Chuck Liddell: 'I never hand-picked' Keith Jardine for UFC 76

What BS…WHO CARES!!!!

I dont even think anyone is interested in this fight, but if Liddell loses(which is highly unlikely)..oh man will he be in some sh**…he better show up ready to blow through him.

Does anyone know if Dana White is still chucks manager?

What BS…WHO CARES!!!!

I care. It would be a big deal if he turned down Shogun or Nakamura. Much better fights than Jardine. But even if he did turn those fights down it’s not like he would admit it anyway.

Does anyone know if Dana White is still chucks manager?

No, that would be a clear conflict of interests and on top of that, I am sure Dana has his hands full enough.

match maker : who should we put to fight chuck ?

dana: I think we should have him fight somebody who’s going to f—-ing stand in front of him and try to brawl.

match maker : what about that new kid Alexander?

dana : No f—-ing way you saw how he ran through Jardine.

match maker : what about jardine then ?

dana : thats a great f—-ing idea. Chuck’s going to kick his a$$. I can’t wait to tell chuck, he’s going to f—-ing love this.

George R,
That sound just like Dana, LOL.

I don’t know. After the Wandy fight fell through, if Chuck was given the choice of fighting Shogun or Jardine, he would have most definitely chosen Jardine. He just got KTFO by Rampage, again, plus he wants his belt back more than anything. So he needs a win to be back in the title picture. If he needs a win, why in the world would he chose Shogun. This makes me think that maybe Chuck does have some say on who he fights. If he doesn’t “have a say” it is very obvious that Dana has a lot to do with who Chuck fights, and when Chuck fights him. If Dana doesn’t believe that Chuck has more than a 90% chance of winning a fight, he is not going to book it.

In the article, Chuck is quoted as saying:

“I’ve never hand-picked an opponent. I’m not going to. There would be no reason to hand-pick Jardine. The only time I’ve ever asked for a guy is when I asked to fight Kevin Randleman because I wanted to fight a guy that had a name at the time because they kept giving me guys as little known as I was. I think that’s the only time I’ve ever asked for someone specifically.”

But I remember that Chuck wanted to fight Tito for the longest time, but Tito didn’t want to fight Chuck. Once Randy took the belt from Tito, Chuck and Tito finally got to fight for the first time. Chuck DEFINITELY hand-picked Tito as an opponent.

Chuck DEFINITELY hand-picked Tito as an opponent.

He also picked Tommy Morrison.

Wasn’t he begging for Rampage too?

Is that Chuck in the main pic? Sure doesn’t look like him..

Never a headline fight….tis a load of balls. Fair play to Forrest though for taking on Shogun(run Forrest run !!)

No buddy trashed the other fighters when they gave them sure fights. Did anyone say anything about Rich Franklin. I mean Jesus even George St. Pierre got an easy first fight after he got the belt but OOPS that Dumb ass lost it!! WHO CARES IT!! It is a redemption fight for chuck.

Is that Chuck in the main pic? Sure doesn’t look like him..

Yes.

Chuck doesnt have to handpick his opponents. The UFC does that already.

Chuck wouldnt have a chance with the likes of Shogun or Hendo. Is it just his style, or does he look incredibly sluggish on his feet (i.e.,flat footed). Has he always had that beer gut?

I hope Jardine wins (even though he won’t) for comedy.

Im not spending 39.95 on this one.
Chuck vs. Jardine is not a main event worthy of PPV.
Shogun vs. Griffin is not very good either.

match maker : who should we put to fight chuck ?

dana: I think we should have him fight somebody who’s going to f—-ing stand in front of him and try to brawl.

match maker : what about that new kid Alexander?

dana : No f—-ing way you saw how he ran through Jardine.

match maker : what about jardine then ?

dana : thats a great f—-ing idea. Chuck’s going to kick his a$$. I can’t wait to tell chuck, he’s going to f—-ing love this.

HAHAHA… excellent!

I don’t know why people complaining about Chuck vs Jardine fight, yeah perhaps Chuck vs Shogun would have been a better fight, but unless they fight for the belt it won’t happen. Chuck vs Silva would be have a better match than Jardine, but nothing can’t be done Silva backed out, so who else is left that would make a formidable oponent for Chuck (Machida, Bonnar), Jardine is the best candidate of them all, they both coming from big upset loses, and yeah Chuck got experience on Jardnine, but Jardine is a smart fighter and he won’t make same mistake twice.

I was looking over the net other day for MMA news and I came across that story and I didnt even take it seriously,it was basicly saying Chuck was scared to fight Shogun and he picked Jardine as an easy fight
I took one look at it and thought yeah right BS! and I forgot about it untill now.I think some nerdy guys make these rumors up because they think that fighters must think atleast a bit like them,well I can tell you they dont,Chuck has prooved over and over that he realy is not afraid of anyone,he dosnt just say that for the sake of it,he means it.
Look at the time he fought Babaloo when he was all ready in line for a title shot but just wanted to fight anyway,hes prooved more then anyone that he is intimidated by no-one.

