phrase from boxing – forgive me) of MMA. I can not believe the boos from the crowd during the main event. Granted, not the most exciting fight ever, but a very good technical fight. If they want to see nothing but swinging fists, let them go to a soccer game. There usually are plenty of asanine goons there to entertain the simple minded.

I have to say, I was a little surprised by Jackson… much more depth than I had anticipated he had. Things didn’t look good for him to start, but as Henderson winded, he showed more ability than I thought he had. Well deserved win, but can he stay at the top of LH long???

by 2BAD4U on Sep 9, 2007 5:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Bisping has nothing to be proud of. He is a B – fighter at best and will never rise to the top because of lack of skill and an abundance of poor attitude. The outcome of this fight was one of the worst decisions in UFC history. Good thing they were in London. Seeing him dance around made me want to throw up. He should hang his head in shame and the officials decision is at best shamefull.

by Mark on Sep 9, 2007 5:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i was there and im english. I have to say i was embarrassed by the attitude of alot of the crowd,like 2Bad said whenever the fight went to the ground the crowd started to boo. Not all of us followed suit with that. If they want to see stand up all the time then go watch boxing.
Also have to say that Bisping was exceptionally lucky and home advantage played alot into it, i think their would of been a mini riot if he had lost on points.

There was some good natured banter between the brits and the americans in the crowd that started to spill over into a bit of an alcohol enfused standoff. an example was three blokes sitting infront of me were barracking some americans other side of arena during the bisping fight and they were not even bothered watching the fight just singing “engerlandddd, engerlannd” total idiots.

hopefully UFC will return to these shores again with a bit more of an educated audience.

by makapaka8 on Sep 9, 2007 6:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When Bisping’s name was called, my jaw hit the floor. As for him being winded, of course he was. Look at how much he did compared to Bisping. Hamill took Bisping down SIX times during that fight. They may as well just have brought Bisping down to the octagon and raised his arm.

by J on Sep 9, 2007 6:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This decision was ridiculous. What did Bisping do to win that fight? A travesty. I look forward to seeing him get destroyed once Dana stop protecting him. What an ass.

by AaronW on Sep 9, 2007 6:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was at the event last night in London. Following the Bisping decision, the crowd booed so loudly you couldn’t hear the post-fight comments. While the English are proud of their fighters, they aren’t blind. Everyone was joking afterwards about how Bisping won the homer call of the night and they knew was beaten fair and square.

by nycinlondon on Sep 9, 2007 6:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

by dsi_chameleon on Sep 9, 2007 6:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe punches to the gloves were counted for points? I was telling my buddies that Hamil might get robbed even before the fight started. B.S. like this is why I stopped watching boxing.

Hamil was pretty well taking down Bisping at will but instead of going for his usual boring style he went for something the fans wanted AND still won the fight.

You know Joe Rogan wanted to say something; he did his best; ‘Bisping should be dropping to 185lbs.’

This sucks: Does this fixed decision benefit both fighters? Probably, Bisping is still the Goldenboy (even after his shameless after fight comments) overseas and Hamil is the poor guy who tried to do it the hard way so he could please fans, did it, and was then robbed; people love that sort too.

the guy

by the guy on Sep 9, 2007 6:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hamill looked good early, but was shuffling around the octagon like a low motion sleep walker in the third. Lost a lot of respect for bisbing after some of his comments and actions after the fight. dancing around like he knocked him out or just won a belt……come on! I gained a lot of respect for hamill. he was very gracious in defeat, saying bisping beat him fair and square( even though it wasn’t)

What is cro cop’s deal……WOW!, thats all i can say.

very impressed with davis. rallied back to win in impressive fashion. i’d like to see him in there with a more established guy, to see how far he really has come since the show. kos or burkman would be a good match up(might be a step down for kos though). a good fight would be davis and lytle.

rampage looked good and focused and ready to put on a good run as light heavy champ. lets just hope that talk of wanting 6 months off to do a reality show was just abunch of BS. as for henderson, get him there against winner of silva/franklin as soon as possible.

by Bass on Sep 9, 2007 6:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whats wrong with canadians? just becasue our ref’s don’t have sweet facial hair doesn’t mean there not good……….come on

by Bass on Sep 9, 2007 6:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow…What a night…Kind of disappointing in many aspects…

Honestly, I hope to hear over the next couple of days that Cro Cop was hurt. I think he messed up his left hand/arm. He threw like one defensive punch in the third with the left that was scoring big time in the first.

The Bisping sham was absolutely disgusting. I don’t know how they gave him that fight. Because he was given that fight. That was the worst decision ever, it even beats the Griffin/Ortiz match, which was ironically played right before the event!!! I think the reason why they showed Hamill highlights when they were interviewing Bisping is because even the guys that put the highlights together know that Hamill won!!! This was truly the most disappointing point of the night. I hope that we hear that two judges picked the wrong corner accidentally…

The last fight of the night was pretty good although it was really close, it really could have went either way.

With the Irish hand bomb, he’s lucky that he had the ref he had. He always lets it go on long…Any other referee and that fight was stopped.

I’m still so stinking mad about the Bisping fight….

by Shadyone33 on Sep 9, 2007 6:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“im surprised by the decision, mike did a good job of fighting, michael bisping is the ultimate fighter, he beat me fair and square.
i give him alot of credit, but i thought i won that fight, but i know he was(/this) in his hometown and
it was a close fight and i give him alot of credit.”

those are the exact words of his post fight interview, he kind of contradicts himself when he says he thought he won AND mike beat him fair and square

by dsi_chameleon on Sep 9, 2007 6:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s amazing to me how smug the English can be. They are clearly not educated on the “sweet science” (to borrow a phrase from boxing – forgive me) of MMA. I can not believe the boos from the crowd during the main event. Granted, not the most exciting fight ever, but a very good technical fight. If they want to see nothing but swinging fists, let them go to a soccer game. There usually are plenty of asanine goons there to entertain the simple minded.

You act like the English are the only ones who boo at the sight of any grappling. With the exception of the Japanese and maybe a few others, pretty much every other country just wants to see a kickboxing match with plenty of blood and a flashy KO.

by Tonksy on Sep 9, 2007 6:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone else think bisping’s foot work looked awful? i thought he was gonna trip himself a couple of times there he was trying to shuffle so fast.

by Bass on Sep 9, 2007 6:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamill won that fight, i was shocked when they called Bigspings name

by jsoph on Sep 9, 2007 6:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude, he was merely giving respect to Michael “The Cunt” Bisping, but disagreeing with the judges decision, dumbass.

Much respect to Hamill, these dudes must have a rematch with no judges and no time limits to determine the undisputed winner.

by Rhys Wilkins on Sep 9, 2007 6:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

Haha, are you seriously putting up an argument for Bisping winning?

by Theman on Sep 9, 2007 6:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

????What did Michael Bisping do to win that fight? Unbelieveable! Hometown advantage? Did Don King promote this fight? Where was Dana White? Where were the judges? Was two of them from England? Did they get the fighters confused because they have the same haircut??
 I HOPE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO JUDGE MMA AGAIN!
Lesson boys & girls, this is why you dont gamble on sports.

I was so happy, I picked split decision for Matt Hamill on MMA PLAYGROUND.When the decision came in for Bisbing I flipped the fuck out. Still flipping out.
 
 I want to know what was said about this in the post-conference interviews.

by kb on Sep 9, 2007 7:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

I don’t care what Matt Hamill said after the fight, Matt won that fight and it wasn’t even close. He walked through M.B. Joe kept saying how M.B. better think about moving down to 185 lbs. I guess them other two judges were watching the same fight you was.

by brac on Sep 9, 2007 7:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to say as a Brit that I think the O2 Arena won the fight for Bisping. Their would have been a lynching had the decision not been given to Bisping.

by Stozo on Sep 9, 2007 7:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was absolutlye the worst bullshit decision I’ve ever seen when they called Bisping’s name. I didn’t see the Clay Guida-Tyson Griffin fight people were upset over but I’m sure this has to top that.

You could argue Bisping MAYBE won the last round- I don’t think he did- but Hamill absolutely won the first two. Should have resulted in a unanimous decision with 30-27 or 29-28 scores.

I don’t blame Bisping for losing the fight- he was just out fought. I don’t think it is to his advantage frankly to fight in front of his home crowd and carry an unblemised record. That’s a tonne of pressure. But yeah the c.unt shouldn’t have been celebrating and giggling like a little british bitch. He’s on my shit list now. That little suckling pig better drop down to 185 to avoid any rematch.

If there is any justice in the world the UFC will keep Hamill around. Their hands are bloody in this so they won’t acknowledge it was a bad decision. Dana White’s staffers probably IM’d the judges what the decision should be. What a disgusting, bullshit fixed fight.

Now that is ‘dirty boxing’- the old school kind.

by Mamas Boy on Sep 9, 2007 7:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That Bisping fight was BS…..He lost, I know it and everyone who saw it knows it. It sucks because I was a fan of his when he fought in TUF 3.

by Skull_Leader on Sep 9, 2007 7:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How could Bisping win after he ran away for 3 rounds? Matt was robbed. Period. Someone had money on this fight and the judges did the wrong thing.

by Nhoj on Sep 9, 2007 7:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is time for Bisping to move down. At 205 he can be moved around like a rag doll. At 185 he might have a little power. The fact he was given that decision was a travesty to those with eyes

by Adam on Sep 9, 2007 7:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“im surprised by the decision, mike did a good job of fighting, michael bisping is the ultimate fighter, he beat me fair and square.
i give him alot of credit, but i thought i won that fight, but i know he was(/this) in his hometown and
it was a close fight and i give him alot of credit.”

those are the exact words of his post fight interview, he kind of contradicts himself when he says he thought he won AND mike beat him fair and square

Hamill is just being a good sport. That decision was a fucking travesty. And no I’m not just saying that because I happen to be American. I didn’t really have a preference pre-fight. Hamill’s improved his stand-up but he still has to work on his ground game. He had plenty of chances to really put the fight out of reach- make it a blowout. But in hindsight, nothing short of a complete knockout of Bisping would have affected the judges scoring. That was as fixed as they come.

by Mamas Boy on Sep 9, 2007 7:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How disgraceful of Bisping to gloat after the decision, and not even acknowledge Hamill. Deep down, doesn’t he have to know that Hamill won? Is Bisping delusional, or just that full of himself??

Yes, Hamill did lose steam later in the fight, but in my humble opinion, Bisping just didn’t do enough to win that fight, not even defensively.

I’m outraged by the decision, and I can’t wait to see Hamill fight again. I hope he doesn’t let this stop him.

by justagirl on Sep 9, 2007 7:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can not believe the boos from the crowd during the main event. Granted, not the most exciting fight ever, but a very good technical fight. If they want to see nothing but swinging fists, let them go to a soccer game. There usually are plenty of asanine goons there to entertain the simple minded.

You hear that too quickly over on this side of the pond too. The Japanese Pride fans seem to be the only fans who sit quietly. You can make an argument either way as to whether the Japanese fans have a greater admiration for the tactical struggle for position or they are just more passive and submissive people afraid to speak out.

In Europe and I think most everywhere besides the US- they generally whistle instead of boo’ing. American fans used to not get that. So we heard a very special thing last night when the fans became restless in the American idiom.

by Mamas Boy on Sep 9, 2007 7:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s amazing to me how smug the English can be. They are clearly not educated on the “sweet science” (to borrow a phrase from boxing – forgive me) of MMA. I can not believe the boos from the crowd during the main event. Granted, not the most exciting fight ever, but a very good technical fight. If they want to see nothing but swinging fists, let them go to a soccer game. There usually are plenty of asanine goons there to entertain the simple minded.

I agree- they were a pretty obnoxious crowd. It was worse than when the Americans were chanting “USA” during the Hughes/St.Pierre fight. So embarrassing.

by justagirl on Sep 9, 2007 7:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Enough about the Bisping scandal.

Houston Alexander convinced me last night. The Jardine fight wasn’t just a fluke. Dude is a Mack truck. He reminds me of Rampage from years back when Rampage would just run through guys ungracefully. You can bum rush the competition like that on the way up but as he works his way up the food chain he’s going to need more. Maybe he has more in his toolbox but just hasn’t gotten far enough into a fight to need it. I’m curious who his next opponent will be because now the UFC should put him in protected status and groom him for the title shot. He’s like 36 though so we’re not looking at a dynasty here. I don’t know who they can feed him next- maybe Bonnar? Or give him winner of Tito-Rashad… not the loser.

by Mamas Boy on Sep 9, 2007 7:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“It’s amazing to me how smug the English can be. They are clearly not educated on the “sweet science” (to borrow a phrase from boxing – forgive me) of MMA. I can not believe the boos from the crowd during the main event."

A case of selective memory here I think – one thing that really irks me at UFC fights is the booing when a fight goes to the ground but it is far worse in the USA especially in Vegas, I have also seen the crowd boo within 30 seconds of the start of the fight because of lack of action! I remember Uriah Faber saying on TV that he went to a UFC fight (in the states) & the crowd booed every single fight, so I would not be so patronising with your comments & look closer to home. By the way I thought Hamill won as well but definitely Bisping won one round so it wasnt as much of a travesty as some would suggest, I have seen far worse. (By the way i’m not English)

by simmy on Sep 9, 2007 7:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How disgraceful of Bisping to gloat after the decision, and not even acknowledge Hamill. Deep down, doesn’t he have to know that Hamill won? Is Bisping delusional, or just that full of himself??

Yes, Hamill did lose steam later in the fight, but in my humble opinion, Bisping just didn’t do enough to win that fight, not even defensively.

I’m outraged by the decision, and I can’t wait to see Hamill fight again. I hope he doesn’t let this stop him.

Girl, you are dead on.

While we are all focusing on the Bull-shit decision, which it totally was, worse than guida/griffin, but Hamill looked much inproved. He has a chin and his striking has improved greatly.

Bisping is a punk who needs to drop to middleweight. Hamill was very impressive imo.

by Schiro on Sep 9, 2007 7:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Hamill was the aggressor, scored the more clean punches (even rocked Bisbing a few times), and had several take downs. Is it me or was that the worst decision in MMA history? I can’t even think of anything that Bisbing did that could have remotely resulted in him winning that fight. If being totally dominated is what they used to score the fight, then I agree. Matt showed class by his post fight interview in the ring. I would’ve been outraged! I hope that MMA judges aren’t coming over from boxing, because that is what it looked like. Anyone that knows MMA knows that was a disgraceful decision.

by Duche11 on Sep 9, 2007 7:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamill clearly won the fight!! he was robbed. Bisping was running away the whole fight.. f@ck the judges.

by kentots on Sep 9, 2007 7:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im Bispings biggest fan……

Shocking decision the judges , He needs to drop before he gets hurt bad at LHW IMO

by BISPINGisaMIDDLEweight.. on Sep 9, 2007 7:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good fight by hamill prove he is better then gisping either on ground or stricking
jackson/ hendo jackson he migh win but he won’t last champion
for that long
let’s face it cro cop is doneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

by sadnane on Sep 9, 2007 7:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

He also said that he thought he won the fight, in the ring…That was a draw at Michael Bispings best…Now he is he going to fight? He has to fight real fighters in that division. No more wrungs in Dana Whites LAdder to baby him…He has to fight real competitors from this point on. No more givemes in the division left. Forrest, Rashad, Tito, The Dean of Mean, Huston Alexander or do we give him another win against the People Champ Ross Pointon. You do realize 4 or is it 3 of his 14 undefeated wins come against Ross. Or does he go down in wieght and fight Dean Lister, Nathan Marquardt, Rich FRanklin, Anderson Silva, or the list of other nobodies in that wieght division besides the aformentioned cream of the crop in that division? I can not wait to see him fight a level A fighter. He has shown he can barely handle a B level fighters. Do not get me wrong he has potential and he is young but to celebrate a victory where both eyes are swelling shut, you spent the majority of the fight running or on your back is completely and utterly insane. TO bad Hammill let him up the few times that he did. I can not believe the one judge that gave all 3 rounds to Bisping. Can we say Travesty. Well I guess thats the way the cookie or shall we say tea biscuit crumbles when you are trying to make a name for yourself in England(Dana).

As far as the English fight fans booing the main fight, I agree it is mixed martial arts not boxing or a tuff man contest. IT reminded me of the Elite XC Fights on Showtime. Any ground work or Cage work (ie. dirty boxing) is completely booed. But I think(hope anyway) that will subside more in the future as the British Fans start getting educated on the sport as a whole. It is even a younger sport there than it is here so with due time respect for the ground game should come.

by Monkey on Sep 9, 2007 8:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awful….just an awful decision!!!! Then to run your gums like you just pounded the guy into the ground. Bisping lives in his own little world. He is a legend in his own mind. To gloat and disrespect Hamill like he did after the fight was an outrage. Angered me to the point I wanted to punch the tv.

Hamill’s post fight comments…words from a true fighter. He didn’t want to start complaining about the decision. He knew he won, but he knows that the decision of the judges is final. So why whine about it on tv. Unlike what we would have seen from Bisping if he had lost.

Bisping ran for three rounds and Hamill showed who was the real winner of the Ultimate Fighter. Bisping’s comments leading up to the fight about Hamill not being in his class and not earning the right to fight him, sure were silenced when Matt pounded the daylights out of Mike in the first round.

“The Count” was down for the count. Matt keep your head up and fight on. You truley were robbed in London.

by cbrslider on Sep 9, 2007 8:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I had friends over to watch the fights, who have never seen these fights before and each one was shocked that the decision went to Bisping. Hamill was tired, but he still was more dominant. Then after the decision, Bisping was really acting as if he just mauled Hamill, and that the judges had clearly seen him pull off a Rocky/Ivan Drago fight. Very poor indeed.

by Squishy Dolphin on Sep 9, 2007 8:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This fight was just like Rocky IV, Bisping being Appollo, the way he entered the cage trying to wave to every fan(judge) in the place. Hamill kicked britbutt all over the cage the whole fight, dominated the stand-up and the ground, I knew coming into the fight if it went to the scorecards it would be one-sided. If this fight would have been in Vegas or anywhere in the U.S. I guarantee Hamill would have won. Hamill has NOTHING to be ashamed of, we all know who won. As for Bisping, if you got the guts, drop down to 185 and let Hughes show you what a REAL ULTIMATE FIGHTER IS. I used to have a little respect for Bisping but after gloating about a fight you really lost, come on. Not giving any credit to a man that beat you? Bisping, no class, YOU SUCK!!!!

by American Fighter on Sep 9, 2007 8:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“…Deaf: Matt Hamill
Dumb: Jeff Mullen
Blind: Cecil Peoples…”

Man, this still has me laughing.

by Schiro on Sep 9, 2007 8:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

are you kidding me? bisping won? that was a complete disgrace. bisping was running away from hamill the entire fight. hamill hurt him with those shots to the face. hamill took him to the ground. bisping got a few jabs off during the fight, but they hit hamill’s arms. he did get hit a few times though. dana white should look into that judging “effort”. something was wrong there. Props to hamill though for taking it like a man. you think a kid, who’s trying to get a big contract in the UFC would announce that he thought it was a joke, and that the judges were a joke? all in front of dana white? of course he’ll take it like a man, that’s what hamill is, A MAN…. unlike that pu$$ bisping… “go back to wrestling” looked to EVERYONE that the “wrestler” left some nice lumps on your face…. what an ass. i urge everyone to go to www.bisping.tv, go to contacts, and send his “manager” a message about how you think he did.

by groundand pound on Sep 9, 2007 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

He only said that you friggin idiot because he has class, unlike that smelly, classless englishman. Bisping lost that fight and because of poor judging hamill had to see that idiot dance around like he won.
       
                 nuff said

by travis on Sep 9, 2007 8:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is nonsense, Hamill made Bisping look like an idiot in the first round, then the second and third rounds weren’t very decisive- I would have given one round to both fighters. I think that Hamill got robbed. Then Bisping gloats about his win without giving Hamill any credit…

I hope that Bisping stays at 205 long enough to get knocked out or to rematch Hamill.

“im surprised by the decision, mike did a good job of fighting, michael bisping is the ultimate fighter, he beat me fair and square.
i give him alot of credit, but i thought i won that fight, but i know he was(/this) in his hometown and
it was a close fight and i give him alot of credit.”
those are the exact words of his post fight interview, he kind of contradicts himself when he says he thought he won AND mike beat him fair and square

He isn’t contradicting himself, he means that he would have scored the fight differently but the judge’s decision is final. There were some boos in the crowd after Bisping won in his homeland, showing that this is really a controversial decision.

by 12121212 on Sep 9, 2007 8:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey mania, cecil peoples was the only one who scored the fight for hamill. It was that guy Watts that was blind

by 12121212 on Sep 9, 2007 8:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt was robbed, but he sure showed class about it. I think a rematch should take place.

by Emdee on Sep 9, 2007 8:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I gotta say, I am (Was?) a Bisping fan and was actually hoping for Bisping to score a solid win, but that was absolute bullshit, and I was extremely disappointed with his handling of the win. His comments were borderline retarded (“Back to wrestling!”? Really? Considering a good portion of the fight was standing and Bisping was still getting whacked?) and he’s lucky to remain undefeated, because unlike Hamill he really hasn’t improved a great deal over time.