I don’t know. After the Wandy fight fell through, if Chuck was given the choice of fighting Shogun or Jardine, he would have most definitely chosen Jardine. He just got KTFO by Rampage, again, plus he wants his belt back more than anything. So he needs a win to be back in the title picture. If he needs a win, why in the world would he chose Shogun. This makes me think that maybe Chuck does have some say on who he fights. If he doesn’t “have a say” it is very obvious that Dana has a lot to do with who Chuck fights, and when Chuck fights him. If Dana doesn’t believe that Chuck has more than a 90% chance of winning a fight, he is not going to book it.

In the article, Chuck is quoted as saying:

“I’ve never hand-picked an opponent. I’m not going to. There would be no reason to hand-pick Jardine. The only time I’ve ever asked for a guy is when I asked to fight Kevin Randleman because I wanted to fight a guy that had a name at the time because they kept giving me guys as little known as I was. I think that’s the only time I’ve ever asked for someone specifically.”

But I remember that Chuck wanted to fight Tito for the longest time, but Tito didn’t want to fight Chuck. Once Randy took the belt from Tito, Chuck and Tito finally got to fight for the first time. Chuck DEFINITELY hand-picked Tito as an opponent.

Chuck did not hand pick Tito as a fight,Chuck was the number one contender for ages and Tito was refusing to fight him,everyone wanted to see him and Tito fight and most people thought Tito would win (not me) when Tito lost his belt to Couture he had no say who he would fight and Chuck wanted to proove to everyone he could beat him after all the talking Tito had been doing.Chuck would of picked to fight Tito at that time but he didnt have to coz the UFC had been trying to put that fight on for ages and it was inevitable.

The card would be Chuck v Shogun if this was Pride. If Chuck beats Jardine (who just got knocked out by a newcomer) it means nothing and since Shogun is fighting the same night this is clearly staged.

This is the type of thing that happens in boxing.

Jardine v Griffin with Chuck v Shogun as the main card would have been better for the sport but worse for Chuck. It’s not like there is a lack of talent at 205, why waste months and fights?

I am not saying that Chuck picked this fight but I sure don’t hear him complaining either.

[quote comment=“117233”]I don’t know. After the Wandy fight fell through, if Chuck was given the choice of fighting Shogun or Jardine, he would have most definitely chosen Jardine. He just got KTFO by Rampage, again, plus he wants his belt back more than anything. So he needs a win to be back in the title picture. If he needs a win, why in the world would he chose Shogun. "

-Violent Mike

Chuck would definitly want to fight Shogun coz he belives he is the best so why would he turn down a fight with any LH fighter.
I bet if they had offered him an imediate rematch with Rampage he would of taken that.
Chuck would fight fight Fedor,Crocop or anyone they offered him,if you think he is scared of Shogun you are wrong,I dont even know what gives you that idea,they are all fighters they want to proove who is the best.

I was looking over the net other day for MMA news and I came across that story and I didnt even take it seriously,it was basicly saying Chuck was scared to fight Shogun and he picked Jardine as an easy fight
I took one look at it and thought yeah right BS! and I forgot about it untill now.I think some nerdy guys make these rumors up because they think that fighters must think atleast a bit like them,well I can tell you they dont,Chuck has prooved over and over that he realy is not afraid of anyone,he dosnt just say that for the sake of it,he means it.
Look at the time he fought Babaloo when he was all ready in line for a title shot but just wanted to fight anyway,hes prooved more then anyone that he is intimidated by no-one.

Chuck already had the title when he fought Babaloo…it was Vernon “tiger” White he fought just for the heck of it before he was champ. I agree that because Silva had to back out for now, Jardine is the next best reasonable option for both Liddell/Jardine. Also, why put Chuck against Shogun now? All that is doing is throwing away a good fight that is much more marketable after both Chuck/Shogun get a couple more UFC wins. Sure Houston Alexander smoked Jardine, but that very well could have been a fluke. One good fight in the UFC shouldn’t earn Houston a fight against Liddell. Now if he doesn that well 2-3 fights in a row I’d say it’s time for Shogun/Houston to fight.

It always comes down to money. I would much rather see Chuck fight Shogun but the UFC is playing this smart. I don’t think Chuck picked his opponent and here’s why.

The UFC knows they are going to get huge PPV numbers at 76 soley because Chuck is fighting regardless of who his opponent is. Shogun in my opinion and many others is the top light heavyweight in the world, but the casual fan (new fans to the UFC in the past year since its gone mainstream) doesn’t have a clue who Shogun is. The casual fan doesn’t come to these sites like us hardcore fans do (at least for the most part). Shogun could be Elvis Sinosic for all they know. So there’s no point in having him fight Chuck now cause it’s not going to make them anymore money than if Chuck fights Jardine. They need to introduce Shogun to the mainstream audience with someone the casual fan does know, Forrest, who he will most likely maul so the mainstream audience will become familiar with him.

From there, my prediction is, Shogun will get the next title shot at winner Rampage/Henderson, and most likely win. Chuck will hopefully and its looking like will face “the axe murderer” (by far the best nickname in MMA). Assuming Chuck already beat Jardine, and he goes and beats Wand, it would set up a HUGE title match between Shogun (whom everyone knows by this point) and the Iceman. That’s how I see it going and how I believe the UFC can maximize its dollar.

Of course, with all the upsets recently who the hell knows what could happen.

Forget all the whinning, this COULD be a great fight. An aging superstar (Lidell) coming off a devastating loss where he lost LHW belt in a very unexpected fashion. A promising fighter (Jardine) coming off a devastating and unexpected loss to an unknown fighter. Considering that people (UFC brass included) saw a great deal of potential in Jardine before the Alexander fight, this fight could be closer than most expect.

Both fighters are at a crossroad here. A loss takes either one of these fighters out of the 205 ib fold. A win puts them right back in, especially if Jardine upsets Lidell. Consider this, Jardine has little to lose here. He is not expected, by most internet pundits, to be much of a threat to Lidell (similar to the man Jardine just lost to – Alexander). He will not have the same pressure (as Lidell) going into this fight, and therefore is in the much more enviable position. Lidell, on the other hand, has all the pressure on his shoulders going into this fight. If he loses, he’s more or less done. If he wins, well, that’s what was supposed to happen. Either way, Lidell must win this fight. And he must win it convincingly…

The card would be Chuck v Shogun if this was Pride. If Chuck beats Jardine (who just got knocked out by a newcomer) it means nothing and since Shogun is fighting the same night this is clearly staged.

This is the type of thing that happens in boxing.

Jardine v Griffin with Chuck v Shogun as the main card would have been better for the sport but worse for Chuck. It’s not like there is a lack of talent at 205, why waste months and fights?

I am not saying that Chuck picked this fight but I sure don’t hear him complaining either.

I agree. Dana is too worried about how devastating losses are to his favorites. With Pride, they put the best agaisnt the best, and if you put up a good fight against the best, then the fans recognize your talents and effort.

I dont need to see a guy win all the time to become a fan of him. Life has its ups and downs and seeing a fighter go through those helps us fans identify with them.

Dana White’s lawyer is Chuck’s manager.

Chuck has picked a bunch of fights for himself before when Dana was his manager, and it doesn’t matter anymore, cause Chuck is just a thing of the past.

With Hendo, Rampage, Silva, Shogun in the mix, plus a bunch of other dangerous 205ers, Liddell is going to have to fight someone hard eventually. And if he can’t handle Rampage, who’s to say he can handle Silva or Shogun who both made Rampage look like Rampage made Chuck look. (Like a bag o’ ass.)

Chuck already had the title when he fought Babaloo…it was Vernon “tiger” White he fought just for the heck of it before he was champ. I agree that because Silva had to back out for now, Jardine is the next best reasonable option for both Liddell/Jardine. Also, why put Chuck against Shogun now? All that is doing is throwing away a good fight that is much more marketable after both Chuck/Shogun get a couple more UFC wins. Sure Houston Alexander smoked Jardine, but that very well could have been a fluke. One good fight in the UFC shouldn’t earn Houston a fight against Liddell. Now if he doesn that well 2-3 fights in a row I’d say it’s time for Shogun/Houston to fight.

he was talking about the first time they foght nout the 2nd time….cuz they foght twice u know

Poor old Chucky. Loads of web warriors bashing his integrity. I do believe he’d fight anyone but I see Shogun beating him too.

I know Overeem has a contract with some other organisation but does anyone know how many fights he has left. I would love to see Alistair and Arona in the UFC too.

I know Overeem has a contract with some other organisation but does anyone know how many fights he has left. I would love to see Alistair and Arona in the UFC too.

Alistair is resigned with K1 I believe.. it suits him better anyways.

lso, why put Chuck against Shogun now? All that is doing is throwing away a good fight that is much more marketable after both Chuck/Shogun get a couple more UFC wins.

Because I thought MMA was about finding out who the best was, not who could sell more tickets.

match maker : who should we put to fight chuck ?

dana: I think we should have him fight somebody who’s going to f—-ing stand in front of him and try to brawl.

match maker : what about that new kid Alexander?

dana : No f—-ing way you saw how he ran through Jardine.

match maker : what about jardine then ?

dana : thats a great f—-ing idea. Chuck’s going to kick his a$$. I can’t wait to tell chuck, he’s going to f—-ing love this.

LOL But Dana’s reaction to the Houston Alexander should have been “That’s f—-ing retarded”

No buddy trashed the other fighters when they gave them sure fights. Did anyone say anything about Rich Franklin. I mean Jesus even George St. Pierre got an easy first fight after he got the belt but OOPS that Dumb ass lost it!! WHO CARES IT!! It is a redemption fight for chuck.