The look on Cro Cop’s face as they prepared to announce the decision was absolutely brutal. Poor guy…

And Houston Alexander is awesome. I love that guy now, ha, ha…

by no one on Sep 9, 2007 8:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Michael “The Cunt” Bisping lost that fight and his dignity.

Congrats to Matt Hammill for his performance and his show of class in “defeat”

by Pissed off Brit on Sep 9, 2007 8:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the worse decision to date. My phone rang off the hook right after the decision with all of my friends in shock. I was in shock too! I was pulling for Bisping but it is very disappointing to see a horrible decision in MMA…I thought that was for boxing. Although Hamill has never really impressed me before, he looked a little better last night. He clearly earned a win. I’d love to see a poll for all viewers to vote. The results would speak loud and clear.

by cww387 on Sep 9, 2007 8:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I don’t think the fight was as one-sided as some of you obviously do. Hamill had a chance to take over and dominate this fight, and he didn’t. When that happens, you leave yourselves open to opinion.

Still, if I’d been a judge, I’d have awarded the bout to Hamill by a slight margin.

by Big_B on Sep 9, 2007 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Worst decision I’ve ever seen, but Im glad most of us here agree. Bisping was straight up scared of the power that hamil had, you could clearly see that in round 2 as Bisping was very timid about exchanging with him. Then in round 3 he was fighting out of desperation which to me showed that he knew he was in trouble and then the worst decision I have seen in the history of MMA.
Just makes me think Bisping is even more of a hack, and everyone talks like he is the knew breed of fighter, he would get destroyed by any top 10 fighter out there…..the Hometown fix was definately in affect last night.

by mayberry on Sep 9, 2007 8:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BIGGEST RIPOFF EVER!! MATT DESTROYED BISPING!!
AND THAT MORON CELEBRATES AFTER LOOKING LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT..RUNNING AWAY LIKE A 3RD GRADER DISGUSTING..I WILL NEVER WATCH UFC AGAIN

by Ted on Sep 9, 2007 8:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Worst decision I’ve ever seen, but Im glad most of us here agree. Bisping was straight up scared of the power that hamil had, you could clearly see that in round 2 as Bisping was very timid about exchanging with him. Then in round 3 he was fighting out of desperation which to me showed that he knew he was in trouble and then the worst decision I have seen in the history of MMA.
Just makes me think Bisping is even more of a hack, and everyone talks like he is the knew breed of fighter, he would get destroyed by any top 10 fighter out there…..the Hometown fix was definately in affect last night.

Lady’s and Gentlemen we have a BINGO!

by Justin on Sep 9, 2007 8:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Total Bullshit. Hammil won without a doubt. UFC is turning into WWE. Joe Rogan is a Bitch for even stepping into the ring after the fight and giving props the Bisping. F**K the UFC and all that it (now) stands for.

by KnockKnockLightsout on Sep 9, 2007 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

[quote comment=“145518”] I think the reason why they showed Hamill highlights when they were interviewing Bisping is because even the guys that put the highlights together know that Hamill won!!!

The reason they showed Hammil highlights is because there were not Bisping highlights to show…sure he ran fast but wasn’t a track meet.

by ontariofightfan on Sep 9, 2007 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping got beaten fair and square and he knows it. Hamill should have gotten the win. At least he had some take downs and was a gracious “loser”. Bisping, take a lesson in good sportsmanship.

by ear310 on Sep 9, 2007 8:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What an embarrassment! Too bad that UFC is going the way of pro boxing…who is taking the fall in UFC 76?

Dana, you should be ASHAMED!

by Ed on Sep 9, 2007 8:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

Your going to give the fight to Bisping b/c Hamill was gracious in defeat? Better change your name to ontarioblindfan! HAMILL DESTROYED BISPING HANDS DOWN!

by #36 on Sep 9, 2007 8:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

U.F.C. WILL LOSE FANS BULLSHIT

by JOHN on Sep 9, 2007 8:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bisping “win” was the worst MMA decision I’ve ever seen. We all have to realize that we live in a world where NBA referees are for sale…….so why should we expect anything different in UFC. Dana White has an opportunity to correct this injustice. If he chooses to hide behind the judges he will reap what he has sown. Maybe Scotland Yard and the US Dept of Justice should consider subpoeaning the personal bank accounts of the judges over the next 6 months. The integrity of the scoring process is the very foundation of the entire MMA movement; and it has been compromised.

by Prosecutor on Sep 9, 2007 8:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I suppose to attempt to justify the decision you could say they were in Arena at Ringside and didn’t have the upclose camera shots we did have on TV. Also the fact the O2 Arena went nuts everytime Bisping even tapped Hamill could have lead them to think the shots were doing a lot more damage than they were.

by Stozo on Sep 9, 2007 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I pose again who do you all think he fights from here? With the exception of going down in weight, he has no more giveme’s left at 205. Do you think he tries his luck against a high level B fighter like a Forrest or Tito. Do you think he drops down to 185 and fights a few of the no namers or somebody like a Patrick Cote, whos pinpoint boxing and kicking I think would overwhelm The Cunt(great nickname by the way PissedBritt), in that weight class to find direction? I personally feel it is a long while before he is a level A competitor in any weight class{if he ever hits that teir of fighting)in the UFC. I do not believe he will make it past it B level personally but crazy shyte has happened in the UFC.

by Monkey on Sep 9, 2007 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

Its called humility, something Bisping had none of.
Last night was Bispings chance for winning the title. Im sure the judges would have decisioned him over Rampage too.

nuff said

by PoorDecision on Sep 9, 2007 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FAN NO MORE

by JOHN on Sep 9, 2007 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Poor Matt. I felt sorry for him after the fight, he should of won, we all know it. It was pretty much high school all over again, they gave the win to the popular kid. Now its time for a bully aka Houston to beat up Bisping.

p.s Kongo is the missing link!

by Lucas on Sep 9, 2007 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess I am alone in thinking Bisping deserve the win. The first goes to Hamill and the third went to Bisping. The second was close but Hamill was tired, and he threw and landed less punches than Bisping. Hamill took him down a few times but he could do nothing on the ground. Although, Hamill stalked Bisping it was Bisping who actually initiated the action, and he landed more punches.

by Gregg on Sep 9, 2007 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don’t just whine tell UFC how you feel here: http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=misc.contact

by kibbled_bits on Sep 9, 2007 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This fight was just like Rocky IV, Bisping being Appollo, the way he entered the cage trying to wave to every fan(judge) in the place. Hamill kicked britbutt all over the cage the whole fight, dominated the stand-up and the ground, I knew coming into the fight if it went to the scorecards it would be one-sided. If this fight would have been in Vegas or anywhere in the U.S. I guarantee Hamill would have won. Hamill has NOTHING to be ashamed of, we all know who won. As for Bisping, if you got the guts, drop down to 185 and let Hughes show you what a REAL ULTIMATE FIGHTER IS. I used to have a little respect for Bisping but after gloating about a fight you really lost, come on. Not giving any credit to a man that beat you? Bisping, no class, YOU SUCK!!!!

hughes fights at 170. i think you want to see silva maul him at 152

by onepunchpower on Sep 9, 2007 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the ranks of pro boxing UFC im not a fan of either of these guys but that decision was a tragedy. M.B has no class at all he should sell popcorn in the cheap seats.

by Jeff on Sep 9, 2007 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bisping was the better fighter he was more agressive in the last 2 rounds hamill threw like 5 punches and they all missed.So what that hamill got some take downs they were like accidental takedowns.you guys dont even know the rules of the octagon do ya? bisping threw 100 punches and hamill threw about 30.

by paul1981 on Sep 9, 2007 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I went into this fight pulling for Bisping. Hey took an @$! wooping. For any judge to score that fight for Bisping is dead wrong. Matt showed heart and class in how he conducted himself. The guy watching the fight with me is new to the sport and asked me about the the rules for judging because he couldn’t understand how Bisping won that fight. I agree with Rogan, Bisping better move down to 185 or it will get real ugly for him real soon

by tapout 23 on Sep 9, 2007 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ohh and even hamill said he thought bisping was more aggressive and threw more punches.

by paul1981 on Sep 9, 2007 9:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hamill wasnt impressive at all

by paul1981 on Sep 9, 2007 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This decision was a sham, Matt won – it is obvious that was fixed. I thought this was a legit sport not acting like big time wrestling. UFC – where are the girls, makeup and spandex because you lost all your credibility!!!!

by UFC IS A SHAM LIKE WWE on Sep 9, 2007 9:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That had to be the wort judging in history. Hamill controled the fight from beginning to the end. Yes, he had many chances to end the fight, but bisping had none. And then to run his mouth like he deserved to win makes me not have any desire to watch him fight ever again. I liked him as a fighter until last night.

by Joe on Sep 9, 2007 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Got this from UFC.com

“…All three judges gave the first round to Hamill, with Bisping rebounding to win the next two on the cards of Jeff Mullen and Chris Watts. Judge Cecil Peoples was the lone dissenter, awarding all three rounds to Hamill…..”

Even Gerbasi has no idea what the hell happened. Does that paragraph make sense to anyone?

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=7713

by Schiro on Sep 9, 2007 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s amazing to me how smug the English can be. They are clearly not educated on the “sweet science” (to borrow a phrase from boxing – forgive me) of MMA. I can not believe the boos from the crowd during the main event. Granted, not the most exciting fight ever, but a very good technical fight. If they want to see nothing but swinging fists, let them go to a soccer game. There usually are plenty of asanine goons there to entertain the simple minded.

Have you ever watched a UFC fight in Vegas? IMO, it’s not English fans that are uneducated about MMA, it’s UFC fans that are too often uneducated about MMA. Watch the vast majority of UFC fights and you’ll hear boo’s because UFC fans don’t yet understand a good technical fight like Pride fans always did.

by FlipperGonzo on Sep 9, 2007 9:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Peoples was not the lone dissenter, right?

by Schiro on Sep 9, 2007 9:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t like to see Cecil Peoples getting credit for being the dissenter(the correct score in this fight) when he’s the one that needs to be investigated.

by Schiro on Sep 9, 2007 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This fight was decided before it began. Dana White wants to expand UFC globally starting in the UK and Bisping is his little UK Golden Boy. It’s unfortunate that this really is the start of the UFC turning into the same type of BS business that boxing is and has been for years. It all comes down to what will give Dana White the most growth and business. If Bisping loses the fight, the UK loses interest the UFC. There’s no doubt that two of the judges were told what to do before the fight began. Hammill never had a chance.

by Mike on Sep 9, 2007 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh I’m so glad that someone else saw the Bisping Hamil fight the way I did. I thought maybe I was just being a fan of Hamil. Round one was all Hamil rnd2 and 3 where closer but hamil controlled the pace of the fight all the way.

by Todd Stith on Sep 9, 2007 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping and the judges should be f**king ashamed of themselves. Hamill may have started to run out of steam towards the end, but he definitely dominated the entire fight. I mean, Bisping was running away from Matt for most of the fight, and HE was the one favored to dominate the standup! That was a completely b/s call, i think, because Bisping is the UFC’s posterboy in England and god-forbid he should lose in front of his hometown crowd. Who knows? At this rate, maybe at UFC 77, Franklin will get KTFO by Silva, and still win the fight. In any event, I think Bisping and Hamill should get the same treatment as Ortiz and Evans. If the UFC has any dignity after last night’s travesty, they should realize that they at least owe the fans a rematch.

by matmar87 on Sep 9, 2007 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Matt H and Mike B fight was a 30-27 score for Matt H. no way did MB win that fight or a round .. . Matt controled the fight and needs to be congradulated on controling his self after the fight with that hommer call for MB … wow just when I thought that the UFC really was head and shoulders above boxing they give us this crap! FIXED FIXED FIXED for the home croud!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Jamie on Sep 9, 2007 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now… where’s McCanena or whoever he is… is he singing the same tune still about Bisping? or is he hiding?

by 123boogie on Sep 9, 2007 9:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m glad for once that just taking someone down and laying on them—praying, as they say, won’t give you the decision. That was what Hamill was doing. I’ve seen the fight three times now, and even though the fight was an extremely close call, I believe Bisping won the last two rounds. He was the aggressor, landing more shots, and got right back up when Hamill got him down. I wouldn’t be shocked if Hamill got the deicision either, just because I’m so used to seeing a simple takedown weighing a lot more in the judges eyes than almost anything else in a fighter’s arsenal.

by BHicks on Sep 9, 2007 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The man in that fight was Hamill. He stalked, pursued, and chased Bisping throughout the fight. Bips was just too good of a sprinter. With apologies to Speedy Gonzalez, it is now ‘Speedy Bips’. He can outrun anyone who threatens to beat the hell out of him. At least one of the judges was greased, that’s certain. This kind of bad smelling decision is what killed boxing. Matthew, you are a class man, a great fighter, and a champion in waiting.

by pokenhorn on Sep 9, 2007 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Mania, can you Email this whole page of comments after it grows for a couple days to Hamil, Bisping and Dana “The Don King” White? Absolutely RIGGED!!! And how come Joe Rogan didnt have big enough kahonnas to say something about it when hes holding the mic…..RIGGED…Ruined the rest of the night for me. You guys do an awesome job by the way…

by Goldenboy on Sep 9, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess I am alone in thinking Bisping deserve the win. The first goes to Hamill and the third went to Bisping. The second was close but Hamill was tired, and he threw and landed less punches than Bisping. Hamill took him down a few times but he could do nothing on the ground. Although, Hamill stalked Bisping it was Bisping who actually initiated the action, and he landed more punches.

Ok…Bisping may have thrown more punches. The fact is MOST of those punches landed on Hammill’s arms and hands that were covering his face. Nearly everytime Bisping hit Hammill he was flailing away at his head, which for the most part was completely covered. I only saw a handful of punches acually make contact with their intended target, well actually it seemed the intended target WAS Hammill’s arms. Bisping had nothing, even his usually effective kicks and knees were rendered useless for fear of being taken down. And say what you want about not being able to do anything on the ground…that is not a pre-requisite for scoring points with takedowns. A takedown is a takedown, it scores regardless of whether the fighter does anything with it afterwards. Besides, why not stand back up and continue to pummell your opponent after you’ve scored the takedown, especially when you are clearly landing the bigger, more decisive punches. This was an absolute travesty for not only Matt Hammill but for the UFC. It seems there was 1 UFC judge in the mix(30-27) and 2 ballet judges, as all Bisping did was dance around Hammill until the final 1:30, at which point he KNEW he needed to knock Hammill out, and his urgency showed it. I have seen several horrendous scoring results, this is just the icing on the cake being a number 2 fight on a cake….it reminded me of Clay Guida v Tyson Griffin. Come on Dana, this crap has to stop. I understand fighters shouldn’t leave it up to the judges, but damn…if it goes to the judges shouldn’t the judges be competent. 1 out of 3 is great if you want to make the MLB Hall of Fame.

by will on Sep 9, 2007 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW. i dont even need to explain. just hartbreaking. matt should be given a rematch, and if bisping really thinks he won and is a better fighter then matt and with all of the controversy going on already, he should want the rematch too to prove he is the better fighter (we all know hes not). bisping was confident for about 20 seconds in the ring, after matt ran at him off the start went toe to toe standing up and got the best of it. so bisping threw a knee or kick (i forget) but matt came right back with a flying knee that didnt conect. from that point on bisping was scared and you could se how nervous and unsteady he became. dana theres just no way you could agree with that decision. matt has had to overcome so much in his life and in mma and he deserves a rematch.

by ryan on Sep 9, 2007 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamill showed pure class from the time he walked in the ring until he walked out. He beat Bisping at the standup, even letting him up to his feet!

by DJ on Sep 9, 2007 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NO WAY NO HOW, Hammill beat him clean – awesome effort, head-up Dude!

by Ageneral3 on Sep 9, 2007 9:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever watched a UFC fight in Vegas? IMO, it’s not English fans that are uneducated about MMA, it’s UFC fans that are too often uneducated about MMA. Watch the vast majority of UFC fights and you’ll hear boo’s because UFC fans don’t yet understand a good technical fight like Pride fans always did.

The octagon is too big. It’s hard to see much action when the fighters are on the far side of the octagon curled up together in some ground game maneuver. If you watch the fighters, all you can see is two men curled up into a ball and many times staying that way for several minutes. It is watchable on tv but not in person!! Why is the octagon so big?

by Gregg on Sep 9, 2007 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also while the decision was wrong people saying that the 3rd round was Hamill’s are idiots. The 3rd was clearly Bisping’s.

by Stozo on Sep 9, 2007 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping got worked over in the entire fight and was taken down at will by Hammill. Dana White knew the outcome of this fight at 2:00 in the afternoon. He couldn’t afford to have the “UFC golden boy of the UK” lose in England. Hamill was doomed from the start. Definitly Hammill won this fight.

All hail the white Dong King …. Dana is a punk

by Kevin Kelly on Sep 9, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Hamill exhibited his fine character when he stated that
Bisping “beat me fair and square”.I, on the other hand, strongly disagree with this disgraceful decision.Last night the UFC organization was exposed as a business interested in the bottom line over fair and accurate judging. UFC, WBA, WBC etc., there is no difference.

by Max on Sep 9, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish the judges could get in trouble for robbing matt hammil……I lost sooo much respect for the UFC and the sport after seeing that….Honestly, how the hell can they get away with giving the fight to bisping???!@!!

by davejsv721 on Sep 9, 2007 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess I am alone in thinking Bisping deserve the win. The first goes to Hamill and the third went to Bisping. The second was close but Hamill was tired, and he threw and landed less punches than Bisping. Hamill took him down a few times but he could do nothing on the ground. Although, Hamill stalked Bisping it was Bisping who actually initiated the action, and he landed more punches.

    first off, matt let him up cause he wanted to prove something, hes a world class wrestler, if he wanted bisping on the ground bisping would be on the ground. judges score fight on 3 main thing, takedowns, sriking and octagon control. bisping never had position on matt, he was always close to the cage. bisping never took matt down or even looked good in takedown defence, he never had to fight to get up, he was let up. and as for stiking, bisping may have landed more punches but none of them did damage and he was cut under both eyes. he looked ok in the third but that was desperation fighting, even bisping though he lost the first 2 and had to do something

by ryan on Sep 9, 2007 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t ready everyone’s comments but I’m glad Jesse and everyone else agrees…

Hamill won that fight in a decisive fashion. It’s the biggest BS.

That fight should be overturned, ASAP, and people should be FIRED, for even conceiving that reality.

Should we start a petition?

by Hoodlum on Sep 9, 2007 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You hear that too quickly over on this side of the pond too. The Japanese Pride fans seem to be the only fans who sit quietly. You can make an argument either way as to whether the Japanese fans have a greater admiration for the tactical struggle for position or they are just more passive and submissive people afraid to speak out.

In Europe and I think most everywhere besides the US- they generally whistle instead of boo’ing. American fans used to not get that. So we heard a very special thing last night when the fans became restless in the American idiom.

You’re supposed to point the gun AWAY from you before pulling the trigger. LOL to call the Japanes “passive” is a clear indication that you DO NOT know what you are talking about. Stay away from sociologist arguements from now on & stick to commenting on MMA please.

by Machine on Sep 9, 2007 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ITS FUNNY THAT THE ONLY TV CLIPS THAT THEY CAN SHOW WHEN SAYING BISPING WON ARE ONES OF HIM GETTING HIS ASS KICKED. VERY POOR JUDGEMENT, ALOT OF PISSED OFF FANS AND ALOT WILL BE LOST, AFTER THAT CALL I STOPPED WATCHING THE REST OF THE FIGHTS.

by timmy brown on Sep 9, 2007 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bisping/Hamill fight was a travesty. UFC is gaining such popularity because men are really fighting and the real winner stands triumphantly; not last night though. Bullshit fixed fights and boredom is what killed boxing. If Dana White wants people to start tuning out, all he has to do is air a couple more of there “fixed for the hometown boy” fights. Dana, get rid of those two officials they are not worth it.

by Duffnick on Sep 9, 2007 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m glad for once that just taking someone down and laying on them—praying, as they say, won’t give you the decision. That was what Hamill was doing. I’ve seen the fight three times now, and even though the fight was an extremely close call, I believe Bisping won the last two rounds. He was the aggressor, landing more shots, and got right back up when Hamill got him down. I wouldn’t be shocked if Hamill got the deicision either, just because I’m so used to seeing a simple takedown weighing a lot more in the judges eyes than almost anything else in a fighter’s arsenal.

   once again bisping never got up on his own, not one scamble, matt let him up. ill let everyone else tell you the rest

by ryan on Sep 9, 2007 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the comparisons to boxing’s nonsense down through the yeas is a good one. Dana White is always saying how he has learned from boxing’s mistakes and he is going to build the UFC differently. Well, the UFC is now at another crossroads after this decision. A lot of knowledgeable fans feel outraged by what smells of home-cooking for Bisping. White better figure out a way to rectify this, or suspicions are going to surround the UFC going forward and erode the organization’s credibility.

This was a real shame – from a lot of points of view.

by Hamill-was-screwed on Sep 9, 2007 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How disgraceful of Bisping to gloat after the decision, and not even acknowledge Hamill. Deep down, doesn’t he have to know that Hamill won? Is Bisping delusional, or just that full of himself??

Yes, Hamill did lose steam later in the fight, but in my humble opinion, Bisping just didn’t do enough to win that fight, not even defensively.

I’m outraged by the decision, and I can’t wait to see Hamill fight again. I hope he doesn’t let this stop him.

Matt WAS much improved in stand-up and obviously won the fight.
Pretty good for his 6th bout, plenty of room to improve and build on his freakish strength.

As for Fizzping, no upside potential @ 205 – must drop or be dropped.
No respect at all for Fizz after flippant “Go to back to wrestling” comment to MH that no one seems to have heard/acknowledged/commmented on. Fizz musta been in a state of shock after decision following his ass-beating.

by YYZ on Sep 9, 2007 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cecil Peoples was the only judge who knew what he was watching. He scored Matt Hamill to win all three rounds. Full story on UFC.com. You gotta read it, what a joke. Dana White needs to do something about this fixed fight. Alot of people lost alot of money on that event. When Joe Rogan asked Bisping to walk us through the fight,(like he does at the end of every fight) there was nothin but Matt Hamill beatin him down on the screen. I hope all of England is happy, because all of America is pissed. We want a rematch!
What does this say for UFC’s organization?

by Nicole on Sep 9, 2007 10:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

Its called humility, something Bisping had none of.
Last night was Bispings chance for winning the title. Im sure the judges would have decisioned him over Rampage too.

nuff said

the judges wouldnt have been able to save bisping if he were fighting rampage. and i do think that it was 29-28(not 30-27) but it honestly could have gone either way.

by dsi_chameleon on Sep 9, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

Your going to give the fight to Bisping b/c Hamill was gracious in defeat? Better change your name to ontarioblindfan! HAMILL DESTROYED BISPING HANDS DOWN!

im not a damn CANADIAN!

by dsi_chameleon on Sep 9, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How does everyone like my picks?

I had Rampage

I had Kongo

I had Hamil (I know Bisping won, but come on)

The only one I got wrong was Sakara

I told you all to watch the cro cop, and Bisping upset.

Rampage is on a whole new level. Now that he has out wrestled Lindland and Henderson, I think its safe to say that his wrestling is world class. His submission defense was top notch as always. I love the striking combo’s Rampage put together. He is much stronger, and precise striker. Rampage has an elite caliber Ground n pound game. He is one of the few fighters that try to beat on the opponents body’s when on the ground, he drops viscious punches and elbows to his opponent ribs (He has been doing that since Pride). Grappling was awesome. Rampage’s chin was strong as advertised as was Hendo’s. Rampage has taken his game to a whole new level, that few will be able ot compete again. I am curious to c how the new Rampage matches up with Shogun and wanderlei. I think he will destroy wanderlei, but Shogun still scares me (although in my mind its a lot closer than b4).

Cro cop is sooooooooo one dimensional. Dana has to b sick about cro cops performance (lots of money was invested in Mirko). $100 on Kongo won me $360.

Bispings performance was pathetic, he has to drop down to 185.
I predicted Hamil to win, luckily I didnt have the ballz to bet on Hamil. Lucky me, the Judges messed that dicision up but, I collected another $100 on that fight.

The only fight I lost was Sakara. I liked Alexander, but I didnt know enough about him to feel comfortable about laying money on him. Alexander is for real…. That guy has rampage type power in his uppercutts and knees. It’s gonna b curious to c who they match him up with next. If wanderlei gets a warm up fight, Alexander would b an awesome opponent (they match up great stylistically). A

Props to Juanito, he is becoming one of the best trainers in MMA. All 3 of his fighters won, Kongo, Bisping, and Rampage.

That event was great, Also props for showing us the 5 rd Rampage fight without commercials.

Even though Bisping was terrible.. props to him for his quote:
“I expect the same support for Rampage, that the crowd showed me, He is one of my boys” I thought that was cool.

by john on Sep 9, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go to bisping.tv and you can tell Bisping yourself how you feel. It goes to his manager but you can be sure he’ll get a summary of our thoughts…. as a Brit myself, I’m not feeling very proud of the UK poster boy for UFC. Again…congrats to Matt.

by Pissed off Brit on Sep 9, 2007 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, after Forrest looses to shogun, I fight between Forrest and Alexander would be awesome.

Im a huge Bisping fan, but that had to b the worst decision I have seen in MMA since they said Rampage beat Murilo “Ninja” Rua

Rampage didnt get the slam I predicted but its good to hear that he was looking for it. I thought with his new training he would shy away from being the slam happy Rampage. Dan was attempting his arm barm, I thought quinton was gonna slam his way out of it a la Arona.

I was wrong, No Fedor announcement, still I wouldnt be surprised
if they announced it on Fight Night Live or UFC 76 since they are both on American Soil. Who knows, I was really surprised that they didnt announce it last night, although the commentators mentioned Fedor a lot during the broadcast, and they even made a coment to Randy about fighting Fedor.

I wanna c Hendo fight wanderlei for a 3rd time tie breaker. Then Shogun, and than I wanna c Hendo maul Liddell.

Also, after Rich Franklin, Dana has to let Hendo and Anderson Silva fight to unify the 185 pound title…. That would be awesome.!

by john on Sep 9, 2007 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BISBING LOST.

I USED TO LIKE HIM A LOT UNTIL HIS BEHAVIOR AFTER THE FIGHT.

HAMMIL WON . . . EASILY! 30 27

RETARDED UFC? YES.

WHY WOULD THEY TRY TO RUIN THE SPORT JUST BECAUSE ONE GUY IS MROE MARKETABLE. THAT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE.

WHAT HAPPENED TO HONOR AND RESPECT?

by Jason on Sep 9, 2007 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

100 bucks says Etim tests positove for ROIDS! lol

by john on Sep 9, 2007 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im a brit, and watched the event live. Was absolutly disgraced by Bisping getting the decision, and the way he reacted was shameful. Bisping Vs Hamill 2 without a fixed fight pls. Tbh I don’t want a fighter like Bisping representing the UK.

by Jay on Sep 9, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t it something that there was very little said about the fight or shown of the fight when it was completed. Christ, every other fight had two to three minutes of post game analysis. Even when Joe Rogan talked with Bisping about the fight they only showed him escaping a take down. Who thinks that the announcers were told to layoff on that fight cause there wasn’t a whole lot to show of Bisbing being the victor? Let us all face facts, for Hamill to win the fight he either had to KO Bisbing or sumbit him, and he did neither. A decision would go Bisbing’s way regardless of the beating he took. Lets face facts, the englishmen who fought earlier in the fight lost, so that kind of set things up for Bisbing. England couldn’t have two of their own get defeated by Americans.

On a side note, it probably didn’t help Hamill that he came in sporting “American Fighter” and “Born in the USA”. The fight decision was made there baring a KO or submission.

Bisbing was busted up bad, Hamill was winded. Go figure! You don’t expend alot of energy when you use your face as a punching bag but the person beating your face in will tend to get a little tired. Rematch is in order but I doubt it will happen. Bisbing knows he is in over his head with Hamill.

by Lost in the Mix on Sep 9, 2007 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have a solution to this problem: I would like Bisping to stay at LH, so we can feed him to Houston Alexander early next year. Let’s see him make it out of the first round!

by Mr. D on Sep 9, 2007 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamil did nothing to Bisping on the ground. I was very impressed with Bispings guard. However, Traditionally, judges should have ruled the fight in favor of Hamil. On the other hand, Hamil didnt do anything on the ground. I think the judges made the wrong decision. I think they took into consideration the damage aspect of the fight more than they usually do (even though the point scoring system should prolly put more emphasis on damage). Props to Hamils improved stand up.

Bisping has to drop down to 185

by john on Sep 9, 2007 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bisping was the better fighter he was more agressive in the last 2 rounds hamill threw like 5 punches and they all missed.So what that hamill got some take downs they were like accidental takedowns.you guys dont even know the rules of the octagon do ya? bisping threw 100 punches and hamill threw about 30.

Were you watching the same fight?

by Jens on Sep 9, 2007 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to thank the UFC for the free event; I do appreciate it.

I was impressed with Alexander, and look forward to watching him perform against the upper bracket. Though undeniably domminant, I’d like to see how he meets the challenge after the initial adrenaline dump is spent. Brute force and no fear work quite well in the first minute or so – but skill and strategy become more important as the gas tank empties.

I liked the Rampage/Henderson bout, two highly skilled champions that didn’t approach each other in overly cautious manner. It did make me wish for the old format or no rounds/no breaks/no draws. This fight would have been a good fight for that format

by PT Benson on Sep 9, 2007 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else find it ironic, that during a night showcasing the light heavyway division the movie being plugged was…

GOOD LUCK CHUCK

by PT Benson on Sep 9, 2007 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Was it just me or did Jackson and Henderson take it easy on each other? Especially when it came to the ground and pound aspect of the fight.

by Chill on Sep 9, 2007 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hamill wasnt impressive at all

Are you a new fan of the UFC? Your lack of knowledge and backgroung really is apparent through your misguided comments. Or maybe, you are bisbing in disguise!

by Jens on Sep 9, 2007 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hats off to Hamill. Bad decision. At some point down the road if these guys stay in it…. there will be a big rematch and Hamill will come out and rip Bispings head off and then take his soul.

by DJ Pullout on Sep 9, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping had 14 fights under his belt and Hamil 6. Hamil, in time, is going to be a beast to deal with. Top ten? Maybe never. I loved how he toss Bisping around though.

WTF was that dancing that Bisping was doing? Hamils footwork was Dawn of the Dead though wasn’t it?…MOVE you fricken Ox!

by cts on Sep 9, 2007 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a crock of shit! I’m calling out the two judges to fight me in a cage so they’ll know what a victory looks like!

by koopa on Sep 9, 2007 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was very sad for Matt that such a horrible decision was made. He clearly was the winner during the match, and was truly the winner in his humility afterwards.
I was so disappointed, that I turned the tv off and didn’t even watch any more matches.

by Dee on Sep 9, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bisping decision is a total disgrace. It is unreal. I haven’t paid to watch a UFC since UFC 73, which I still maintain is where the “fixing” became obvious. This further cements taht I will never pay $40 to watch a PPV again.

We need to start a petition to launch an investigation. I love MMA but the UFC is ruining it. They want reality, but then they make it like WWE with these terrible decisions.

I do not want to see a rematch because it is obvious who won.

by Jason on Sep 9, 2007 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My favorite part of the Bisping-Hamill fight was when Matt threw Bisping across the ring right as the bell sounded. Bisping landed on his ass, and you could see the terror in his eyes. He looked like an 8 year old bully who has just learned that someone is stronger and better than him. Seriously, I thought he was going to cry.

This is a completely disgraceful decision. Every other fight I’ve ever seen has been judged on takedowns, ring dominance, aggression, and hits.

Hamill scored takedowns at will, and let Bisping stand up several times. Hamill chased Bisping around the ring for the first two. The only time Bisping engaged was the start of the third round, for about 2 minutes. The only effective blows Bisping scored were some really nice counters when Matt was charging in. All those flurries as Matt backed up? They went off his arms. Not one landed.

I am a cheap bastard, and never pay to see a fight. I watched UFC 75 free on Spike. Before it aired that day, I was actually looking to see if I could go to a live UFC fight in my area, and I was even thinking about paying for PPV on a fight. There is not a chance of that happening. We even turned off the tv after that horrible decision, and I don’t know if I will watch The Ultimate Fighter 6 (after waiting for it since 5 ended).

Seriously, UFC needs to act. They should rescore the fight using all available video footage, and independent judges. If that’s not possible, then they should drop the fight from both fighters’ records. Those two judges should never judge another fight again, and the fighting commission should investigate to see if they were fixing it for betting purposes.

by mark on Sep 9, 2007 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really enjoyed ufc 75 and thought the marcus davis fight was amazing and the fight of the night, holy crap, talk about action. I thought the congo/cro cop fight was horrible, what the f**k is wrong with cro cop? The KO must of had a serious psychological affect on him. I was impressed with dan henderson, never saw him fight before, guy is tough and has skills but rampage got the best of him tonight even though I thought is was a very close fight. I was also VERY impressed with Matt Hamill and thought he dominated that fight, as I was watching it , I was saying Holy S**t over and over again with my surprise at his improved boxing. He looked so much better and bisping looked terrible, back peddling most of the fight and running away from him. I definitely don’t agree with the judges decision and think Hamill is a true gent, very humble and gracious in his bogus defeat. Bisping is a tool, got his a** kicked and gloated over it?#!!! f**ked up man.

by nathan on Sep 9, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“It’s amazing to me how smug the English can be. They are clearly not educated on the “sweet science” (to borrow a phrase from boxing – forgive me) of MMA. I can not believe the boos from the crowd during the main event."
A case of selective memory here I think – one thing that really irks me at UFC fights is the booing when a fight goes to the ground but it is far worse in the USA especially in Vegas, I have also seen the crowd boo within 30 seconds of the start of the fight because of lack of action! I remember Uriah Faber saying on TV that he went to a UFC fight (in the states) & the crowd booed every single fight, so I would not be so patronising with your comments & look closer to home. By the way I thought Hamill won as well but definitely Bisping won one round so it wasnt as much of a travesty as some would suggest, I have seen far worse. (By the way i’m not English)

How about an example of a far worse decision than this.

by Gord on Sep 9, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamill was absolutely the aggressor and he should have won that fight. Bisping RAN away for the majority of the fight!

Hamill and UFC fans were ROBBED!

by Jack on Sep 9, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cro Cop is done. He’s not even close to the fighter he was just a couple years back in Pride. Don’t think he can fight in the octagon.

by AaronW on Sep 9, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Screw Dana White, I’m done with the UFC. He is no better than Don King. If he doesn’t come out with a clear no BS apology to Matt Hammil TODAY, I will never watch another UFC fight. It was a disgrace. Joe Rogin is also a wimp. He knew what he saw and just smiled along with the decision. He has lost all credibility.

by Van on Sep 9, 2007 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow what a terrible decision. I don’t think UFC has anything to do with the judging do they? I thought the judges were third party. I hope somebody looks into that decision. I wonder if it was brought up at the post fight press conference. Anybody know?

Cro-Cop, wow, I was expecting so much from this guy coming into the UFC. In the Gonzaga fight he made a mistake, which was not training for elbows or in a cage, and he got beat down then knocked out. This time, there is no excuse, Kongo is the better fighter, well, at least a better kick boxer. I would not be surprised if CC retires now and doesn’t finish his contract. He won’t be getting a title shot anytime soon. Its hard to believe just a year ago he won the Pride OWGP tournament. Quite an accomplishment.

by ragnarr on Sep 9, 2007 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Last night was free – but I’ve spent my last dollar on PPV unless Dana demands an investigation into the judging.

Hamill won all three rounds and the decision needs to be reversed. The UFC is becoming like boxing.

The judges were probably afraid they wouldn’t get out of the arena alive.

No more UFC in the UK!!! No more freebies for Bisping!!!!

by Erhardt on Sep 9, 2007 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I HATE BISPING… FROM NOW ON HE IS MY WORST LIKED FIGHTER… TO SAY THAT CRAP AFTER THE FIGHT…. HAMILL CLEARLY WON.. THERE IS A CONSPIRACY GOING ON IN THE UFC AND I DONT LIKE IT .

by Ricky on Sep 9, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“im surprised by the decision, mike did a good job of fighting, michael bisping is the ultimate fighter, he beat me fair and square.
i give him alot of credit, but i thought i won that fight, but i know he was(/this) in his hometown and
it was a close fight and i give him alot of credit.”

those are the exact words of his post fight interview, he kind of contradicts himself when he says he thought he won AND mike beat him fair and square

You are freaking kidding… right? That was a humility statement. What is he going to do cry about it and argue?

by grembone on Sep 9, 2007 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a travesty for Hamill and UFC. If no one in UFC is going to call this bull shit Joe Rogan or Dana White had better. This is how fans are lost, when UFC comes to Cincinnati next month they better be ready to apologize to our fans.

by cincy fan on Sep 9, 2007 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess I am alone in thinking Bisping deserve the win. The first goes to Hamill and the third went to Bisping. The second was close but Hamill was tired, and he threw and landed less punches than Bisping. Hamill took him down a few times but he could do nothing on the ground. Although, Hamill stalked Bisping it was Bisping who actually initiated the action, and he landed more punches.

You’re not alone. You are in the company of the judges.

by Gord on Sep 9, 2007 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost feel bad for CroCrop after last night. Sorry all you Pride lovers, but I really truly feel that these “Pride guys” are all hype and cant live up to it in the cage.

Fedor is for real, but where is he? and what is with the comments that he wont fight Sylvia because its a bad match up. If he is truly a bad ass they why hand pick your fights based on style matchups. Seems to me that good ol’ Fedor is not all that sure of himselft either.

The most devastating striker (CC) in MMA is 1-2 in the UFC. And anyone out there that still thinks CC would kill Couture is a fool who probably scored the hamil/bisping fight.

by mayberry on Sep 9, 2007 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and ……where is MTU -(MoreThanUFC), I would love to hear what he has to say about CroCrap now!

Mania – please dont delete this post, as I would really like to hear what MTU has to say on his Pride boys, I know he hasnt been around for a long time but just incase he browsing the site once in while

by mayberry on Sep 9, 2007 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bisping was the better fighter he was more agressive in the last 2 rounds hamill threw like 5 punches and they all missed.So what that hamill got some take downs they were like accidental takedowns.you guys dont even know the rules of the octagon do ya? bisping threw 100 punches and hamill threw about 30.

You are kidding right. It was not till the 3rd round that Bisping effectivly sprawled…. UFC is scored as follows:

effective striking
effective grappling
takedowns
ring control
aggression
defense

If you think he won and effectively controled all of those scoring categories, maybe I, and 90% of the world must have had the wrong channel on last night.

by Monkey on Sep 9, 2007 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ITS FUNNY THAT THE ONLY TV CLIPS THAT THEY CAN SHOW WHEN SAYING BISPING WON ARE ONES OF HIM GETTING HIS ASS KICKED. VERY POOR JUDGEMENT, ALOT OF PISSED OFF FANS AND ALOT WILL BE LOST, AFTER THAT CALL I STOPPED WATCHING THE REST OF THE FIGHTS.

That is what I thought. WHen they did the recap… Joe:“Mike, what is happening here”… Mike:" Well this is a takedown I defended"… everything else would have been Mike:" this is me getting worked… and me getting worked again". I felt bad for the editing guys that were probably busting balls to find some decent footage of Mike actually doing anything.

I was completely taken back by the decision and these are the kind of things that destroyed boxing. You know to even make it worse Bisping was rubbing it in like he deserved it. Man I think I will cheer for him to get his ass beat from now on. Hell lets give him a match against Wandy… He is that good right? Freakin arrogant Punk.

by grembone on Sep 9, 2007 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“That’s a hometown call. I don’t see it. I don’t think most people who watched that fight think Bisping won.”