Who did Rich Franklin get thrown lately? I remember MacDonald who was a contender and Okami, who I believe are both ranked as top 5 mw’s on this site. Also, St. Pierre didn’t pick Serra, he had to fight him because of the TUF show. This Chuch thing is totally different. Jardine has proven to be mediocre at best and got rocked by Alexander. Chuck fans have to face it, he’ll never beat Rampage, Henderson, or Shogun, and probably not Silva. At least maybe he can hang around beating up an comers until he retires.

Chuck fans have to face it, he’ll never beat Rampage, Henderson, or Shogun, and probably not Silva. At least maybe he can hang around beating up an comers until he retires.

Yeah no doubt, when Tito is fighting tougher competition than Chuck, you know there’s a problem.

I agree with the very first post. WHO CARES! It’s not that big of a deal that this match up was made. More than likely this will be an entertaining fight no matter what happens.

I was at UFC 73. Based on what I saw there and what I see in these responses, there are a lot of idiots following this sport. Too much over reaction.

Based on what I saw there and what I see in these responses, there are a lot of idiots following this sport.

Yeah what a crowd of douche bags there was there that night, booing at everything.

chuck liddell pisses me off.

1. he was a division 1 all american at cal poly, but he just uses his wrestling defensively. WHY! WHY! WHY! because hes too damn stubborn to realize rampage has better straight technical striking than him.

2. he is too damn stubborn to change up his training to learn real muay thai knees and kicks which are rampages big weakness, especially knees. wanderlai and shogun showed that a chute boxe stlye is the perfect way to beat rampage, but chuck likes to trade hands like a dumass.

3. hes a purple, nearly brown belt in bjj yet he never uses that, because he likes to throw hands. stubborn

4. his sprawl and brawl style has worked well against excellent grapplers like randy and tito and babalu. Yet he is too stubborn and/or stupid to bring a different gameplan to a different fight. and i dont care what you say rampage is not a grappler, he is mainly a striker (slamming arona is not grappling).

Yeah no doubt, when Tito is fighting tougher competition than Chuck, you know there’s a problem.

Chuck would absolutly detroy Dan Henderson,how do you figure he would beat Chuck?

Because I thought MMA was about finding out who the best was, not who could sell more tickets.

Every “why?” in business is answered with “money”. MMA is just like any other sport. In the end its a business that makes money by entertainment. To the fans, its about who is the best, but to the Fertitta’s and Dana, its about the money. They didn’t buy the UFC to see who the best fighters are. They bought it because they loved the sport and more importantly thought they could make money off it.

Right now they know they aren’t going to make any more money by facing him against Shogun than they will off Jardine. The hardcore fans are still going to watch and the casual fan wouldn’t know any different. Why face him with Shogun and make it much more risky of Shogun handing him his second loss in a row to who would be an unknown to the casual fan, thus losing more marketability for Chuck (equaling less money the UFC makes off him and they don’t make more off any other fighter, period). The UFC has as much to lose with another loss as Chuck does. They can’t afford for him to lose again until they are able to properly display to the world how great these four PRIDE LHW’s are.

The UFC just broke out to the world that Chuck Liddell is the biggest star in MMA and as soon as that happens he gets KO’d in the first two minutes. A back to back loss would be devastating especially by someone the mainstream doesn’t even know. At least they know who Jardine is.

I don’t know. After the Wandy fight fell through, if Chuck was given the choice of fighting Shogun or Jardine, he would have most definitely chosen Jardine. He just got KTFO by Rampage, again, plus he wants his belt back more than anything. So he needs a win to be back in the title picture. If he needs a win, why in the world would he chose Shogun. "
-Violent Mike
Chuck would definitly want to fight Shogun coz he belives he is the best so why would he turn down a fight with any LH fighter.
I bet if they had offered him an imediate rematch with Rampage he would of taken that.
Chuck would fight fight Fedor,Crocop or anyone they offered him,if you think he is scared of Shogun you are wrong,I dont even know what gives you that idea,they are all fighters they want to proove who is the best.

Mcanena, I never said that Chuck was ‘scared’ of Shogun, he’s not scared. I was saying that coming off losing his belt, given the choice, he is going to pick the opponent who he has the best chance to beat. And that wouldnt be Shogun, it would be Jardine. Because you know Dana will give him a title shot after just one win, and that one win will be against Jardine, rather than Shogun. If you had the choice to be the number 1 contender by beating Jardine or Shogun, who are you going to chose?

And I really don’t think that Chuck actually ‘wants’ to fight Fedor. That is all talk just to build up his persona as a bad ass. Honestly, Randy has a better chance at beating Fedor than Chuck does, in my opinion.

chuck liddell pisses me off.

1. he was a division 1 all american at cal poly, but he just uses his wrestling defensively. WHY! WHY! WHY! because hes too damn stubborn to realize rampage has better straight technical striking than him.

2. he is too damn stubborn to change up his training to learn real muay thai knees and kicks which are rampages big weakness, especially knees. wanderlai and shogun showed that a chute boxe stlye is the perfect way to beat rampage, but chuck likes to trade hands like a dumass.

3. hes a purple, nearly brown belt in bjj yet he never uses that, because he likes to throw hands. stubborn

4. his sprawl and brawl style has worked well against excellent grapplers like randy and tito and babalu. Yet he is too stubborn and/or stupid to bring a different gameplan to a different fight. and i dont care what you say rampage is not a grappler, he is mainly a striker (slamming arona is not grappling).

Chuck is a bit lazy, he’s been fighting a lot of guys who are perfect for his style and he just punches now.

The card would be Chuck v Shogun if this was Pride. If Chuck beats Jardine (who just got knocked out by a newcomer) it means nothing and since Shogun is fighting the same night this is clearly staged.
This is the type of thing that happens in boxing.
Jardine v Griffin with Chuck v Shogun as the main card would have been better for the sport but worse for Chuck. It’s not like there is a lack of talent at 205, why waste months and fights?
I am not saying that Chuck picked this fight but I sure don’t hear him complaining either.

totally agree. UFC will be just like boxing in the next couple of years, cuz all the low-life scum from boxing are slowly moving towards the MMA world. Soon the judges will be corrupt and the promoter will be too…Oh too late for that one cuz Dana is already a dick

Alistair is resigned with K1 I believe.. it suits him better anyways.

Yeah I checked it out he fought Michael Knapp in amsterdam under K-1 rules. I hope the UFC can snap him up. He’s only just gone 27, he’s younger than Bisping plus he’s got loads of experience and some serious Muay Thai. He’s another european and he’s damn good so they really should be on his case. It would draw more fans over here. Hell sign him up and make him fight the Count. Would love to see that. Actually no make him fight Tito so he can kick his ass out of the UFC. I’m fed up of all Tito’s talk about being in great shape and having improved (he’s getting worse if you ask me). Well truthfully about the same as he always was.

I like Chuck and he draws the casual fan because Dana knows that a mohawk tough dude that throws haymakers and swings for the fences is going to attract this audience.

As much as I like Chuck, which I sincerely do, if you look at his record he’s only really beaten top grapplers and wrestlers and other lesser fighters of this ilk. I think if he fought Overeem again he’d lose. Plus I don’t think you can teach old dogs new tricks. I wouldn’t expect a much different Chuck to come back. He’ll probably just come in a bit better shape but he’s always going to sprawl and brawl.

Chuck would absolutly detroy Dan Henderson,how do you figure he would beat Chuck?

Because he’s better at everything than Chuck? Owns two belts, fights better competition, and Chuck is old and just got one punched by Rampage, who isn’t even that well known for his striking ability.

Anyways time will tell for Chuck, and when all is said and done he will not be considered the best LHW of all time, so why argue about it?

Soon the judges will be corrupt

Cecil Peoples.

Chuck doesnt have to handpick his opponents. The UFC does that already.

 yes sir

"
Mcanena, I never said that Chuck was ‘scared’ of Shogun, he’s not scared. I was saying that coming off losing his belt, given the choice, he is going to pick the opponent who he has the best chance to beat. And that wouldnt be Shogun, it would be Jardine. Because you know Dana will give him a title shot after just one win, and that one win will be against Jardine, rather than Shogun. If you had the choice to be the number 1 contender by beating Jardine or Shogun, who are you going to chose?

And I really don’t think that Chuck actually ‘wants’ to fight Fedor. That is all talk just to build up his persona as a bad ass. Honestly, Randy has a better chance at beating Fedor than Chuck does, in my opinion.[/quote]"

I just think that Chuck is the type of guy who likes fighting,if everyone is saying someone is a hard case then you just automaticly want to fight them to proove yourself as the better fighter,you dont say oh Il beat up his pal on the crutches,well thats how I think any way and if I think like that then I know Chuck does.
I would most definatly agree with you if you were to say Dana and the UFC bosses didnt want Chuck fighting Shogun right now,infact that is obviously what has happened,but I dont belive for one second that Chuck would choose to fight Jardine over Shogun,he would most definitly want to go with the tougher fight,I think he is just doing what he is told to do.

From there, my prediction is, Shogun will get the next title shot at winner Rampage/Henderson, and most likely win. Chuck will hopefully and its looking like will face “the axe murderer” (by far the best nickname in MMA). Assuming Chuck already beat Jardine, and he goes and beats Wand, it would set up a HUGE title match between Shogun (whom everyone knows by this point) and the Iceman. That’s how I see it going and how I believe the UFC can maximize its dollar.

Couldnt have said it better myself…. and from a business stand point u cant blame them

Some of you guys are way too negative and get into way too much of an uproar over this stuff. They’re both great sluggers. It should be a great (if potentially short lived bout) and I for one am excited to see this match-up.

chuck liddell pisses me off.

1. he was a division 1 all american at cal poly, but he just uses his wrestling defensively. WHY! WHY! WHY! because hes too damn stubborn to realize rampage has better straight technical striking than him.

2. he is too damn stubborn to change up his training to learn real muay thai knees and kicks which are rampages big weakness, especially knees. wanderlai and shogun showed that a chute boxe stlye is the perfect way to beat rampage, but chuck likes to trade hands like a dumass.