By Mike Chiappetta
NBCSports.com

by Toke on Sep 9, 2007 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok. Let’s review Takedowns are worth a 1/2 point, and running backwards are worth 2 points, I was under the impression, aggresion was part of what the judges were looking for. I have 20/20 vision and that apperantly 20/20 vision better than cecil peoples and jeff mullens, As far as Mr. Doug Crosby what a hell of a guy. That fight was an embarrassment to all UFC fans around the world. m.b.s smug attitude is the reason I wanted Matt to win, plus the fact Matt earned my respect in the Ultimate Fighter.

by WhatTheHuh on Sep 9, 2007 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

close fight between bisping and hamill but the judges were right with there pick i hate matt hamill he is so borin alls he does is try and take ppl down and lie on top of them for a few rounds until he get an undeserved shitty win he puts america 2 shame

wrestlin is the most borin type of mma ppl who wrestle with there oponents should get points deducted its that borin!!!

by ufcaddict on Sep 9, 2007 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was so fucking pist off when they said Bisping won. In my mind he only won one round. I can’t even believe the judges made that decision. Well now ill never know whos going to win a fight when it comes to decision cuz there to fucking retarded to actually get things right. Good job to Matt i can’t wait to see him fight again. And what the hell happened to Mirko i was expecting to see him kicking the shit out of Kongo. I’m so disapointed right now.

by Ashley on Sep 9, 2007 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we all know who won the fight,so please do the right thing and get the rematch on asap so we do not have to listen to that brit.

by oledenny on Sep 9, 2007 11:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe punches to the gloves were counted for points? I was telling my buddies that Hamil might get robbed even before the fight started. B.S. like this is why I stopped watching boxing.

the guy

This is exactly why I quit watching boxing too. Let some more of this shit happen and I’ll be looking for another contact sport to watch….again. Hamill did say he beat me fair and square. That’s because is a humble guy and on the judges card that was their decision and he accepts that. However we as fans can raise hell and put his name out there even more than it was because he came to bring it last night. Bisping fought not to lose.

by Steve on Sep 9, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is really a shame is that two of Dana’s class act put on a great fight, with the younger champ showing surprisingly strong ground work. Two great fighters in a historic unification bout, and the judges of a fight between non-top 10 LHW take away 85% of the attention.

by nvandy89 on Sep 9, 2007 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamill clearly won that fight. I couldnt believe how Bisping acted. Hamill didnt appear tired until about half way through the third round after he had been controlling Bisping on the ground for a while. He was totally robbed. It shows the importance of not taking UFC matches to a decision.

by ashley on Sep 9, 2007 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Imo, simple fact is that if you leave it in the hands of the ref you can’t complain. If Hamill starts making statements he should have gone in blazing in the last round and either KO Michael or get KO’d.

by UFCDrill on Sep 9, 2007 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How does everyone like my picks?

I had Rampage

I had Kongo

I had Hamil (I know Bisping won, but come on)

The only one I got wrong was Sakara

I told you all to watch the cro cop, and Bisping upset.

Rampage is on a whole new level. Now that he has out wrestled Lindland and Henderson, I think its safe to say that his wrestling is world class. His submission defense was top notch as always. I love the striking combo’s Rampage put together. He is much stronger, and precise striker. Rampage has an elite caliber Ground n pound game. He is one of the few fighters that try to beat on the opponents body’s when on the ground, he drops viscious punches and elbows to his opponent ribs (He has been doing that since Pride). Grappling was awesome. Rampage’s chin was strong as advertised as was Hendo’s. Rampage has taken his game to a whole new level, that few will be able ot compete again. I am curious to c how the new Rampage matches up with Shogun and wanderlei. I think he will destroy wanderlei, but Shogun still scares me (although in my mind its a lot closer than b4).

Cro cop is sooooooooo one dimensional. Dana has to b sick about cro cops performance (lots of money was invested in Mirko). $100 on Kongo won me $360.

Bispings performance was pathetic, he has to drop down to 185.
I predicted Hamil to win, luckily I didnt have the ballz to bet on Hamil. Lucky me, the Judges messed that dicision up but, I collected another $100 on that fight.

The only fight I lost was Sakara. I liked Alexander, but I didnt know enough about him to feel comfortable about laying money on him. Alexander is for real…. That guy has rampage type power in his uppercutts and knees. It’s gonna b curious to c who they match him up with next. If wanderlei gets a warm up fight, Alexander would b an awesome opponent (they match up great stylistically). A

Props to Juanito, he is becoming one of the best trainers in MMA. All 3 of his fighters won, Kongo, Bisping, and Rampage.

That event was great, Also props for showing us the 5 rd Rampage fight without commercials.

Even though Bisping was terrible.. props to him for his quote:
“I expect the same support for Rampage, that the crowd showed me, He is one of my boys”

I thought that was cool.

Nice fucking comment John.You saved me from doing all that typing.

by bigdiesel on Sep 9, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RAMPAGE AND RANDY WILL DOMINATE IN 08.

by bigdiesel on Sep 9, 2007 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping had no buisness opening his mouth after that defeat. No respect for Bisping whatsoever after he embarrassed himself

by Sarge on Sep 9, 2007 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.crocop.tk/

Crocop broke his rib in the first round

by Lucas on Sep 9, 2007 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

close fight between bisping and hamill but the judges were right with there pick i hate matt hamill he is so borin alls he does is try and take ppl down and lie on top of them for a few rounds until he get an undeserved shitty win he puts america 2 shame

wrestlin is the most borin type of mma ppl who wrestle with there oponents should get points deducted its that borin!!!

If you only prefer people getting knocked out, then watch kickboxing. MMA is about all around fighting.

by ragnarr on Sep 9, 2007 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t ready everyone’s comments but I’m glad Jesse and everyone else agrees…

Hamill won that fight in a decisive fashion. It’s the biggest BS.

That fight should be overturned, ASAP, and people should be FIRED, for even conceiving that reality.

Should we start a petition?

Yes, start the Petition.

by grembone on Sep 9, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.crocop.tk/

Crocop broke his rib in the first round

wow really?? that guy is a tough dude breakin your ribs leaves u in amazin pain!!

by ufcaddict on Sep 9, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just like the olympics, money can buy a lot including a non deserved vote. It’s truely disgusting and if is not adressed by the UFC many fans will be disappointed and if this type of judging continues fans will not stay on board.

I want to understand how the judges justify giving the win to Bisbing? Were they watching the same match the rest of us were? Did they realize Hamil dominated all three rounds! All Bisbing did was defend himself and try to hold his face together. It’s not until the last minute did Bisbing throw some real punches AND THIS WAS WORTH HIM WINNING THE WHOLE FIGHT ?—-BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the fight commentators if you listen carefully during the third round kept saying Hamil “WAS SECURING HIS WIN”!

THE FACTS:
HAMIL connected his punches, he was constantly on the attack, he took down Bisbing countless times during all three rounds AND ACTUALLY WON THE FIGHT!

BISBING was constantly on the defense, was taken down many times, was given chances by Hamil to get back on his feet, was totally dominated and got his face punched in!!! His own wife was shocked to hear the verdict!!! His own fans booed him in the end!!!!! And he still had the odacity with a punched in face to assert that the win belonged to him and that he deserved the UFC reality show win. WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOUR KIDDING!

DECISION: BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fyi: If you go to www.UFC.com & check out the post video interview you will clearly notice how bisbang is trying to justify his win?? he clearly knows in his
HEART that he should of LOST this fight ? @ 1 point he even says that he believed in the judges eyes that he was LOOSING THE FIGHT ?

by angelupo on Sep 9, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

Thats probably because he is a class act. He excepted the judges decision, he should have put up a fuss. The judges should lose thier jobs over that call ( complete idiots ). I think it is horrible that you give a match to a home town fighter, just because you don’t want to disappoint. Hamill clearly handled Bisping and should not have a blemish on his record because of poor judging. I used to be a Bisping fan but the way he acted disgraceful. I can’t wait to see his next fight hopefully someone knocks him out. Puffter. Don’t hang your head HAMILL, YOU ARE THE REAL ULTIMATE FIGHTER

by Raiden on Sep 9, 2007 12:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WAKE UP PEOPLE
.. You all jump onn the bandwagon.
IT WAS NOT FIXED.. just bad judges.. Cecil peoples is dumb as hell. He was a bad ref and now he is a bad judge… What About The other judge who gave it 30 – 27 for hamill.?? Bisping Clearly won the 3rd round. He could of took the 2nd round aswell. what did that judge see…

You guys act like bisping Sucks and Hamill is GOD.

IT WAS AVERY CLOSE FIGHT .. plain and simple.. Hamill won the 1st round , second round is up for grabs .. and the 3rd round goes to Bisping. SO IT COULD OF WENT EITHER WAY..

IT WAS NOT FIXED.

BOXING might of had a few fights fixed BECAUSE there were MILLIONS of dollars on bets , Millions for the winner and his entourge and lots of money in fighting endoresments..

UFC DOESENT SEE THIS CASH FOR THE FIGHTERS..

UFC WOULDNT LOSE MONEY if they had Hamill win.

by Sour Diesel on Sep 9, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you only prefer people getting knocked out, then watch kickboxing. MMA is about all around fighting.

i’m not sayin that i like the jujitsu i think its brilliant but wrestling is so borin especially when a wrestler doesnt have any other skill like matt hamill

by ufcaddict on Sep 9, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ufcaddict did you watch the fight? Hamill beat him in the STAND UP game also.

by Van on Sep 9, 2007 12:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to say as a Brit that I think the O2 Arena won the fight for Bisping. Their would have been a lynching had the decision not been given to Bisping.

So is this how the fights should be judged then? Just give it to the home-town boy. Give me a break. Hamill kicked his ass!

by Funny on Sep 9, 2007 12:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BISBING LOST.

I USED TO LIKE HIM A LOT UNTIL HIS BEHAVIOR AFTER THE FIGHT.

HAMMIL WON . . . EASILY! 30 27

RETARDED UFC? YES.

WHY WOULD THEY TRY TO RUIN THE SPORT JUST BECAUSE ONE GUY IS MROE MARKETABLE. THAT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE.

WHAT HAPPENED TO HONOR AND RESPECT?

what??? :S

the guy was just happy that he won it was a close decision and when the anouncer builds it up like that u cant wait 2 see who won, its like your 1 number from winnin the lottery and your waitin for that last number 2 come out

by ufcaddict on Sep 9, 2007 12:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I second the motion to start a petition! Me and my friends were floored when it was announced that Bisping was the winner..!! The decision was definitely rigged..!!! Is there any way it can be reversed, after a review?

by asterix on Sep 9, 2007 12:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamil won that fight and he got robbed by the judges…..Britain should be ashamed of having Bisping in their country. No F&# class at all.

As to the British fans…….for 20,000…..pretty sad and I will assure you that when the UFC comes to Canada you will hear deafening chants of “GSP” during his match.

by Jo on Sep 9, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m glad I didn’t pay to watch that UFC fight. most of the fights were great but all I remember is that shitty hometown decision for Bisping. What a joke it ranks right up there with the Griffin, Ortiz farce. Shit like that will keep me from buying anymore UFC pay per views

by yeigermeister on Sep 9, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just contacted the UFC on their site and told them I had been a fan since 1995 and I had bought tickets to UFC 77 and I would no longer be a fan or watch their product if a rematch wasn’t given to Hammil somehere in New York.

You can do the same thing;

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=misc.contact

by Allen S on Sep 9, 2007 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mania

I watched the 3rd round in slow motion. The striking in that round definately goes to Bisping. But how do judges score take downs? Hamil had two in the 3rd. They say the points are based on striking grappling and octagon control. Hamil had control of the octagon all night.

The UFC needs to have former fighters as its judges. Aren’t the ones they’re using boxing judges? So they’ll always give points to a striker more than a grappler.

As far as the night goes, the UFC won big time. The middleweight division is on life support and is about to get a much needed injection of life. Henderson and Bisping should both move down now.

by getrawbc on Sep 9, 2007 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, start the Petition.

Absolutely!!! I never thought I’d say this about UFC but the fix is in. Bisbing was handed a gift in front of his home crowd. Hamill won every round!

by Dan on Sep 9, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i’m not sayin that i like the jujitsu i think its brilliant but wrestling is so borin especially when a wrestler doesnt have any other skill like matt hamill

So you thought Henderson/Rampage was boring when it went to the ground??

by ragnarr on Sep 9, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hamill decision was one of the worst I’ve ever seen in the UFC. Judges making fixed decisions for home town heroes is something I would expect from a Don King boxing event. Dana White has some explaining to do!

I so F’n agree ..Matt was robbed..No way Bisping won that fight..he knows it..the was all politics.

Now on Rampage..for all the page Haters..I love to do this, I TOLD YOU SO!!

by PhilQNY on Sep 9, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn that title fight was awesome. You really couldn’t ask for better. back and forth the whole way. Jackson’s striking looks great!

I can’t believe how much hamill’s striking improved, too. That decision had to be fixed. No way did Bisping even come close to even getting a split. Every true fan saw Bisping get exposed as a hack (even his fans should be wondering what’s up with that decision).

by Fidel Cashflow on Sep 9, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow I can’t believe how bad matt was robbed. Complete bullshit! Matt won the stand up game the first 2 rounds and took mb down the entire fight mb never even went for a take down that i remember matt was even the one pressing the action mb just kept backing up. The only thing mb won was the crowd but of course look where they were fighting. And I don’t care what matt said about bisping winning after the fight. There’s no way bisping won. He sucks!

by BigD on Sep 9, 2007 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering when this was going to turn into a Dana “King” Production. I cannot believe the crowd in England did not “BOO” the decision against Matt Hamill. Well maybe they don’t know what MMA fighting is all about. All I can say is Dana King better keep giving this bullshit away on Spike, because he has some reparations to make.

by Playitaboy on Sep 9, 2007 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UFC 75 the 3 big ones were very dissapointing for me. And on top of that they give Bull5hit bisbing the win. I dont care what anyone say hamill won that fight. It shouldnt have been a spilt decison. What it was is the more popular fighter won because hes a homecountry favorite. At least one judge was watching the fight. JUDGES SCORES: 30/27 hamill 29/28bisbing and 29/28 bisbing. It make me very mad and dana white should give matt a rematch on neutral ground. Bis got the bing knocked out of him. But yet still won the fight

by frankthetank on Sep 9, 2007 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t ready everyone’s comments but I’m glad Jesse and everyone else agrees…
Hamill won that fight in a decisive fashion. It’s the biggest BS.
That fight should be overturned, ASAP, and people should be FIRED, for even conceiving that reality.
Should we start a petition?
Yes, start the Petition.

ill sign it.

by frankthetank on Sep 9, 2007 12:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=misc.contact

There is the link to how to contact media relations for the UFC.

Let them know what you thought about the Bisping Hamill decision.

by DoSomethingAboutIt on Sep 9, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I turned to my buddy and said there’s absolutely no way the UFC will let their British poster boy lose. Too bad for Hamill…

by rbk on Sep 9, 2007 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For the Michael Bisping/Matt Hamill fight, were the judges rented from Don King or are they here to stay. If they are here to stay, I’ll go back to boxing. Horrible decision. And as for Joe Rogan, you are either clueless when it comes to calling a match, and or gutless when it comes to interviews-I’ll give you a hint- Michael Bisping/Matt Hamill!

by Juan on Sep 9, 2007 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just rewatched Bisping v. Hamill, there is no way Bisping won the second round. He only landed like 4 clean shots the entire round. Hamill landed at least 10 and had two takedowns. To Bispings credit, he was able to stand up out of one of them right away, but Hamill landed some dirty boxing shots as he got up. I guess you automatically win a round if you try Eddie Bravo’s rubber guard in a fight. Ridiculous.

by Rex on Sep 9, 2007 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good for you, Jesse. I commend you for openly publishing what EVERYBODY knows: that Bisping’s decision win was the single worst travesty of judging that this sport, and possibly any other, has ever seen. I gained respect for Hamil last night and lost it for Bisping and the UFC. MMA message boards all over the internet are on fire like I’ve never seen before demanding an explanation to this shameful result. The UFC is lucky that they don’t have message boards on their site or their server would be clogged with unhappy customers. I consider myself a fairly huge UFC fan, but if there isn’t an official inquest, an immediate rematch, or some comment conveying utter disgust made by Dana White I will lose so much respect for the promotion that it will almost certainly result in me buying fewer of the PPVs. Let’s keep the pressure on them Jesse, we’re all counting on you.

by BC_UFC_FAN on Sep 9, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Enough about the Bisping scandal.

Houston Alexander convinced me last night. The Jardine fight wasn’t just a fluke. Dude is a Mack truck. He reminds me of Rampage from years back when Rampage would just run through guys ungracefully. You can bum rush the competition like that on the way up but as he works his way up the food chain he’s going to need more. Maybe he has more in his toolbox but just hasn’t gotten far enough into a fight to need it. I’m curious who his next opponent will be because now the UFC should put him in protected status and groom him for the title shot. He’s like 36 though so we’re not looking at a dynasty here. I don’t know who they can feed him next- maybe Bonnar? Or give him winner of Tito-Rashad… not the loser.

See how he just pushed Sakara off of him like nothing, Yes i want to see Alexander fight Tito of Bonner next, im impressed with him as well.

by jsoph on Sep 9, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great summary, Jesse. I always drop by to check out your columns, because you almost always see the fights the way I do, and you express yourself so entertainingly.

“A few years ago Jackson had run-ins with Wanderlei Silva, Mauricio Rua and Jesus Christ.”

Wow. I’d like to see Rampage vs. Christ. I suspect Christ would just get beat down in the first round only to rise again in the third. Christ by armbar.

by Saint Gasoline on Sep 9, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, start the Petition.

I dont like Hammil but i will sign, he won fair and square everyone should sign

by jsoph on Sep 9, 2007 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

After pondering about the bisping / Hamill fight and the obvious rip off of the judges, I have come to some conclusions. The UFC got the judges, one of them is a regular for the UFC. It wasn’t the fault of the English. Many of them booed after the decision also. I have come to the conclusion that the fight is all about money. Piss everyone off about Hamill getting screwed, then Dana White can say that he got ripped off and have a Revenge fight between the two again. Money talks, bullshit walks. WE HAVE BEEN HAD. I have watched every fight in the UFC from the Gracies to now and I refuse to pay another dime to this type of media hype. The only problem Dana had was that Hamill beat bisping handily. It was too obvious. Sorry Dana we are on to you and your crooked judges and schemes. From now on I will watch WEC and IFC. You are not the only fish in the sea Dana. FORMER UFC FIGHT FAN

by Really Pissed on Sep 9, 2007 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One more thing. These idiots who are saying that bisping won the fight are showing one thing, “They dont know anything about MMA”. Then again Dana may have hired them to “try” to take his case. Either way they are either idiots, blind, or paid. NUFF SAID

by Really Pissed on Sep 9, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i was not impress with rampage. He was so sloppy with his punches

by Kris on Sep 9, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The fixing was so blatant that it made me really sad. I had always defended MMA as a sport and made fun of wrestling because it was fake. What happened really forever taints my virew of the sport. Whenever someone who is an MMA hater says “oh the fights are fixed” I can no longer defend it as much.

by Ray on Sep 9, 2007 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

USA CALLING UK SMUG LMAO!!!

This is typical, when boo’s occured on American soil no one brought nationality into the equation, since it happened in the UK, it must mean a whole nation are not educated about “the sweet science” as someone put it. Before this event even happened I said I hope the audience show all the fighters the respect they deserve. If 25% of the arena boo it sounds like everyone in the audience due to the shape of many arena’s being designed to transmit sound well!

I can only except that “smug” arguement from someone who is Japanesse or Brazilian because as an audience they are the most respectful and appreciative of the ground game.
I remember when Rich Franklin had to take the mic and tell the crowd not to boo Anderson Silva and to have respect for him (this was as he entered the ring as the middle weight champion of the UFC after defeating Franklin). Rampage during an interview said how he mentally blocks out the boo’s on the way to the octagon before a fight. Both these and many, many more all have happened on American soil.

In fact someone post the number of the UFC event where no boo’s have been heard in the past 3 years! Good luck :)

by Holdin Ropes on Sep 9, 2007 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I had a quick little point I wanted to bring up, and I read some other comments that touched on it as well, but did anybody notice the look on Bispings face after the fight? He looked like he knew he had lost, and he looked like he was about to cry. Then… it quickly cuts to commercial. My point is this… most of the time, a fighter will act like he won the fight when he knowingly lost. Not often do you seea fighter look defeated and sad when they “knew they were the winner.” How does everybody else feel about this?

by FightFan51 on Sep 9, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BISPING’s WIN

As for Bisping I didn’t get to see that fight, but to make him pay put him against an animal, someone known for finishing people in the most brutal way, like “The Axe Murderer”, “Shogun” or “Babalu”. In other words hand him his first loss. Personally he has always seemed a bit scrappy to me.

Can you imagine Bisping against Wanderlei, they would have to have a blood transfusion kit on stanby for Bisping. When it comes to fighting I don’t care about nationality or who is the hometown hero.

I think Rich Franklin is fighting Silva in his [Franklin’s] home town lets hope that doens’t go to decision and if it does it is unbiased!

by Holdin Ropes on Sep 9, 2007 1:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

USA CALLING UK SMUG LMAO!!!