3. hes a purple, nearly brown belt in bjj yet he never uses that, because he likes to throw hands. stubborn

4. his sprawl and brawl style has worked well against excellent grapplers like randy and tito and babalu. Yet he is too stubborn and/or stupid to bring a different gameplan to a different fight. and i dont care what you say rampage is not a grappler, he is mainly a striker (slamming arona is not grappling).

Chuck is a bit lazy, he’s been fighting a lot of guys who are perfect for his style and he just punches now.

i only said that becuz i was/am a big fan of chuck and am dissapointed that he is too stubborn/stupid to have a good gameplan vs rampage becuz i think he has the skill set to beat rampage if he fought smart and took rampage down. which i think he could

The hate in this thread is incredible. Go back to Sherdog ffs. We don’t want this crap here.

Hell i dunno anymore so many rumors all the time. I like Liddell i dont care if he losses all the fights the rest of his career i will still like him in the end. I hope he does better than that lol but even if he dont im a fan. Does it suck that oppenents may be being handpicked yeah but lifes a b1tch i’ll still watch the fights.

Hell i dunno anymore so many rumors all the time. I like Liddell i dont care if he losses all the fights the rest of his career i will still like him in the end. I hope he does better than that lol but even if he dont im a fan. Does it suck that oppenents may be being handpicked yeah but lifes a b1tch i’ll still watch the fights.

Good Call. I’ll always watch the fights too and I think that a lot of the haters here will too but they just love to complain about this stuff and pretend that their whining will get them somewhere.

Chuck well.. No comments but I just simply don’t like Jardine ernd of story.

I don’t know. After the Wandy fight fell through, if Chuck was given the choice of fighting Shogun or Jardine, he would have most definitely chosen Jardine. He just got KTFO by Rampage, again, plus he wants his belt back more than anything. So he needs a win to be back in the title picture. If he needs a win, why in the world would he chose Shogun. This makes me think that maybe Chuck does have some say on who he fights. If he doesn’t “have a say” it is very obvious that Dana has a lot to do with who Chuck fights, and when Chuck fights him. If Dana doesn’t believe that Chuck has more than a 90% chance of winning a fight, he is not going to book it.

In the article, Chuck is quoted as saying:

“I’ve never hand-picked an opponent. I’m not going to. There would be no reason to hand-pick Jardine. The only time I’ve ever asked for a guy is when I asked to fight Kevin Randleman because I wanted to fight a guy that had a name at the time because they kept giving me guys as little known as I was. I think that’s the only time I’ve ever asked for someone specifically.”

But I remember that Chuck wanted to fight Tito for the longest time, but Tito didn’t want to fight Chuck. Once Randy took the belt from Tito, Chuck and Tito finally got to fight for the first time. Chuck DEFINITELY hand-picked Tito as an opponent.

When tito lost to Randy, he had to fight Chuck to gain another title shot as instructed by Dana White. Tito wanted to get his belt back and took the fight. Chuck just wanted to fight Tito all along.

Besides even if Chuck wants to fight you doesn’t mean he always gets to fight them. He wanted Wanderlei for years, he never got it. You can always opt out the like Wanderlei and him immigartion reasons. Bottom line, Chuck wants to fight everyone, good or bad, big or small. And he didn’t handpick tito, cuz tito ultimately agreed to the fight after ducking him for years.

I believe Chuck no problem, he’s alway been a warrior. It’s not like we’re talking about Tito. Either way, not a big deal.

Chuck is gonna kill Jardine. This is somethign I am really wanting to see. A classic good old Chucky knock out. I have never thought Jardine is worthy to be thrown into the top ranked mix and can’t hang with the top guys. This fight will prove that.

Chuck would not know what to do with Shogun in the clinch.

Chuch vs. Jardine is just a showcase. Jardine is not even in the same league. Chuck TKO in the 1st.

Shogun will rip Forest apart. Forest will walk away with a few broken ribs. I predict a stoppage due to strikes in the 1st round.

In the end this is all a setup for Chuck and Shogun to fight.

Chuck would not know what to do with Shogun in the clinch.

Chuch vs. Jardine is just a showcase. Jardine is not even in the same league. Chuck TKO in the 1st.

Shogun will rip Forest apart. Forest will walk away with a few broken ribs. I predict a stoppage due to strikes in the 1st round.

In the end this is all a setup for Chuck and Shogun to fight.

That’s why they actually have the fights…because no one here knows what the outcomes will be…

I’ll take Chuck, in a surprisingly tough fight, over a very game Jardine. Four months ago people thought Jardine had potential. Since his unexpected and devastating loss (which all fighters have) all you kids have a hate on for him. I say he gains a ton of respect with this fight.

I also take Forest in what will be another 2007 upset. The fight will be awesome, with tons of feeling out, but I see Shogun having a disappointing debut. It’s just a gut feeling, though I usually enjoy Griffin’s fights.

And no, I’m not a TUF newby. I’m a huge fan of the sport making a prediction. Can’t wait for the first tomato can to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about…

I’m not the biggest Chuck fan, but why all the hate? I mean he’s a great fighter, who has a great resume under him. And everyone makes it like he’s a wuss or something. Which isn the case at all, its funn really.

its been a while since chuck has fought a 3 round fight, i hope he doesn’t try to press the action looking for a quick KO and get caught with a jardine combo ala forrest griffin, i doubt that will happen, i’m just saying its definitely possible, i think this one will surprise a lot of people and go deep into the third round or possibly even to a decision…

All i have to say now is all of these people are now trash talking chuck. And when he had the title he was invincible. Chuck standup game was the best when he held the title and all of you people just wanna put chuck down. Remember this when chuck gets he title back all you people can say yeah i was the little fairy who wrote those stupid post about him but now i like. All of you wankers need to go pi$$ off!

Swinging4Fences
Aug 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 am Quote this comment
Chuck wouldnt have a chance with the likes of Shogun or Hendo. Is it just his style, or does he look incredibly sluggish on his feet (i.e.,flat footed). Has he always had that beer gut?

Perfect example here. And the yes hes always had the beer gut and been flat footed you wanker.

Who cares who Chuck fights…….where is the after party is the important part….

Because he’s better at everything than Chuck? Owns two belts, fights better competition, and Chuck is old and just got one punched by Rampage, who isn’t even that well known for his striking ability.

Anyways time will tell for Chuck, and when all is said and done he will not be considered the best LHW of all time, so why argue about it?

Im not arguin bout nuttin mofo,but Chuck would KO henderson! No Argument!

It always comes down to money. I would much rather see Chuck fight Shogun but the UFC is playing this smart. I don’t think Chuck picked his opponent and here’s why.

The UFC knows they are going to get huge PPV numbers at 76 soley because Chuck is fighting regardless of who his opponent is. Shogun in my opinion and many others is the top light heavyweight in the world, but the casual fan (new fans to the UFC in the past year since its gone mainstream) doesn’t have a clue who Shogun is. The casual fan doesn’t come to these sites like us hardcore fans do (at least for the most part). Shogun could be Elvis Sinosic for all they know. So there’s no point in having him fight Chuck now cause it’s not going to make them anymore money than if Chuck fights Jardine. They need to introduce Shogun to the mainstream audience with someone the casual fan does know, Forrest, who he will most likely maul so the mainstream audience will become familiar with him.

From there, my prediction is, Shogun will get the next title shot at winner Rampage/Henderson, and most likely win. Chuck will hopefully and its looking like will face “the axe murderer” (by far the best nickname in MMA). Assuming Chuck already beat Jardine, and he goes and beats Wand, it would set up a HUGE title match between Shogun (whom everyone knows by this point) and the Iceman. That’s how I see it going and how I believe the UFC can maximize its dollar.

Of course, with all the upsets recently who the hell knows what could happen.

Hands down the most intelligent statement of these listed. As much as everyone hates to admit it, myself included UFC=$$$. It is a business. That is what happened when the Feretta (sp) brothers bought it and put Dana in charge. You have to look at the big picture, and what is in line in the future. Why waste such a huge talent like “Shogun” on a card that realy is an introduction. “Hello World this is Shogun Rua, and he is a bad bad MAN!” MArketing is everything, it is what makes the UFC the UFC. They draw the best talent because the money they have to offer. IT does not compare by boxing standards, monetarly, but it still is the King Kong of MMA, especially with the aquasition of Pride.

I also take Forest in what will be another 2007 upset. The fight will be awesome, with tons of feeling out, but I see Shogun having a disappointing debut. It’s just a gut feeling, though I usually enjoy Griffin’s fights.

And no, I’m not a TUF newby. I’m a huge fan of the sport making a prediction. Can’t wait for the first tomato can to tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about…

I still have to go with Shogun on this one but we may all be in for a big shock. Punch Forrest, punch!

Chuck is a bit lazy, he’s been fighting a lot of guys who are perfect for his style and he just punches now.

Liddell is 8 months older than Henderson, yet Chuck is “just old”?

The hate in this thread is incredible. Go back to Sherdog ffs. We don’t want this crap here.

You can hate Chuck and still love UFC. Chuck Liddell does not = UFC you know.

Remember that old saying “if it ain’t broke- don’t fix it”. Liddel was the undisputed UFC LHW champ for many years so even if YOU don’t prefer his style, hell- it worked for him. And even though Rampage has Liddell’s number, the Iceman is #2 in the world in my book until someone else (like Shogun, Silva, Henderson) also beats him.

Hard to argue that. Chuck is just too one dimensional now, even compared to himself of 3-4 years ago. I’d rather see a more dynamic fighter hold the belt. I used to be a huge Chuck fan but I just think his time has passed. Still like him and respect his career but I don’t really root for him anymore.

Go chuck.

Hell i dunno anymore so many rumors all the time. I like Liddell i dont care if he losses all the fights the rest of his career i will still like him in the end. I hope he does better than that lol but even if he dont im a fan. Does it suck that oppenents may be being handpicked yeah but lifes a b1tch i’ll still watch the fights.