This is typical, when boo’s occured on American soil no one brought nationality into the equation, since it happened in the UK, it must mean a whole nation are not educated about “the sweet science” as someone put it. Before this event even happened I said I hope the audience show all the fighters the respect they deserve. If 25% of the arena boo it sounds like everyone in the audience due to the shape of many arena’s being designed to transmit sound well!

I can only except that “smug” arguement from someone who is Japanesse or Brazilian because as an audience they are the most respectful and appreciative of the ground game.
I remember when Rich Franklin had to take the mic and tell the crowd not to boo Anderson Silva and to have respect for him (this was as he entered the ring as the middle weight champion of the UFC after defeating Franklin). Rampage during an interview said how he mentally blocks out the boo’s on the way to the octagon before a fight. Both these and many, many more all have happened on American soil.

In fact someone post the number of the UFC event where no boo’s have been heard in the past 3 years! Good luck :)

Oh and by the way I’m not talkin to all the USA fans only the ones who are so new to watching the UFC that they don’t realise that ignorant booing is international.

by Holdin Ropes on Sep 9, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hamill v. Bisping decision was not a bad decision, it was a blatant FIX. Screw the UFC. I’ll never waste my time again. You might as well watch the Friday night smackdown.

by Gadlo on Sep 9, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i have been watching mma for about 2 years solid and i have never seen such a bad decision. It would have been a bad decision if hammil won by split decision instead of unanimious.(thats how clear cut it was) Dana white needs to come out and seriously save face. even though he probably was the one to make this happen

by freestyle on Sep 9, 2007 1:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C’mon, to say that people are gonna walk away from UFC because of one fight is just being ridiculous. Yeah, that decision was a joke (even if I think Hamill didn’t take advantage of some key opportunities), Bisping got beat.
   I really think this is going to be reviewed later on in one way or another. I have faith in Dana, who already hooks us up with a few free fights here and there. I could be too nice about this though….
   This could also be that I have been disappointed in every other sport that I have been interested in, so this is nothing new. But yes….this could curb my decision to buy every PPV available though….

by DanGray on Sep 9, 2007 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hAMILL FUCKING WON

by JAson on Sep 9, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We are all forgeting something here.. The UFC is a business NOT a complete sport, that is why alot of networks are hesitating to put on their shows.

One of its assets is the ultimate fighter and the show’s winner.. Bisping is an asset to the UFC, compared to Matt, he carries an entire demographic on his shoulder just like Roger Huerta. It’s bad business if he loses to a fighter who has never fought on a main card before and someone that would put the entire show in jeopardy.

Matt clearly won the fight, but the UFC is not an NFL/NBA/MLS/NHL/MLB.. IT’S A BUSINESS!!!!!, thats y the decision was awarded to Bisping.

by Anonymousf*ck on Sep 9, 2007 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s pretty obvious who won the fight. This I don’t think is a fix. Home town heavy crowd. I think that it may be a little premature to throw “fixed” out there. I think that as responsible fans, and loyal fans (to the fighters and the sport) we should give the UFC time to look into this, issue a statement. See where the org. stands before giving up on UFC/MMA. There has been serious talk of refining MMA scoring, maybe this is the kick needed, and if so a poor loss for Hamil, who I think has a good future, I think in the eyes of the org and the fans he still showed what they wanted to see. I don’t think in the long run this hurts Matt a lot. But could be the catalyst to fix the already broken scoring system. Maybe this is the silver lining to this terribly dark cloud.

by Hitman V7.0 on Sep 9, 2007 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering when this was going to turn into a Dana “King” Production. I cannot believe the crowd in England did not “BOO” the decision against Matt Hamill. Well maybe they don’t know what MMA fighting is all about. All I can say is Dana King better keep giving this bullshit away on Spike, because he has some reparations to make.

the majority of people in london did booed bisping at the post-fight interview.

by 123boogie on Sep 9, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost feel bad for CroCrop after last night. Sorry all you Pride lovers, but I really truly feel that these “Pride guys” are all hype and cant live up to it in the cage.

Fedor is for real, but where is he? and what is with the comments that he wont fight Sylvia because its a bad match up. If he is truly a bad ass they why hand pick your fights based on style matchups. Seems to me that good ol’ Fedor is not all that sure of himselft either.

The most devastating striker (CC) in MMA is 1-2 in the UFC. And anyone out there that still thinks CC would kill Couture is a fool who probably scored the hamil/bisping fight.

What about UFC’s unbeatable Chuck Liddell. He dominated the Ufc but got beaten by a Pride fighter who got beaten in Pride several times twice. I still think Pride was the better organisation with better fighter than in the Ufc

by Chris1982 on Sep 9, 2007 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not only am I English but also from the same county as Bisping. I am a massive fan – I mean massive. He lost and did a ridiculous celebration. Still a fan because he is a good guy on the whole.

I was there last night – tickets train hotel all paid for and I feel robbed. I am a lifelong boxing fan but fell out with t due to the politics and obscure decisions. I am now paranoid UFC is going that way.

Also do not turn this into US Vs UK argument – this travesty of justice is not about the fans its about the judges. BTW – were I was sat most people were annoyed with the result.

With regards to Hamill – big respect for your integrity. Thats one thing you yanks can be proud of – on the whole you tend to be more gracious.

by Don Kiddick on Sep 9, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I had a quick little point I wanted to bring up, and I read some other comments that touched on it as well, but did anybody notice the look on Bispings face after the fight? He looked like he knew he had lost, and he looked like he was about to cry. Then… it quickly cuts to commercial. My point is this… most of the time, a fighter will act like he won the fight when he knowingly lost. Not often do you seea fighter look defeated and sad when they “knew they were the winner.” How does everybody else feel about this?

I agree with you there. I did see that on bisping face, looking a bit defeated, then surprised at the decision, then happily taking it.

by 123boogie on Sep 9, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I also find it sad that this poor decision overshadowed a pretty big night for MMA, while I’m as sad as anyone to lose Pride. I like the old arguments of Pride vs. UFC, but last night was the beginning of the end of that. And this is all overshadowed because a great wrestler took out a good striker in front of 3 psycho judges. I looked forward to the Hendo/Page war for a long time. And I was very disappointed to see Hendo lose, but unfortunately knew Page had it in him. I love both fighters and hope to see Hendo fight on. But this amazing event was overshadowed by one poor decision. War MMA!

by Hitman V7.0 on Sep 9, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion, the decision could have went either way. When i was watching the fight last night, i thought Hamill got robbed, but then i just watched it about 5 mins ago and i could see how they scored it for bisping. Hamill won the first round no doubt, the 2nd could have went either way, and the 3rd was won by bisping. I am neither a fan of bisping or hamill, but i gained a lot of respect for Hamill and lost a lot for Bisping. Back to the fight, whenever Hamill took Bisping down he did nothing on the ground and inflicted no damage from the ground. Also, Bisping almost always immediately stood back up right after he was taken down. Bisping also tried to steal rounds at the end by throwing flurries which made all the rounds much closer. You cannot score simply based on takedowns, you have to score also on what hamill did on the ground to Bisping which was NOTHING. I can see both ends of the spectrum on how people are mad at the decision and how ppl agree with it. For all of those who watched the fight once, watch it again and you’ll see what I am talking about. Hamill didnt inflict enough damage from the top, and didnt pass guard. He also stopped being the aggressor in the stand up. You’ll see that the fight could have went either way. I have no respect for Bisping afeter the fight, but have I have become a Matt Hamill fan bc he came out to born in the usa at a london event. I wonder if his team picked it for him as a joke lol. Houston Alexander is the real deal, he looked impressive once again. Rampage is really maturing and becoming the face of the ufc and mma. Im disappointed with the whole situation with fedor, was he even in attendance mania? Cro Cop is finished, and Kongo fought very well also. Anybody else disappointed with hendo’s performance? Cuz i was expecting much more from him.

by RT on Sep 9, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So you thought Henderson/Rampage was boring when it went to the ground??

well…. yeh, i dont think any1 found it excitin when that went to the ground actually i thought that is wot stopped it from bein a classic

but at least rampage/henderson used sum ground ‘n’ pound unlike matt hamill who just lies on his opponents

by ufcaddict on Sep 9, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill
nuff said

“I also think i won the fight”-matt hamill

by HeadKnock on Sep 9, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well…. yeh, i dont think any1 found it excitin when that went to the ground actually i thought that is wot stopped it from bein a classic

but at least rampage/henderson used sum ground ‘n’ pound unlike matt hamill who just lies on his opponents

I’m a freestyle wrestler and while slow that fight showcased a great amount of style. I mean be fair, the wrestling here was world class. And that consistent threat of the kimura. Hendo showing his amazing skills using the leverage from that arm to prevent the pass, Using the kimura to get on top. World class!!! I think that Rampage stepped it up used some explosion out of the clinch. Hendo showed the patience of a true champ, and Page the maturity of a new fighter.

by Hitman V7.0 on Sep 9, 2007 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHAT A CORUPT decision

by NOT A HAMILL FAN on Sep 9, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On a general note, the MMA has made leaps and bounds to get to where they are today. After watching the Bisping and Hamill fight I knew they had alot more to grow. Bisping clearly got his ass kicked and him winning was a shock to his family and HIMSELF. The reaction was all surprise clear across the board. I agree with a few of you in the sense that it was an unbiased decision and that there was only one regular judge and the rest were locals, but it happens unfortunately here as well. I have been following MMA for years and its happened before and will again. To my surprise Dana sometimes steps up and calls a spade a spade and fixes whatever errors that were made and in this instance I hope he will again, either way in my families eyes, Matt Hamill is now 6-0. OFF that, Alexander is a formidable fighter but as its been proven before you need more than knockout power to make it in MMA. He has fought those that have meshed well with him stylistically (other bangers). WE will see if he is truly a force to be reckoned with when he faces some of the top fighters with well rounded game. As for Rampage, his game has greatly improved and won this last fight because of superior conditioning ONLY. Not all can stand against his power but Henderson was able to and does not have a laxadative attitude to training. I can see him coming back much like Couture and possibly retaining the title one last time.

by Reynaldo on Sep 9, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

matt got robbed plain and simple, we know it, he knows it even bisping knows it, you can tell by the look on his face when they announce his name….pre fight i picked bisping to win not knowing how improved matt was from his last fight, but after the fight it was clear matt won the fight, he took the first and second round 30-27 and 29-28, bisping didnt come in to the fight until the 3rd and really didnt do enough to win the fight at that point. And during his interview I lost all respect for bisping for gloating like he won decisively and saying matt should go back to wrestling. how are you going to say that to someone who cut you open in the first round and took your best shot with ease? come on bisping be a man admit the fight was fixed just so you would win at home, hell half the crowd boo’d bisping anyway…

by greg on Sep 9, 2007 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Um, actually that is a misquote nuff or at least an inconsistency. In the post-fight interview, Hamill was gracious yet shocked by the decision and said, “I thought I won this fight.” In this fight, the real winner may have been deaf, but the judges surely were blind.

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

by pounder on Sep 9, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt, you were robbed. My respect for you went up, my respect for Bisping is in the toilet.

You may not be ‘the ultimate fighter’, but there can be no doubt that you are an amazing athlete and fighter. Congrats on your fight, condolences for the bad decision.

M

by M on Sep 9, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We are all forgeting something here.. The UFC is a business NOT a complete sport, that is why alot of networks are hesitating to put on their shows.

One of its assets is the ultimate fighter and the show’s winner.. Bisping is an asset to the UFC, compared to Matt, he carries an entire demographic on his shoulder just like Roger Huerta. It’s bad business if he loses to a fighter who has never fought on a main card before and someone that would put the entire show in jeopardy.

Matt clearly won the fight, but the UFC is not an NFL/NBA/MLS/NHL/MLB.. IT’S A BUSINESS!!!!!, thats y the decision was awarded to Bisping.

Most sports are businesses. THe NBA, the NFL, etc. are also businesses. It’s bad business for a sporting enterprise to base a decision on who the audience would like to win as opposed to who actually won according to the system of rules and scoring.
PS If I were Bisping, I would be ashamed. It’s better to lose a match fairly and squarely than it is to “win” a match on account of bad officiating.

by Militia on Sep 9, 2007 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is for Ragnarr or anyone for that matter who shares his points of view…this site is for MMA fans who understand the complexities of utilizing all facets of fighting. Most of those who think the ground game is boring or ineffective clearly know nothing about MMA or fighting in general. Just so that its clear I am a Bujutsu/juijitsu predominately, but I still understand the importance of wrestling especially in the MMA world!

by Reynaldo on Sep 9, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am afraid UFC is becoming like boxing. I hope we can see a rematch between Hamill and Bisping, in Hamill’s hometown. Dana White, do something..

by johndoe on Sep 9, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, as soon as a two judges score the bout 29-28 for fighter A, and the other socres it 30-27 for…fighter B, you’re facing a serious coherence probleme there…

by SlyTheSly on Sep 9, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAA DDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAANNNNNAAAAAA
A comment from the UFC would be great about now

by Raiden on Sep 9, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I read quite a few postings on this site and the consensus seems to be that Bisping lost and was given the decision anyway. I would say I have to agree. I have noticed as the UFC gets more popular this is happening more and more. Someone has an agenda that does not subscribe to fairplay and honor. I wonder if Dana White will acknowledge this travesty. I think he will not. I once heard him say he became disillusioned with boxing because of the same type of unconscionable decisions. Well Dana lets see you step up for your life’s work and do something about this. I thought it was bad when Chris Lytle was robbed so the “Golden Prick” Matt Sera could get his title shot. Let’s face it that whole season was gearing up for Hughes vs. Sera. Lytle was an unfortunate obstacle to be circumvented. Dana is becoming another Don King. I am disappointed with his lack of honor. He knows what happened in both cases was not right, and nothing will be said. As long as his company keeps buying out the MMA competition we have no viable alternative to Ultimate Fighting Crock. Well enough venting, just one final plea. Dana do the right thing and when you see a wrong make it right. It is the code you should live by. Don’t be a PUSSY.

by Sean on Sep 9, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What about UFC’s unbeatable Chuck Liddell. He dominated the Ufc but got beaten by a Pride fighter who got beaten in Pride several times twice. I still think Pride was the better organisation with better fighter than in the Ufc

What about Dan Henderson? didn’t he knock out the guy who boot stomped the current 205lbs champ. And Liddell didn’t dominate, He had no competition in that division. Christ they had to resurrect Jeremy Horn for a title defense. How can anyone argue that either promotion had better fighters. It doesn’t matter what people have accomplished in this sport. When it comes time to deal with the present anything that has happened in the past doesn’t mean shit. Big Nog owned Hearring in Pride, his first step in the Octagon and his head was almost kicked off.

by Jordan on Sep 9, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Plan an simple Dana. Matt Hamill won the fight hands down. It appeared to me that Bisping was given a win. Bisping did not earn that victory. Bisping said, “I can get back in the ring next week and finish Hamill” during his post fight interview. Bisping told the reporter he would catch it from the fans. He did not win the fight the right way. I thought this kind of bullshit was not going to happen with you as president. You have let us down Dana. I have been a MMa fan since the late 90’s. I have watched every UFC card, and Pride card, I go to small shows where I live. This is not good for the sport. I ask that you right a wrong and let them fight again. I would have rather bought a pay-per-view event, and got a honest decision than see that bullshit free.

by curtis on Sep 9, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“I also think i won the fight”-matt hamill


 Matt won the fight step up Dana this isn’t right-Curtis

by curtis on Sep 9, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The decision by the judges had to be the biggest mistake ever made by the UFC. I want to make a little comparison. When BJ Penn fought GSP, the only points that GSP could score was the takedowns. At no point of the match was GSP in any sort of control although he landed a few body kicks and when he was in BJ’s full guard. I cant even count how many times Hammill took down Bisping. Do takedowns not count anymore? I would be to disappointed to even watch a rematch because the decision at UFC 75 should have declared Hamill the winner by unanimous decision. If Bisping was awarded the win, than BJ Penn should have got the decision against GSP. BJ did a lot more in that fight compared to Bisping did against Hamill.

by pUniSHment on Sep 9, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree! No way, no how did Bisping win any round. And the brass balls he has to even consider that he won. Even though I am a woman, I would really like to punch his lights out. I was a Bisping fan but no longer. And what’s up with those judges? Did Dana agree to take all of them to a local pub if they voted for Bisping? Even my husband now thinks the UFC is becoming more and more like those jokers on World Wrestling. We will continue watching Pride, Bodog & IFL to see if they are going to start rigging their matches. I was looking forward to the new UFC season with Matt Hughes & Matt Serra, but now have some reserves. Dana – wise up or you will lose all of your fans for the UFC!!

by Andrea on Sep 9, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That decision was disgusting…I was up for Bisping and had always up to now liked him but last night changed all of that.

Credit to Matt Hamill, vast improvement and I will cheer for him if they ever get a rematch which I suspect won’t happen.

Daylight robbery!

by RobH86 on Sep 9, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is for Ragnarr or anyone for that matter who shares his points of view…this site is for MMA fans who understand the complexities of utilizing all facets of fighting. Most of those who think the ground game is boring or ineffective clearly know nothing about MMA or fighting in general. Just so that its clear I am a Bujutsu/juijitsu predominately, but I still understand the importance of wrestling especially in the MMA world!

Not sure if your defending me or attacking me here, I enjoy all aspects of MMA, striking, grappling, clinch, submissions. It was UFCaddict that stated: “wrestlin is the most borin type of mma ppl who wrestle with there oponents should get points deducted its that borin!!!”

I responded: “If you only prefer people getting knocked out, then watch kickboxing. MMA is about all around fighting.”

Im on your side man!

by ragnarr on Sep 9, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am afraid UFC is becoming like boxing. I hope we can see a rematch between Hamill and Bisping, in Hamill’s hometown. Dana White, do something..

I totally agree. Bisbing got his butt handed to him by Matt Hamill. The sole reason he got the win by decision was because of the location of the fight-Bisbing’s home country. Boxing took on the mentality that, if it came to a decision, the judges gave the win the the fighting champion, or the fighter who had the stongest ties to the location in which the fight was being held. It is that mentality to cause boxing’s severe decline in popularity. Fans don’t want to see an undeserved win such as the one that occurred last night. If Dana White and the other UFC “powers that be” don’t step in now to prevent future occurrances of that garbage, the UFC will quickly find itself going the way of boxing, which would be very unfortunate given all the hard work that has taken place the last couple of years in an attempt to make this such a popular and respectable sport. However, money speaks the loudest,and as long as fans continue to watch the sport and buy the merchandise, I seriously doubt that Dana White or anyone else is going to do anything to correct this.

by Lisa67 on Sep 9, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m a freestyle wrestler and while slow that fight showcased a great amount of style. I mean be fair, the wrestling here was world class. And that consistent threat of the kimura. Hendo showing his amazing skills using the leverage from that arm to prevent the pass, Using the kimura to get on top. World class!!! I think that Rampage stepped it up used some explosion out of the clinch. Hendo showed the patience of a true champ, and Page the maturity of a new fighter.

yeh usin the kimora 2 get on top was good but that is jujitsu

by ufcaddict on Sep 9, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How about an example of a far worse decision than this.

Rampage Jackson getting the win over Murilo “ninja” Rua was a worst decision. Rampage even admitted it to Ninja after the fight.“you really won that fight”!

by john on Sep 9, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree, Bisping did not win any round, no way no how. What balls he has to even consider he won! Matt Hamill is soooo much better and would have whipped Bisping’s ass on the UFC TV series. And what’s with those judges? Did Dana promise them a night on the town if they closed their eyes during the match? Wake up Dana, or your will lose all of your viewers. Even my husband thinks that last night was rigged like those world wrestling jokers. But Matt Hamill is no joke – he did win in my eyes. I guess we are going to start watching more Pride, Bodog & IFL and leave UFC. I was really looking forward to the new UFC season with Matt Hughes & Matt Serra as coaches. Too bad Dana, you have lost an avid fan

by Andrea on Sep 9, 2007 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Y has everyone knocked the ground work in the Rampage fight. Rampage was brutalizing his ribs on the ground wit NASTY elbows.
That fight was a classic! 2 Superiorly conditioned fighters, who didnt fight tentitavely. Rampage kept comming even when he was way up on points. He has achieved “True Champion” status in my book.

He will dominate wandy, but could still have trouble with shogun.

by john on Sep 9, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We need to make sure, as fans, that danan white knows we will not stand for this fucking bullshit. anyone and everyone who can do something about it should. we don’t ever want to see michael bisbing in the ufc again, and those judges should be lynched.

by storhaug on Sep 9, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UFC may have gained a huge European following last night,but it was at the cost of losing a huge part of why the UFC is where it isin popularity today,….Fight fans!!! Not Ultimate Fighter fans, or Ed Herman fans, but GOOD fight fans. Fight fans have to not stand for this type of crap!!

     We don’t give a hoot about no skill, no talent fighters that dug up on the street like, Kendall Grove, Michael Bisping, Josh Haynes, Josh Koscheck…..blah,blah.. The list of shitty fighters inducted into the UFC gets bigger and bigger with each passing Ultimate Fighter season.. What?? Just because you can get your ass handed to you on national television..Is that the only prerequisite for being in the UFC…If so, I’m sure I can handle that..I’m a fight fan. I don’t give a rat’s ass about names, characters, backgroud story. I love the ART of WAR itself!! I’m not the only one either.

    They are making so much $ now off of people who just want to see " their " fighter.. That now the real fans, who don’t give a damn who’s in the cage as long as it’s a good fight, are surely getting and about to get shit on!!! With terrible fight matchups, and now fixed decisions too….Great!!!

     Here comes a newly formulated pro wrestling circuit. With showings like last night they might as well add a 3 ring circus and flying trapeeze act to the fight card…. Next all the fighters will be painting their faces and jumping off the top ropes!!!

     I wish I hadn’t watched any of the fights last night at all! A big part of the UFC died last night to me.. Think about how much money you’ve spent on the UFC. They obviously think we are all retards…if not they would’ve edited that " Bitch Boy Bisping " fight the hell off of my t.v.
   
     " UFC As real as it gets" huh?
           HHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
      " UFC now a serious joke in the world of sports"
             Much more like it
                You bass terds make me nauseous……

by Sir digg-it!! on Sep 9, 2007 5:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Hammill was robbed at gun point, it’s all good though. If the gods can hear me, us, let Michael Bisping’s next opponent be Houston Alexander!!! so that his face can be disfigured and his ass crushed!

by Lycan on Sep 9, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UFC may have gained a huge European following last night,but it was at the cost of losing a huge part of why the UFC is where it isin popularity today,….Fight fans!!! Not Ultimate Fighter fans, or Ed Herman fans, but GOOD fight fans. Fight fans have to not stand for this type of crap!!

We don’t give a hoot about no skill, no talent fighters that dug up on the street like, Kendall Grove, Michael Bisping, Josh Haynes, Josh Koscheck…..blah,blah.. The list of shitty fighters inducted into the UFC gets bigger and bigger with each passing Ultimate Fighter season.. What?? Just because you can get your ass handed to you on national television..Is that the only prerequisite for being in the UFC…If so, I’m sure I can handle that..I’m a fight fan. I don’t give a rat’s ass about names, characters, backgroud story. I love the ART of WAR itself!! I’m not the only one either.

They are making so much $ now off of people who just want to see " their " fighter.. That now the real fans, who don’t give a damn who’s in the cage as long as it’s a good fight, are surely getting and about to get shit on!!! With terrible fight matchups, and now fixed decisions too….Great!!!

Here comes a newly formulated pro wrestling circuit. With showings like last night they might as well add a 3 ring circus and flying trapeeze act to the fight card…. Next all the fighters will be painting their faces and jumping off the top ropes!!!

I wish I hadn’t watched any of the fights last night at all! A big part of the UFC died last night to me.. Think about how much money you’ve spent on the UFC. They obviously think we are all retards…if not they would’ve edited that " Bitch Boy Bisping " fight the hell off of my t.v.

" UFC As real as it gets" huh?
HHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
" UFC now a serious joke in the world of sports"
Much more like it
You bass terds make me nauseous……

well said

by gasmanshad on Sep 9, 2007 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We have decided to boycott UFC 76. Maybe more.

by Stacy on Sep 9, 2007 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldnt fucking believe it, the UFC gives the fight to Bisping just because theyre on his turf, what bullshit. The Mirko Kongo fight was gut wrenching, I thought Mirko would pull a trick out since he was pushing the pace and doing good in the first round but then Kongo did what I knew he needed to, put Mirko in the clinch and use his height advantage. And Rampage really surprised me at how good he really has become, I thought Dan would have pulled it out but Rampage is better than I thought. Speaking of improved game Marcus Davis looked very good, made a good recovery, had good ground and pound, then pulls off with an armbar that I didnt think he would get.

by Berserker on Sep 9, 2007 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am in total agreeance that the Hamill Bisping fight was a total farce. If they had fought in the UFC finale, Bisping still would have won the show. Matt has vastly improved his stand-up and he definitely caught Bisping by surprise. I Liked both fighters before the fight, but the count has showed us the true twat that he is with his post fight unprofessional comments. Especially with the “go back to wrestling comment”. The count is on a countdown for a bruising!!

by Harvey on Sep 9, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hamill vs. Bisbing decision was the WORST decision in UFC history!!!! The Hammer was robbed!!!!!!
   What’s next,Dana White and Vince McMahon merge forces to promote UFC 90-CHALLENGE OF CHAMPIONS
Main Event
Chuck Lidell vs. Hulk Hogan
under card matches
Tim Silva vs. Big Poppa Pump
Diego Sanches vs. Scotty 2 Hottie
Tito Ortis vs. The Rock
 
Something has to be done about that decision. UFC – As real as it gets??

by Seankush on Sep 9, 2007 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DANA WHITE YOU WERE COOL NOW YOU ARE A MONEY SCUMBAG !

by JOHN on Sep 9, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, talk about biggest blog I’ve seen here….
Hammil took it like a man, the ass F$%^ing he received from that judges that is. I think the judges were maybe worried about a riot if Bisping had lost…

by Luppers on Sep 9, 2007 6:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The fixing was so blatant that it made me really sad. I had always defended MMA as a sport and made fun of wrestling because it was fake. What happened really forever taints my virew of the sport. Whenever someone who is an MMA hater says “oh the fights are fixed” I can no longer defend it as much.

I can no longer defend UFC and I will no longer watch it. I have been a fan since the first. Have watched all the way through. Last night was a very sad night for the sport.

If I wanted to watch fixed sports, I would watch WWF.

The thing that gets me, is I think a Hamill/Bisping rematch would have been much better with Hamill winning the fight last nighton the judges score cards instead of just in the ring. Why would anyone watch a rematch? Now if they had given him his victory, a rematch would be awesome to see. Makes no sense.

I am done with UFC!

by Jen on Sep 9, 2007 6:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

John — shut up. Dana White didn’t judge the fight, so please get over that. He’s got nothing to do with it. Turn off your caps lock, too.

With that being said, this decision was most certainly BS. I’m really annoyed with those of you drones who say “Oh, well, don’t leave it to the judges! Finish fights!” as if it’s just that easy. Hamill attempted plenty of power punches that could have ended the fight — Bisping threw nothing of consequence. Anything he did throw might have hurt Hamill’s forearms a bit, so maybe that’s where the decision comes from.

by Ben! on Sep 9, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am glad I dont have to waste my time explaining how that decision was BS since you all have explained it so very well. I think now that it is over and done with and my money was stolen from me just like Matt had his victory stolen, the only thing that will make me fell better is seeing Bisping get his ass kicked. I say we all do every thing in our power to get Houston Alexander vs Bisping. That will make me feel better, much much better. Alexander vs Bisping oh yeah!!!!!!

by Jason on Sep 9, 2007 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree, Bisping did not win any round, no way no how. What balls he has to even consider he won! Matt Hamill is soooo much better and would have whipped Bisping’s ass on the UFC TV series. And what’s with those judges? Did Dana promise them a night on the town if they closed their eyes during the match? Wake up Dana, or your will lose all of your viewers. Even my husband thinks that last night was rigged like those world wrestling jokers. But Matt Hamill is no joke – he did win in my eyes. I guess we are going to start watching more Pride, Bodog & IFL and leave UFC. I was really looking forward to the new UFC season with Matt Hughes & Matt Serra as coaches. Too bad Dana, you have lost an avid fan

lol bisping did win one round and that was 3rd round he out striked matt

by Kris on Sep 9, 2007 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow some people here really need to check themselves. How much do you think Micheal Bisbing is worth to the UFC?? He probably made as much as Grove did at UFC 74. If the fix was in then why didn’t Mirko win his decision either???? Mirko has Worldwide status and you would think given your shady opinions that it would be in the UFC’s best interests to have Mirko fight Randy for the HW title, they would certainly make a hell of a lot more money having Mirko vs Couture as a main event than Micheal Bisbing vs whoever. All you haters need to relax, you act like you’ve never witnessed a shitty call in any professional sport. Get over it and comeback to planet earth. What you people are suggesting is pure B.S!!! No wonder MTUFC doesn’t comment here.

by Jordan on Sep 9, 2007 6:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

who the hell hired these judges? that must be the biggest upset win by decision in the ufc and i was in disbelief. bisping hardly hurt hammil and kept getting ground and pounded and walking back away from him. he didn’t even throw hammil to the ground once, just because he’s fighting in his hometown, i guess the european judges are jealous and don’t look like a loser. i do like bisping but until after the bout he start displaying himself like he really beat hammil and acting like he’s a winner. after the fight and before the decision, you can see bisping feelings like he didn’t win until decision he was suprised that he won. why was he suprised? because he knew he lost the fight. he disgust me how the way he displayed himself after the fight. if they fight in america, hammil would’ve won and the judges would be more fair. i’d like to see a rematch but this time, in america. i’d also like to see houston alexander knock his punk ass out, that would be a great match up.

by GORELORD on Sep 9, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ufc read this shit matt was robbed dana look at this matt won bisping only won because he was fighting in his hometown the was a home town call bisping is overrated if he fight huston he will get ko matt beat him at stand up in took him down evey time matt/bisping fight was the darkess day in ufc history fuck bisping you guy`s known matt hamill won point blank that all i got ot say i`m doneeeeeeee

by ronnie on Sep 9, 2007 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was the worst decision I have seen!!! How do you have one judge score the fight 30-27 for Hamill and the other two judges score it 29-28 for Bisping. Were they at the same fight?? Hamill clearly won that fight!

by Johnnie on Sep 9, 2007 7:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thst decision was bullshit and if is the way shit is going to be in the ufc now im not watching anymore. as for the main event, did anyone else think dan didn’t semm himself?? i don’t know, i just thought he seemed a little half assed after the first. i wasn’t impressed by rampage at all. i still think he has quite a few holes in his game and i think there are more than a few LHW that could possibly take his belt.

by sooper822 on Sep 9, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am very angry with the judges decision giving Bisping the win. I mean, what fight were they watching? Where do you see Bisping winning this fight. I think Hammil got robbed. I think they should do this fight over with competent Judges

by Donner on Sep 9, 2007 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping clearly lost that was bullshit. Hats off to Hamill. He controlled the pace of the fight and answered every weak combination that Bisping landed with a takedown.

by chris on Sep 9, 2007 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh my God, there are over 250 posts on this thread mostly about Hamill-Bisping. Bisping can’t do anything about the corrupt decision but the way he handled it was totally botched. That part he screwed up. This is what Bisping should have said after the fight, looking contrite and almost bewildered.

Bisping: It wuz a toff faight. Matt railly shokked me with hees improved stand oup. Railly I thought the decision cuuwed have gone either weey. Hees a grayt faighter Matt- hits like a fowkin hammer alraight- and I hava tonne of respect for him. An maybee we have at it again over in Americar!

That would have made all the difference instead of jumping around and giggling.

by Mamas Boy on Sep 9, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Those judges value their lives more than getting a decision correct on a meaningless fight. Do any of you remember the English fans reaction when Marvelous Marvin won the middleweight boxing title from England’s champion Alan Minter? They threw beer bottles at the ring. Hagler went into a fetal position in the middle of the ring and his corner men laid on top to protect him. It was madness. Check out the video on Youtube if you didn’t see it. Bisping lost a lot of fans that aren’t English with his post fight comments. Hamill just needs to round out his ground game and he will be a force at 205. Bisping needs to go down in weight because he can’t compete at 205 with the best.

by MrFye on Sep 9, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow some people here really need to check themselves. How much do you think Micheal Bisbing is worth to the UFC?? He probably made as much as Grove did at UFC 74. If the fix was in then why didn’t Mirko win his decision either???? Mirko has Worldwide status and you would think given your shady opinions that it would be in the UFC’s best interests to have Mirko fight Randy for the HW title, they would certainly make a hell of a lot more money having Mirko vs Couture as a main event than Micheal Bisbing vs whoever. All you haters need to relax, you act like you’ve never witnessed a shitty call in any professional sport.

Get over it and comeback to planet earth. What you people are suggesting is pure B.S!!! No wonder MTUFC doesn’t comment here.

So after Gonzaga KTFO’d Crocop, you think Herb Dean should have raised Mirko’s hand after he untangled his screwed up leg?

by Mamas Boy on Sep 9, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In other news, I’m officially a believer in Rampage and Houston Alexander… and damn, Kongo is coming on strong too.

by Mamas Boy on Sep 9, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Give Kongo another year of maintaining his current striking ability and building on his newly found wrestling and jujitsu skills. He can be champ easily. I’d like to see Kongo versus Arlovski sometime.

by Mamas Boy on Sep 9, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if bisping won the fight, than bj should have gsp. bj did a lot more in that fight to win.

by pUniSHment on Sep 9, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if bisping won the fight, than bj should have beat gsp. bj did a lot more in that fight to win.

by pUniSHment on Sep 9, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was the worst decision I have seen!!! How do you have one judge score the fight 30-27 for Hamill and the other two judges score it 29-28 for Bisping. Were they at the same fight?? Hamill clearly won that fight!

What’s even crazier is the main event was a much more difficult fight to judge. It was a flippin’ unanimous decision!!!!
WHAT!!!!!
The Bisping Hamill fight was sooooooooooo much more an easily noticable unanimous call….

by Sir digg-it!! on Sep 9, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bisping-Hamil fight was beyond belief. How the heck can someone who being thrown around the octagon like a rag-doll win the fight. Dana White better schedule a rematch because not only were the fans robbed but Hamil should very well be 6-0. He didn’t suffer any damage at all. Bisping got two black eyes from the ordeal. I always liked Hamil but Bisping is a very rude and a moron, dancing around like he just knocked a guy out for the belt. Please. Hamil mostly likely did it to himself when he came out in the very beginning with the song, Born in the USA. I haven’t seen three judges that blind ever. This the same reason I stopped watching boxing.

by Randy on Sep 9, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DANA WHITE

YOU WERE COOL NOW YOU ARE A MONEY SCUMBAG !

 Come on man, let’s let the storey evolve.

First an investigation, then a conclusion, then punishment. We can’t assume Dana knew anything about this. First of all it doesn’t make sense, look at the anger among these 200 posts, it’s not in the UFCs interest to lose credability over a 2nd rate fighter.

It’s clear that this fight wasn’t judged right, but that’s about as far as I think it is rationale to conclude at this time.

by PT Benson on Sep 9, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What really is really aggravating is that Dana White is MIA. Where is he to lend a comment to calm this storm? He is quick to throw a fighter out on TUF for breaking the rules or humiliating them for not making their weight. Dana, brush the cash off of your stones and come out of hiding. You don’t accept man-children as fighters so we should not accept your absence in the middle of this debacle.

All those interested – sign the petition floating around one of these blogs. Over 1200 signatures as of 30 minutes ago.

Peace

by Taped Up Pair on Sep 9, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well I have spent most of the day browsing forums and websites and I’m sad to report that they all have the same tone. Matt Hamill had no chance of winning last night. Thousands of people venting that they have questions about what went down last night and the UFC websites answer is totally avoiding the issue with a propaganda like description of the match and it’s result.

I do hope this issue continues to be explored and from the passion displayed in a lot of the posts i can’t see it ending here in the form of venting. I as a consumer believe that the product sold by the UFC is being sold as legitimate(thus the allowance for placing bets). I myself had no money on the fight last night but I’m sure many people did. I’m not sure which gaming/fight commision would oversee the events but there must be one out there (if anyone knows the info please let me know :) I will let everyone know if i find out a way to formally request an investigation into the matter. It’s not enough for me to just stop watching because i feel that the fighters who spend their lives training to fight deserve to compete in a fair environment and any poptential corruption should be exposed. Power to the people!

by kris on Sep 9, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What an absolute sham of a decision….

by V on Sep 9, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Investigation? wow what is there for the UFC to comment? Dana has commented on Cecil Peoples in the past regarding his officiating, or the respected states’ sporting commission. The whole conspirousy issues is totally retarded. No I’m not being Naive!!! The UFC has nothing to gain by fixing that fight. Britain fans are no mystery to MMA. Just like any other MMA fan they want to see good fights. (Most booed over the decision) Sure a local fighter helps promote the attraction but they’re is soo many other fights that they could’ve “influenced” that would have worked out alot more in their favor. Do yourselves a favor…drop the whole revolution B.S and accept that the fight’s decision was human error. People make mistakes whether they’re officials or fighters. You all seem to accept when a fighter makes a mistake. A ruling body will never admit error, if they did it would question any other ruling and jeopardize their credibility. I’m sure the fans in Buffalo are still bent over a a field goal call at the superbowl, but guess what life goes on. Your arguments are sound but dealing with ultimatums are only going to leave a disapointing result. You all love this sport but face it, it’s governed by human beings, last time I checked we’re all capable of making mistakes.

by Jordan on Sep 9, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamill surprised me with his standup, I mean he gave The Count a beating! He took Bisping down a few times and let him get up.
In my opinion, Hamill won the first two rounds and should have kept Bisping on the ground during the third round.

by Robodad on Sep 9, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hamill decision was one of the worst I’ve ever seen in the UFC. Judges making fixed decisions for home town heroes is something I would expect from a Don King boxing event. Dana White has some explaining to do!

I agree wholeheartedly! I lost serious respect for the UFC.

by David H on Sep 9, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

 Power to the people!

Kris, what a great post! Never even thought about the legal hang ups and the injustice of placing a wager on fights that may be destined to a single outcome.

I agree that the fighters deserve a better environment for they risk it all when they step into the 8 sided circle. Moreover, they and their families sacrifice much during training.

Your comment about avoidance and the “propaganda like report of the fight” is right on the mark. Personally, I am still waiting for Dana to come out of hiding and make a statement about all of this. Everyone I ask thinks Hamill won and to think two out of three judges thinks different. What an injustice to Matt Hamill.

Peace

by Taped Up Pair on Sep 9, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping is a punk and did not deserve to win the fight with Matt Hamill. Matt was robbed and Bisping should come out and offer to give the decision to Hamill, the true winner of the fight. I used to like Bisping but the lack of class he showed after the fight was tasteless and totally moronic. He needs to get over himself. Tell him to watch the fight everyone else saw, and forfeit the decision back to Hamill. Now that would be classy! This was totally wrong and every fight fan knows it. It makes me sick to my stomach. And if That’s the way Dana White is going to play it then the UFC is doomed just like boxing. Good night.

by stick on Sep 9, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Investigation? wow what is there for the UFC to comment? Dana has commented on Cecil Peoples in the past regarding his officiating, or the respected states’ sporting commission. The whole conspirousy issues is totally retarded. No I’m not being Naive!!! The UFC has nothing to gain by fixing that fight. Britain fans are no mystery to MMA. Just like any other MMA fan they want to see good fights. (Most booed over the decision) Sure a local fighter helps promote the attraction but they’re is soo many other fights that they could’ve “influenced” that would have worked out alot more in their favor. Do yourselves a favor…drop the whole revolution B.S and accept that the fight’s decision was human error. People make mistakes whether they’re officials or fighters. You all seem to accept when a fighter makes a mistake. A ruling body will never admit error, if they did it would question any other ruling and jeopardize their credibility. I’m sure the fans in Buffalo are still bent over a a field goal call at the superbowl, but guess what life goes on. Your arguments are sound but dealing with ultimatums are only going to leave a disapointing result. You all love this sport but face it, it’s governed by human beings, last time I checked we’re all capable of making mistakes.

by Taped Up Pair on Sep 9, 2007 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So after Gonzaga KTFO’d Crocop, you think Herb Dean should have raised Mirko’s hand after he untangled his screwed up leg?

Are you serious, i was referring to last nights fight. The UFC has invested a lot of time and money in Cro Cop. Why throw Micheal Bisbing a bone?? Cage Rage was huge in the UK, and it wasn’t micheal bisbing that got it their. You’re obviously retarded. If they were protecting Bisbing he would’ve fought ross pointon again. Yeah the decision was bullshit get over it. Given that is your opinion let’s conspire that Matt Hughes lost intentionally to GSP so that he would have been a huge favorite against Serra only to lose….Hey I bet Dana White could’ve made a killing betting against GSP. You’re almost suggesting that the UFC should govern their own officials.

by Jordan on Sep 9, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What do these three have in common:

Boxing
UFC
Ice Dancing

All three have “suspect” judging….

by Beerhunter on Sep 9, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hamill clearly won the fight!! he was robbed. Bisping was running away the whole fight.. f@ck the judges.