All this hand picking shit is just garbage…. UFC is a business, u cant destroy your investments, u have to cultivate em, build them up.

I dont hear any of u bitching about Tito hand picking his opponants. A guy who claims to be the best in the world but wont fight anyone in the top ten in the last 5 years except (chuck n randy)

If people r gonna complain about Liddell, then 1 wanna hear u bitching about Tito… U really think Liddell would have wasted 3 fights on ken shamrock?

Come on!

There’s no way the UFC would let any of its fighters pick who they will fight. There’s just too much money at stake. They may ask some of their best guys, like Chuck, what their input is, but in the end its going to be Dana and Joe’s decision.

I dont hear any of u bitching about Tito hand picking his opponants. A guy who claims to be the best in the world but wont fight anyone in the top ten in the last 5 years except (chuck n randy)
If people r gonna complain about Liddell, then 1 wanna hear u bitching about Tito… U really think Liddell would have wasted 3 fights on ken shamrock?

Are you serious? There is 100 times the amount of Tito bashing as there is Chuck bashing. You just happen to be reading a thread about Chuck. If you go read some threads on Tito, you will see that he gets hated on 100 times more.

All i have to say now is all of these people are now trash talking chuck. And when he had the title he was invincible. Chuck standup game was the best when he held the title and all of you people just wanna put chuck down. Remember this when chuck gets he title back all you people can say yeah i was the little fairy who wrote those stupid post about him but now i like. All of you wankers need to go pi$$ off!

Maybe cause some of us feel that pride had a much stronger LHW division and when a good(not even top) Pride fighter like Rampage takes Chuck out easily we have the right to feel that other better pride fighters would do the same. Chuck had his day, made his money & it’s time to move over. ONCE AGAIN THIS IS NOT A HEADLINE FIGHT….IT’S ALMOST AS BAD AS 72’S. No pride main event ever featured two fighters who had just lost.

Ha, sorry no tomato can here. I like your Forrest prediction. Now that I think about it:
1) Noone is giving Forrest any chance against Shogun- ala GSP-Serra, Jardine-Alexander, Minotauro-Herring (c’mon, Herring threw the fight).
2) Pride stars have been very jittery in their UFC debut: Herring, Rampage, Minotauro (at the hands of a settled down Herring). Only Crocop looked like Crocop but Sanchez did nothing try to take it to him like Gonzaga did.
3) Forrest is an experienced UFC scrapper with excellent cardio. He’s bloody at the end of many of his fights, win or lose. Shogun looks pretty clean at the end of most of his fights. He’s used to easily destroying his opponents.

I still have to go with Shogun on this one but we may all be in for a big shock. Punch Forrest, punch!

Completely agree with your idea about the Herring fight. In my mind there are two things that suggest this was a fixed fight. A). The ref should have stopped the fight. I’ve not talked to one person who would have had a problem with a stoppage. Plus, I’ve seen refs call fights where the fighters were clearly in better shape than Nog was in after the head kick. B). Herring did nothing to finish the fight after Nog was clearly in another world. He had the chance, and did nothing…and he’s not a weak or unaggressive fighter. I hope I’m wrong (about the fix), but what else can be said?

Are you serious? There is 100 times the amount of Tito bashing as there is Chuck bashing. You just happen to be reading a thread about Chuck. If you go read some threads on Tito, you will see that he gets hated on 100 times more.

And RIGHTFULLY SO!

But chuck has fought tough people in his career, Im just a lil pissed that people seem to be putting him in that pussy category Tito is in. Chuck could be in trouble with the new bulked up 205 division, and his underconditioning, and aging.
But we cant say he hand picked his fights. Chuck has fought tough dudes throught his career:
Monson, Vitor, Randleman, babalu 2, tito 2, randy 3, rampage 2, alistar overeem, Jose “pele” landi. If thats a hand picked career then he’s 1 crazy dude!

But chuck has fought tough people in his career, Im just a lil pissed that people seem to be putting him in that pussy category Tito is in. Chuck could be in trouble with the new bulked up 205 division, and his underconditioning, and aging.
But we cant say he hand picked his fights. Chuck has fought tough dudes throught his career:
Monson, Vitor, Randleman, babalu 2, tito 2, randy 3, rampage 2, alistar overeem, Jose “pele” landi. If thats a hand picked career then he’s 1 crazy dude!

Yeah I don’t think most poeple are saying that aobut Chuck, unless they don’t konw what they are talking about. Chuck is the man, would fight anybody anytime. He wasnt fed people that fit well with his style, it was coincidance, at that time period those grapplers were the best contendars in the division, the people that could beat him were in Pride, Chuck is the man. He is gonna smash Jardine.

I love this… the same mentality that most people on MMA boards/forums had when Hughes got KOd is the same stance people are taking with Chuck. He is washed up… ITS ONE LOSS in like 4 years.

Btw Mania, link looks like its fuxxored

is chuck still going t fight tommy the duke morrison and dana white is chuck’s manager of for sure he is