DITTO AND F@CK THE UFC WHAT A BUNCH OF SHIT

by TD on Sep 10, 2007 12:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just signed the Bisping vs. Hamil Petition to Dana about the CRAP decision:

http://www.petitiononline.com/UFC75hb/petition.html

by Jack on Sep 10, 2007 12:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That fight enraged me. I personally didn’t have a favorite in that fight and would have been perfectly happy to see either fighter win, but the fact of the matter is a 29-28 decision for Hammels would have been absolute BS that was a clear 30-27 win there isn’t one round you can argue for Bisbing. I lost complete lack of respect for Bisbing after celebrating and not even acknowledging the fact at least that Hammels possibly should of gotten the decision. Hats of to Hamemels for the class he showed in defeat when he was blatently robbed, but this was an absolute travesty and I hope that it is either overturned or at least a public acknoledgement from Dana White about the emense error made on the part of the judges in that fight.

by GSP4prez on Sep 10, 2007 12:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

heh, Dana White is on that petition, yeah right.

by ragnarr on Sep 10, 2007 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hamill decision was one of the worst I’ve ever seen in the UFC. Judges making fixed decisions for home town heroes is something I would expect from a Don King boxing event. Dana White has some explaining to do!

I agree! Whoever gave even one round to Bisbing should be out a job. President White needs to right this wrong or risk losing UFC as a legit sport and not be seen as corrupt like boxing. Hamil showed a lot last night and he deserves more than just a win, he deserves to fight someone with real talent and not just a reality show winner.

by Bosmarc on Sep 10, 2007 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping lost without any doubt, how disapointing for a true fan.Had to be fixed don’t know if I will ever watch again ? Hamill showed a lot of CLASS.

by td on Sep 10, 2007 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dreadful decision

it was either 30-27 hamill
or 29-28 hamill

bisping may have just edged the third round but hamill clearly won the first 2

i used to like bisping … now i think he is a disgrace …to call himself the true tuf3 champ after that awful performance is a joke

iv watched the fight a couple of times and he didnt appear to even shake the hand of hammill… what a lack of class

i really hope he doesnt drop down a weight division so someone like chuck or rashad or forrest can ktfo

hes not a 205er
after that performance i think hed struggle at 185 as guys like rich franklin would own him

an andersson silva muay thai masterclass would teach him some respect and humility

by wolfslair on Sep 10, 2007 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Investigation? wow what is there for the UFC to comment? Dana has commented on Cecil Peoples in the past regarding his officiating, or the respected states’ sporting commission. The whole conspirousy issues is totally retarded. No I’m not being Naive!!! The UFC has nothing to gain by fixing that fight. Britain fans are no mystery to MMA. Just like any other MMA fan they want to see good fights. (Most booed over the decision) Sure a local fighter helps promote the attraction but they’re is soo many other fights that they could’ve “influenced” that would have worked out alot more in their favor. Do yourselves a favor…drop the whole revolution B.S and accept that the fight’s decision was human error. People make mistakes whether they’re officials or fighters. You all seem to accept when a fighter makes a mistake. A ruling body will never admit error, if they did it would question any other ruling and jeopardize their credibility. I’m sure the fans in Buffalo are still bent over a a field goal call at the superbowl, but guess what life goes on. Your arguments are sound but dealing with ultimatums are only going to leave a disapointing result. You all love this sport but face it, it’s governed by human beings, last time I checked we’re all capable of making mistakes.

But most people think this was no mistake. It was such a bad call that most believe there is more here than simple human error. For whatever the reason, I think a reasonable person can suspect “foul Play”.

by walt on Sep 10, 2007 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Help to overturn this outrageously poor decision! Sign this online petition (created by Sherdog):

http://www.petitiononline.com/UFC75hb/petition.html

by Petition The Decision on Sep 10, 2007 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

Dude, If you think Bisbing won that fight, you are just as blind or stupid as the 2 refs that “gave” him the fight.

by bigufcfan on Sep 10, 2007 2:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am English and was at the fight…an absolute disgrace is all I can say….I had Hamill win every round. I could not believe it and I for one booed the decision and so did some people round me… Felt sorry for Hamill and Bisping showed no class what so ever with the way he celebrated. I think it will actually hurt his career as he will have lost a lot of support stateside.

by Rob Marland on Sep 10, 2007 5:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was at the fight Saturday night and I am English. We may have all been cheering Bisping throughout the fight but certainly did not at the end. The fight clearly should have gone to Hamill regardless of what country he is from and Bisping should have showed more class. Bisping was booed when the decision was announced even by us home fans because we all knew he had lost.

by Kimberley on Sep 10, 2007 6:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just signed the Bisping vs. Hamil Petition to Dana about the CRAP decision:

http://www.petitiononline.com/UFC75hb/petition.html

Thanks for sending the link. What a shame! I can’t believe Bisping celebrated and didn’t even credit Hamil for beating his ass. If fights continue to go like this in the UFC, then it is no better than boxing. I was a huge fan, but it was very disapointing to see this decision. Dan should step up and do someting, but of course his pockets are full and he doesn’t give a shit about his fighters anyway.

by Hobo on Sep 10, 2007 6:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That Hamill decision was disgusting. Not only was it wrong for him to lose, but I can’t even imagine the fight going to a split decision! At least Hamill had enough class to be a sport about the whole thing. You can’t really say that for that punk Bisping.

by Skidrider on Sep 10, 2007 7:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn i watched the fight again, hamills face was messed up more than bispings, people plz watch the fight again on a high quality video or hi-def video, you might just change your mind about the outcome, just try to keep an open mind.

by dsi_chameleon on Sep 10, 2007 7:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BIGGEST RIPOFF EVER!! MATT DESTROYED BISPING!!
AND THAT MORON CELEBRATES AFTER LOOKING LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT..RUNNING AWAY LIKE A 3RD GRADER DISGUSTING..I WILL NEVER WATCH UFC AGAIN

I FELT THE SAME WAY AFTER I HEARD THE DECISION…I ALMOST THREW THE REMOTE AT THE TV. DANA BETTER SAY OR DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SHIT. I LOVE UFC…BUT THAT HAD TO BE A FIXED MATCH…I’M TRULY DISAPPOINTED. HOPEFULLY THIS IS NOT WE HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO IN FUTURE FIGHTS.

by ufcchick on Sep 10, 2007 7:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn i watched the fight again, hamills face was messed up more than bispings, people plz watch the fight again on a high quality video or hi-def video, you might just change your mind about the outcome, just try to keep an open mind.

What who paid you to say that, Bisping clearly lost every round and i think the ref were told to give Bisping the nod. I wonder what they would have done if Bisping was finished?

by jason bang on Sep 10, 2007 8:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kris, what a great post! Never even thought about the legal hang ups and the injustice of placing a wager on fights that may be destined to a single outcome.

I agree that the fighters deserve a better environment for they risk it all when they step into the 8 sided circle. Moreover, they and their families sacrifice much during training.

Your comment about avoidance and the “propaganda like report of the fight” is right on the mark. Personally, I am still waiting for Dana to come out of hiding and make a statement about all of this. Everyone I ask thinks Hamill won and to think two out of three judges thinks different. What an injustice to Matt Hamill.

Peace

Dana already made comments about Bisping vs. Hamill. He basically said that he felt Hamill won the fight, but there’s nothing he can do about it, except to make the rematch right away. Read the whole thing at this link:

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-bispinghamill090907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

by 123boogie on Sep 10, 2007 8:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn i watched the fight again, hamills face was messed up more than bispings, people plz watch the fight again on a high quality video or hi-def video, you might just change your mind about the outcome, just try to keep an open mind.

Just because you bleed more doesn’t mean you lose the fight…look at GSP vs Penn. Take downs count, aggression counts…Bisping had better cardio…he just kept running away…how can you win a fight when you run as much as he did..

by ontariofightfan on Sep 10, 2007 8:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“WE NEED AN ANSWER!!” I SAY DANA TAKES THE MIC AND APOLOGIZES CHANGE THE DECISION OR HAVE AN INSTANT REMATCH!!I hope dana explains….I SAY WE GET A PETITION GOING TO GET THE REMATCH FREE ON A “FIGHT/NIGHT.LIVE”…we as fans deserve an answer and compensation for the terrible decision made at UFC75…..THEY COULD FILL OUT THE CARD WITH THE HIGHLY ANTICIPATED REMATCH BETWEEN TITO ORTIZ AND RASHAD EVANS,,,AND MANNY GAMBURYAN VS NATE DIAZ TO CLEAR THEIR BUSINESS UP TOO. We deserve something big for that fuckup, i don’t want ufc to turn into boxing, im a long time fan and that made me sick to my stomach, i wanted Bisping to win, but not like that, it’s unfair to Matt Hammil. SPREAD THE WORD, MAKE IT HAPPEN, HOPE DANA HEARS FROM SOMEWHERE AND PUTS TOGETHER A FIGHT/NIGHT, FOR FREE….SPREAD THE WORD, im sure dana will hear somehow..but if we cant get the fightcard, we should definitly get an answer, that shit aint right, if it happens agian and we dont get answers im not following mma anymore….im sooooo pissed that happened!! CAN’T BELIEVE IT!

by HeadKnock on Sep 10, 2007 8:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“im surprised by the decision, mike did a good job of fighting, michael bisping is the ultimate fighter, he beat me fair and square.
i give him alot of credit, but i thought i won that fight, but i know he was(/this) in his hometown and
it was a close fight and i give him alot of credit.”

those are the exact words of his post fight interview, he kind of contradicts himself when he says he thought he won AND mike beat him fair and square

It’s called being gracious in defeat

by TD on Sep 10, 2007 8:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn i watched the fight again, hamills face was messed up more than bispings, people plz watch the fight again on a high quality video or hi-def video, you might just change your mind about the outcome, just try to keep an open mind.

Seriously? are you watching the same fight? It appears to me that Bisping looked more beated up than Hamill and bled more during the fight than Hamill as well. And I watched it on tape-delayed Hi-Def Sony 36 in TV. ’nuff said.

by 123boogie on Sep 10, 2007 8:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha, appears this Bisping thing is getting alot of attention. I was there on Saturday and as much as i like the guy, Bisping is overated. A more humble response to the supprise decision may have been more appropriate. In all honestly, don’t think either of these guys are as good as they think and don’t think this fight should have been promoted as much as it was.

by UK MMA on Sep 10, 2007 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing that gets me is the total lack of class that Bisping showed, “Go back to wrestling” he yells at Hamill. How low and classless is that after getting what he knew to be a gift decision? I watched it again and every time Bisping tried to get something going Hamill would pop that left in and Bisping would start running again. 29-28 at worst, but 30-27 would not have been out of line. I don’t want to say that fight was fixed or anything but good lord it was the worst decision I’ve ever seen. Those judges need to be fired.

Man I can’t wait to see Bisping get his face smashed in, but after last nights scare Dana will probably have him rematch Elvis. After giving the British market a hometown chump hero is more important that good honest fights…

by AaronW on Sep 10, 2007 8:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bisping vs Hamil decision was utter BS. And a rematch better be in the works. Dana White needs to put these kinds of decisions in check quickly!!

by transgeek on Sep 10, 2007 8:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I AM PISSED. Bisping got DESTROYED by a C-Level fighter, Matt Hammil in his own backyard.

Those judges were paid. I don’t care what anyone says. 30-27, WTF!!! The Hammer won rounds 1 and 2. Bisping won round 3. 29-28, Hammil. And even the British crowd knew it. The majority of the fans were booing Bisping during his interview. Even his British country mates knew he LOST that fight.

Bisping said he destroyed him and he “sent him back to wrestling.” Actually, you cocky Brit, I think Hammil just sent you out of Kickboxing. You call yourself a kickboxing champion, and got tooled in the standup game by Matt Hammil? Who’s been teaching Matt his standup, his curly haired sign language interpreter?? But anyways I am thoroughly PISSSED, and the UFC BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS INJUSTICE.

I am VERY surprised that Hammil was so gracious in defeat on the mic. He should have been pissed!!! I know he’ll be back on the internet today talking shit – and RIGHTFULLY SO!!!

Dana White BETTER say something about this TODAY!!!!!!!!!

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 9:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just because you bleed more doesn’t mean you lose the fight…look at GSP vs Penn. Take downs count, aggression counts…Bisping had better cardio…he just kept running away…how can you win a fight when you run as much as he did..

well i actually thought bj beat gsp, but that brings up the takedowns vs strikes argument, matt hamill landed basically nothing from top and in my opinion because bisping got up so quickly that basically negates matts takedowns. as well on the feet i think bisping (barely) won rounds two and three, even though he was retreating he landed more effective strikes.

NUFF SAID!

by dsi_chameleon on Sep 10, 2007 9:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill
nuff said

He only said that because he is a respectful person. He only talks his shit to pump up a fight, especially this one because Bisping was clearly JEALOUS of Hamill for the entire season. I was VERY suprised that Hamill spoke this way. If I were him, I would have went on a serious tirade. I would have have even accused the judges of being paid off, and say that the UFC MUST do something about this. I AM THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER!

Just look at the two fighters. Hamill looked like he just walked out of a photography studio for a family portrait, and Bisping was all beaten and bloody. Hamill was NEVER on his back once, took Bisping down at will, and completely owned the standup department with his hard, strong, sloppy punches.

Bisping is SOOOOOOOOOOO unimpressive now. He hold UFC wins over Josh Haynes who was like 45 lbs overwieght, Ravishing Red and Elvis Sinosic. He LOST to Hamill. Peace out Bisping. See you in MW where Silva, Franklin, and Henderson are ALL waiting to knock your cocky head off, and I can’t wait.

I like Bisping back during Season 3 of TUF. But since then, I have liked him less and less. After this weekend, I thoroughly hate him and can’t wait for his next fight.

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree- they were a pretty obnoxious crowd. It was worse than when the Americans were chanting “USA” during the Hughes/St.Pierre fight. So embarrassing.

What is wrong with Americans chanting “USA” during the Hughes/St.Pierre fight. Hughes is from USA, GSP is from Canada. So whats the difference if they chant “USA” or if they chant “Hughes”.

You’re comment REALLY makes no sense to me. Can you please explain?

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 9:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hamill decision was one of the worst I’ve ever seen in the UFC. Judges making fixed decisions for home town heroes is something I would expect from a Don King boxing event. Dana White has some explaining to do!

by STEVE FANT on Sep 10, 2007 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey mania, cecil peoples was the only one who scored the fight for hamill. It was that guy Watts that was blind

Actually, you are wong on that. Cecil Peoples was the third judges scores to be announced. Right then and there, I “KNEW” that Hamill was going to win. Cecil Peoples always seemed to be the judge that is always right on. But he really messed this up. The two judges that gave this fight to Bisping and the judge from last PPV that scored the Guida/Aurelio fight 30-27 for Aurelio NEED to be FIRED.

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matt Hammil won that fight. end of story. Bisping was spoon fed a victory undeservingly. On top of that..acted like idiot afterwards as if just Ko’D Matt..Matt on the other hand showed me something..A fighter humble in a defeat of corrupt decision against him. If you watch the fight 1000 times over the same result..Matt won..and Bisping got his hand raised.

by PhilQNY on Sep 10, 2007 9:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that guy took the words outta my mouth!!! Dana White should overrule the screwed up judges decision or else resign or better yet be fired!!! I know he hates Team Punishment, but Hamill was pretty damn good!! He just kept sweeping that punk Bisping’s skinny little weak legs! And the audacity, well, you know the story!! Since Bisping won, he should fight Houston, that guy would kill him. BTW, Bisping reminds me of Elvis Sinosec—-All blow know go!!!!

by STEVE FANT on Sep 10, 2007 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like someone told the judges they would be fed to the pigs if they didn’t give the fight to Bisping. Someone got rich on that one. Horrible.

by Natese7en on Sep 10, 2007 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BOXING might of had a few fights fixed BECAUSE there were MILLIONS of dollars on bets , Millions for the winner and his entourge and lots of money in fighting endoresments..
UFC DOESENT SEE THIS CASH FOR THE FIGHTERS..
UFC WOULDNT LOSE MONEY if they had Hamill win.

You are SERIOUSLY mistaken here. Michael Bisping is by far the main reason the UFC is on their current “British Invansion” They even have a UFC office over there. The UFC would have lost millions of dollars in future revenue if their British poster boy got beaten on his home soil by “the most one dimensional fighter in all of MMA”, as Bisping would say.

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana has already said that there is nothing he can do about the decision, however he is going to have an immediate rematch.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-bispinghamill090907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

by ragnarr on Sep 10, 2007 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope the Shogun vs Rampage Rematch Happens!

looks to the sky
Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls! Pls!

by Spawn on Sep 10, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As soon as the first judges score card was read, and they said "29-28, Bisping’ or was the first 30-27… RIGHT then and there, I KNEW that Hamill was getting ROBBED.

I was rooting for Hamill the whole time, and my wife has a crush on Bisping, so naturally she was rooting for him. She was laughing out loud at Hamill’s standup in the first round. But, even she knew that Bisping got his ass beat and should have lost the decision. If that fight was in the UFC, Bisping would have lost 29-28 UNANIMOUS decision.

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana has already said that there is nothing he can do about the decision, however he is going to have an immediate rematch.

LAME. A rematch is not needed. They need to award this fight to Hamill.

If there is a rematch, it should literally be held in the same neighborhood that Hamill lives in. Also, Bisping should have to have his ear drums pierced so he can’t hear instructions from his corner. Then let’s see how well he can do. Hamill had EVERYTHING stacked against him, and he still WON THE FIGHT.

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 9:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I knew that this thread would be all about Bisping/Hamill, but quickly onto the other matches.

Houston Alexander = WOW. I am happy he proved me wrong. He bucked Sakara right off when he was mounted. Now its time for him to fight a Top 10 guy – preferably someone with BJJ skills and at least decent standup. If Babalu wasn’t gone, I think that he would be the perfect next test for Houston before stepping into a possible #1 contender match against a Top 3 opponent. We gotta remember that although Houston is new to the UFC, he is 35/36 years old.

Marcus Davis = Heart and determination. That head kick and 15 or so direct hammer fists would have finished off 99.9% of fighters, but not Marcus. He had a beautiful transition from mount into the arm bar. I really enjoyed the way he talked us thru the submissions during his post fight interiview. He is really learning his BJJ!

CroCop = OVERHYPED. This dude is done. He came into the UFC thinking he was the man, and now he has lost to two B-C Level fighters in the UFC. He’s a joke, not a practical joke.

Henderson = Nice fight. Now go down to your natural 185 and own that division like we all know you can. If he beats Silva, there is NO ONE in that division that can come close to beating him.

PS. Who else LOVED it when Hamill came out to Springstein’s ‘Born in the USA’. I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

123BOOGIE Said:
“Dana already made comments about Bisping vs. Hamill. He basically said that he felt Hamill won the fight, but there’s nothing he can do about it, except to make the rematch right away. Read the whole thing at this link:

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-bispinghamill090907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns "

123,

I read the article that you posted – thanks! It does have some Dana white quotes but it states that he is absent at press conferences. Interestingly, the article goes on to state that the Judges, unlike in the states, are not sanctioned and that they were hired and paid by the UFC. It should be mentioned that the UFC has pushed for sanctioning for all fights but the business aspect was more important than the sanctioning piece. It seems that Dana will take the risk of having unsanctioned fights because the draw is so lucrative exceeding the Rolling Stones(ironic to me if you consider my screen name and previous posts.)

123, for me, I think the fight in the context of comprehensive scoring, using all the standards of MMA, was recognizably a Hammil victory. People can spin this all they want. Something was foul in London and that is the reality:

 “the UFC websites answer is totally avoiding the issue with a propaganda like description of the match and it’s result.”
(Kris – earlier post)

123, Dana can do much more than sit back and promote the 9/22/07 venue. His actions, to this point, indicate that making public appearances or posting clarifying comments on UFC.Com is not part of the plan. Money appears to be the King. It will be the actions of Mr. White, not words, that will convince me that nothing foul occurred in London. The only humor error is that they miscalculated the response of the fans.

Mr.White, I ask again, please brush the money off of your stones and make this right.

by Taped Up Pair on Sep 10, 2007 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FIGHT FANS LISTEN UP"" WE NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD THAT DANA SHOULD PUT A FIGHT/NIGHT.LIVE ON SPIKE,FREE….MATT HAMMIL VS BISPING, AND AT THE EVENT APOLIGIZE FOR THE TERRIBLE DECISION AT UFC 75.HE AS PRESIDENT SHOULD STEP UP AND ADMIT BISPINGS WIN WAS BULLSHIT!!WE DESERVE AND ANSWER!!i wanted bisping to win,but not like that..i can understand bisping taking cred after the fight, he was still reved-up and couldn’t think straight, hopfully he reviews the tape and steps up and say’s “hey, i did lose?”"..or something, PEOPLE SHOULD WAIT AND SEE WHAT HE SAYS BEFORE TALKING BAD ABOUT HIM,after all bisping wasn’t a judge….NONE THE LESS, HAMMIL WON THE FIGHT FAIR AND SQUARE!and he was robbed on decision..I DON’T WANT UFC TO END UP LIKE BOXING,,,DANA WHITE PLEASE ADMIT IT WAS WRONG, APOLIGIZE AND COMPENSATE THE FANS WITH A FREE FIGHT/NIGHT WITH A REMATCH TO SETTLE THINGS WITH SANCTIONED JUDGES… ALSO on the card should be MANNY GAMBURYAN VS NATE DIAZ….AND TITO ORTIZ VS RASHAD EVANS..to settle their business, WE DESERVE IT!..A BIG NIGHT LIKE THAT,AN APOLOGY, AND A PROMISE IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN.and i’ll forgive…SPREAD THE WORD MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! BISPING vs HAMMIL… ORTIZ vs EVANS… and DIAZ vs GAMBURYAN.. ufc owes us a free rematch and if not they better explain wtf happened at 75…im sooo pissed!!!

by HeadKnock on Sep 10, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana White
Zuffa, LLC
2960 West Sahara Avenue
Suite 100
Las Vegas, NV 89102
Tel: (702) 221-4780

If Mr. White wont go public maybe we can bring the public to him?

Peace

by Taped Up Pair on Sep 10, 2007 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My brother and I called the first 2 rounds to Hamill and the last one split…

And screw a rematch. In my mind, there is no need for a rematch. Rematches are for fights that are close. We need an unprecedented reversal of the decision.

by Jamie on Sep 10, 2007 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And screw a rematch. In my mind, there is no need for a rematch. Rematches are for fights that are close. We need an unprecedented reversal of the decision.

Right on Jamie – exactly what I had said!!!!!!

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here is a snip from an article on Yahoo, written by Kevin Iole:

"
As soon as UFC UK president Marshall Zelaznik opened the floor to questions, a British reporter asked Bisping if he felt he had won.

White, who said he felt Hamill won the fight two rounds to one, said he was told the man questioning Bisping was not a reporter, but rather a Hamill cornerman.

But instead of brushing it off and saying he felt he won and moving on, Bisping took a more unbecoming posture.

“Of course,” Bisping said in an aggressive tone, which was much different than his witty, light-hearted persona in the days leading up to the fight. “Why would you talk to me like that?”

The questioner then responded, “Seriously?” which seemed to get Bisping further agitated.

“What do you mean, seriously?” Bisping said. “Do you want to go three rounds? … Of course I won the decision. Get the (expletive) out of here. Get that smile off your face.”

And then Bisping made an obscene gesture.
"

Now think what you want about Bisping…

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I knew that this thread would be all about Bisping/Hamill, but quickly onto the other matches.

Houston Alexander = WOW. I am happy he proved me wrong. He bucked Sakara right off when he was mounted. Now its time for him to fight a Top 10 guy – preferably someone with BJJ skills and at least decent standup. If Babalu wasn’t gone, I think that he would be the perfect next test for Houston before stepping into a possible #1 contender match against a Top 3 opponent. We gotta remember that although Houston is new to the UFC, he is 35/36 years old.

Marcus Davis = Heart and determination. That head kick and 15 or so direct hammer fists would have finished off 99.9% of fighters, but not Marcus. He had a beautiful transition from mount into the arm bar. I really enjoyed the way he talked us thru the submissions during his post fight interiview. He is really learning his BJJ!

CroCop = OVERHYPED. This dude is done. He came into the UFC thinking he was the man, and now he has lost to two B-C Level fighters in the UFC. He’s a joke, not a practical joke.

Henderson = Nice fight. Now go down to your natural 185 and own that division like we all know you can. If he beats Silva, there is NO ONE in that division that can come close to beating him.

PS. Who else LOVED it when Hamill came out to Springstein’s ‘Born in the USA’. I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Violent Mike: How do you like my Kongo an Hamil upset picks?

Houston Alexander: Wow is right….. that guy has some devestating power in his striking. If wanderlei wants a warm up fight, I say give him Houston Alexander (There styles = WAR) or after Forrest looses to Shogun, I wouldnt mind seeing Forrest vs. Houston.

How nasty will Hendo b at 185. I wish Franklin was fighting Hendo istead of Anderson. Franklin would just get beat up by Dan.

Marcus, is looking better and better as each fight goes by. To bad he is an older fighter, because if he was young…. Lookout. He fought like a warrior.

If cro cop couldnt beat a kickboxer who would keep the fight standing with him, then who can he beat. Put a fork in him.
Let cro cop fight arlovski…… I guess someone would have to win…

Dana invested a lotof money in cro cop. Dana has got to be pissed. He coulda added cro cops money to the Fedor offer. Cuz at this point cro cop looks to be a complete Joke.
Oh well atleast I got all cro cops fights in PRIDE. I wanna remember him as the cro cop of PRIDE not this 1 dimensional UFC BUST!

Rampage has officially taken his fight game to a whole other level. If he can find a way to beat Shogun, he will have the title for a while. Easier said than done

by john on Sep 10, 2007 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Henderson = Nice fight. Now go down to your natural 185 and own that division like we all know you can. If he beats Silva, there is NO ONE in that division that can come close to beating him.

I agree! I was routin for Page and always have, but Hendo proved alot, even in defeat. I think if he can take Anderson, he owns the 185,but i dont think he can do it. I think Hendo’s gunna have to sit a #2middleweight of the world, but who knows
And as far as Houston..He proved he belongs, I say give him Wandelei in december,, i would love to see that fight…Houston is crazy strong and wandelei is??…well he’s the axe murderer. would be a good one

by HeadKnock on Sep 10, 2007 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UFC = WWE
Too bad, they had a good thing going.

by Ian McCullough on Sep 10, 2007 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you only prefer people getting knocked out, then watch kickboxing. MMA is about all around fighting.

I can’t let this one go. The term is Mixed Martial Arts and if you go through the pedigrees of the greats you will they grew up with and have been trained extensively in wrestling. It is the core of Mixed Martial Arts today – like it or not.

by Can'tHandleStupidity on Sep 10, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i was absolutely infuriated when i heard bisbing’s name announced at the decision! that kind of judging truly makes me never want to watch or order another UFC fight. if i want a fixed fight and politics ill watch boxing. that is what has been so great about UFC from the beginning.. the raw purity of the sport. no BS, no cheating, and no stooping to the terrible thing boxing has blown up to be today. if i were dana white i would NEVER let those judges who scored for bisbing work for me again. that is assuming that dana white wasn’t somehow a part of it; in which case i would strongly consider not supporting UFC at all until large changes were made. i understand iffy calls when it really could ahve gone another way.. however, this is in no way the case. Hamill won every single round and apparently only one of the judges that night didn’t have serious retardation.
scores: 29-28 bisbing, 30-27 Hamill, 29-28 bisbing…
try and tell me that there isn’t something REAL screwy going on if those numbers can be so swayed!!
hurray for judges in the UK…
if that crap is going to happen (along with the TERRIBLE fans booing every damn minute) then keep it in the USA!!!

by dillon n on Sep 10, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey Violent Mike: How do you like my Kongo an Hamil upset picks?
Houston Alexander: Wow is right….. that guy has some devestating power in his striking. If wanderlei wants a warm up fight, I say give him Houston Alexander (There styles = WAR) or after Forrest looses to Shogun, I wouldnt mind seeing Forrest vs. Houston.
How nasty will Hendo b at 185. I wish Franklin was fighting Hendo istead of Anderson. Franklin would just get beat up by Dan.
Marcus, is looking better and better as each fight goes by. To bad he is an older fighter, because if he was young…. Lookout. He fought like a warrior.
If cro cop couldnt beat a kickboxer who would keep the fight standing with him, then who can he beat. Put a fork in him.
Let cro cop fight arlovski…… I guess someone would have to win…
Dana invested a lotof money in cro cop. Dana has got to be pissed. He coulda added cro cops money to the Fedor offer. Cuz at this point cro cop looks to be a complete Joke.
Oh well atleast I got all cro cops fights in PRIDE. I wanna remember him as the cro cop of PRIDE not this 1 dimensional UFC BUST!
Rampage has officially taken his fight game to a whole other level. If he can find a way to beat Shogun, he will have the title for a while. Easier said than done

John, I agree with everything you said.

NICE job with the upset picks!! I had picked Kongo as well, but I had picked Bisping. BUT, I was strongly rooting for Hamill. I disliked Bisping coming into this fight, and know I hate him even MORE than Tito Ortiz. At least with Tito, all his trash talking is just to hype up the fight, sell tickets and ultimately make money. After the fight is over, he will aknowledge his opponents skills, shake thier hands, admit that the comments were just to sell tickets, and move on. But not this punk Bisping. He really needs to get over himself.

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Other then the terrible decision. (and it was a bad decision.. not a fix) This was quite possibly the best UFC show in recent memory.

- Houston Alexander was impressive.
- The Davis’s ability to sustain the near KO and pull out the kimora out of no where was great!
- The Kongo/Cro-Cop fight was a little disapointing but had its moments.
- Bisbing/Hammill wasn’t that good either. Hamill clearly won (although he looked either gased in the 3rd or he was convinced he had won on points so he didn’t really push as much in the begining of the round as he should have.)/ but don’t jump to blaming the Brtish. It is worth noting that the one British judge was the one that gave it to Hamill 30 – 27. I believe the other two judges were American. I wouldn’t say I was impressed by Hamills performance but I was VERY impressed with his class in handling the unjust defeat. Note to all fighters: Never leave it up to the judges!

- Hendo/Jackson – I’m sorry but anyone who wasn’t thrilled with this fight is crazy! IMO this was no stop action on the ground or not! Both figthers were impressive and deserve a lot of recognition. This fight hopefully shows all those people that say MMA is human cock fighting that it is not all about blood and KO’s. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come.. but this fight was quite possibly the best fight the UFC has had in years! My hope is to see Hendo move down to his natural weight class and fight Silva (who will beat Franklin again). After seeing him take shot after shot from Rampage, I think that if Silva faces Henderson we may actually see someone get past the 1st round with the guy!

Anyway to sum up this rant… This was a great event! I know it is easier to talk up the scandal but a fight between two mediocore fighters has no business over shadowing a historic battle between two legit champs!

by KMAY17 on Sep 10, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

John, I agree with everything you said.

NICE job with the upset picks!! I had picked Kongo as well, but I had picked Bisping. BUT, I was strongly rooting for Hamill. I disliked Bisping coming into this fight, and know I hate him even MORE than Tito Ortiz. At least with Tito, all his trash talking is just to hype up the fight, sell tickets and ultimately make money. After the fight is over, he will aknowledge his opponents skills, shake thier hands, admit that the comments were just to sell tickets, and move on. But not this punk Bisping. He really needs to get over himself.

Yeh I agree. Bisping lost a lot of fans. Im so lucky, I bet on almost every event. Last Friday I gave the Kongo and Hamil upset picks. When Saturday came, I bet Kongo but I didnt have the ballz to bet against Bisping, so I bet Bisping. Ultimate win/win situation for me.

What do u think about wanderlei or Forrest (after he looses to Shogun) for Houston Alexanders next opponent. I cant wait to c him fight again.

by john on Sep 10, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What do u think about wanderlei or Forrest (after he looses to Shogun) for Houston Alexanders next opponent. I cant wait to c him fight again.

I can not wait to find out who Wanerlei’s first opponent will be!!!

How does this scenerio sound? The only problem is that one of the resulting matchups would never take place – Wandi vs Shogun. They will never fight each other.

Shogun vs Forrest = Winner gets a title shot, yes – even if Forrest wins.

Chuck vs Jardine. For the sake of arguement, I’m going to assume Chuck wins.

Wanderlei Silva vs Houston Alexander – The winner faces Chuck Liddell (provided he beats Jardine) in a #1 contender match.

Right around this time, the championship matchup between Rampage and Shogun, eh hem, excuse me. The championship matchup between Rampage and the winner of Shogun/Forrest will be fighting for the belt. So we’ll assume (for sake of arguement) it’ll be Rampage vs Shogun in a rematch.

Wandi/Alexander vs Liddell in #1 contender fight. That would lead to the next title fight being one of the following 4 possiblities, with only 3 of them actually being a possibility.

Rampage vs Wandi in a rematch, this time for unified championship
Rampage vs Houston Alexander
Shogun vs Houston Alexander
Shogun vs Wandi – they will NEVER fight each other.

Yes, this scenario does have Houston being fed to the wolves, but they guy is what, 36 years old. He ain’t going to be around for ever. The UFC might as well take advantage of the tear he’s been on. Beside, what MMA fan in the world woudn’t want to see Houston The Assassin Alexander against The Axe Murderer Wanderlei Silva.

And to answer the rest of your question, if Forrest loses to Shogun, who should he face? Wilson Gouveia. Wilson had been dominating lower level opponents on the undercard. He’s ready to take a step up in competition.

by ViolentMike on Sep 10, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“Michael Bisping is the Ultimate Fighter, he beat me fair and square.” – matt hamill

nuff said

Can you actually feel comfortable saying that???I don’t like Matt Hamil and I will say he won that fight clearly won that fight!!!!! I liked Bisping going into the fight but lost all respect for him after he developeed a case of diarhea of the mouth!!!!

by Scott Lagender on Sep 10, 2007 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But most people think this was no mistake. It was such a bad call that most believe there is more here than simple human error. For whatever the reason, I think a reasonable person can suspect “foul Play”.

A reasonable person??

How can the UFC apologize for something they have no control over. The Officials and Judges are employed by the state. Dana disagreed with the decision too.

by Jordan on Sep 10, 2007 6:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have never been to Vegas to watch a fight, so I can’t speak to American fans booing first hand, but I rarely hear booing on the televised fights I watch. If two fighters are feeling eachother out a little, that’s understandable, but if it turns out looking more like a heavyweight boxing match (i.e. not much action), then I don’t blame people for being upset and getting vocal about it. That being said, I haven’t seen many MMA fights like that at all, which is why I’m such a big fan. What I saw/heard from the British fans (generally speaking) is booing from the moment the fight went to the ground… big difference!

I use to be a HUGE boxing fan – CAN NOT stand it anymore. Partially for the boaring fights, but also the incredibly bad decisions, like Bisping v Hamil. Lets hope this doesn’t become a problem in MMA too.

by 2BAD4U on Sep 10, 2007 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Give Kongo another year of maintaining his current striking ability and building on his newly found wrestling and jujitsu skills. He can be champ easily. I’d like to see Kongo versus Arlovski sometime.

Yeah two freakin’ monsters going at it…I think AA wouldn’t have a problem with CC anymore so that would be a more viable fight in my opinion.

CC fights crap and loses. AA fights crap and wins (Not against Timmy mind).

by RobH86 on Sep 10, 2007 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Hamill decision was the worst I’ve seen since UFC 1, and including all Pride fights (RIP). I miss Pride even more now and question the integrity of the UFC, given that Bisping was the home boy and that the UFC is trying to get the UK on board. I don’t blame the judges as much as the UFC – did the UFC bias the decision?

by Fighter Mama on Sep 10, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont belive the jackson henderson fight had a clear winner.both fighters had taken the other down the same amount of times and henderson hit jackson just as meany times and henderson was the clear agresser.this fight should have been a draw.the ufc judges are getting worse and worse how can anybody that knows anything think pisping and I mean pisping won the fight

by alpha on Sep 10, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rampage nigga no ones takin him out for a long time

by tiggity on Sep 10, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well jackson sure dident take out henderson now did he .that matched proved nothing.the only thing it proved is that the great jackson cant take out henderson and that jackson needed to do more than that to get that type of decison

by alpha on Sep 10, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like many of you I was sick to my stomach after hearing Hamill lost that fight. Yes, he got winded but he pounded out Bisbing more often than not. Bisbang fell to the floor on several occassion and looked like a beginner in the start of the fight. It reminded me of a bad boxing night! How can Dana White allow this to happen? Someone mentioned it and he “does” have some explaining to do. This was an outrage to those of us who love the MMA and want to support it. Dana White will lose supporters if poor, misguided decisions plauge the UFC like this one.

by gfaith63 on Sep 10, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisbing had the nerve to announce how victorious he was…. like hell. He is like a coddled child who better stay on that side of the Atlantic.

by DJ on Sep 10, 2007 11:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t it nice that White thinks the rematch is a no brainer! Was it all planned that way from the start? this is boxing all over again, the UFC is getting very big, too much money involved for people not want to shape out comes in any manner they can, weather it is securing the outcome via the judge or having the fighter take a dive just like boxing. how disgusting!!! My son and i were just getting into this sport because it seemed fresh and untainted i don’t feel that way now. Hamill was the aggressor throughout the fight did more of what i have come to expect in a UFC fight, kicks and take downs not just boxing. I know nothing will come of the outrage i have read so far, i like the idea that Bisping do the right thing and hand the decision over to Hamill

by hamillfan on Sep 11, 2007 12:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bisbing/Hamill decision blantently wrong. Not even close. I have seen several fights where it could have gone either way and it usually goes to the “most popular or current title holder” which is OK since it may be a close fight. I no longer care to order or watch PPV UFC fights. A rematch is no good either. The decision needs to be reversed. I would like to see the fight scored by at least five other judges to hear their opinion. If it can’t be reversed, it needs to be nullified. How about a Bisbing/Rashad fight. Weren’t they both on the same show with Rashad as a heavyweght? I personally would like to see Bisbing’s contract cancled because of his comments and actions after the fight. Also I believe grabbing the cage, a kick in the groin ect. should result in an instant point deduction.

by Rep on Sep 11, 2007 12:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping did an interview with CBSSportsline.com and he said that he was looking forward to fighting in front of the American MMA fans. I am curious how well he will be received by American fans now.

by anbre81 on Sep 11, 2007 2:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The decision was Rubbish. Hammill won that match hands down. I was so dissapointed in the judges that i felt sick. I hope there is an investigation or something , Bisbing you should be ashamed of yourself , you are a LOSER.

by RA1NKING on Sep 11, 2007 4:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let’s not make this a UK vs US thing, I think it was a close match but Hamill should have got the decision. I have heard booing at a lot of UFC events (no matter where they are)and it annoys me, I was hoping that this event wasn’t going to be like that but I was wrong, the UK has got its own set of idiots as well as every other country.

I also think that Bisping had pre-prepared his comments at the end of the fight as he thought he would win convincely – not sure if that makes it better or worse – what it did do was to make him look like a complete d#ck. I would imagine that he will be sitting in the corner of the Wolf’s Lair looking a little bit embarassed at this moment in time and so he should. I am British and I really liked Bisping before this but he demonstrated a complete lack of judgement and should have been a lot more gracious in victory. He has got a lot to make up to MMA fans.

by UK Fight Fan on Sep 11, 2007 6:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bisping?????? Holy SH*T, I stopped watching boxing years ago because it was fixed and everyone knew it. UFC HAS been a great sport…until this Bisping-Hammil decision which was the biggest turd of the last 10 years. Dana White, please have your marketing pawns read and all of the posts on this site, because, for your information: WE – YOUR CUSTOMERS – ARE PISSED OFF!!!! Even in this new century, 2 2 equals 4…and itt’s curious how UFC wants to build up the English/European audience…and what better way than to give them a contender (Bisping). Your fans are smart. Please don’t become another Don King.

by Husker on Sep 14, 2007 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well; I just watched the encore presentation of UFC 75. I thought maybe I had missed something in the Bisbing and Hamill fight. No; I had it right the first time. Hamill kicked his ass. I hate to see someone work and prepare for something like Hamil obviously did only to have some pencil neck judge rob him of what was so clearly his. The disgrace of Hamils loss was matched only by the repulsive behavior of Bisbing after getting owned for three rounds. I kind of liked Bisbing before this fight. I hope Bisbings next opponent embarasses him. He needs a good Gonzaga kick to the head. Hamill was much improved and took the skull f#$king with alot of grace.

by Arbee on Sep 14, 2007 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love this sport. Bisping vs. Hammill outcome was very disappointing in all respects of the arts that this sport stands for.

by Zane on Oct 27, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hendo was robbed.

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