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I love how people “dont have a chin” whenever they get knocked out or tko’d. I hope GSP kicks kos in the face.

by i_did_a_mistake on Jul 29, 2007 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

KOS is going to get knocked out or he will tap but he does have a punchers chance just like anyone else would.

Good Night KOS!

by Jo on Jul 29, 2007 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

i like the flames surrounding kos… he is a huge flamer (yes petty and terrible joke.. but hey i hate kos)
gsp is going to kill kos if you watch his fight with sanchez you’ll see that his head is straight up and down with his chin exposed the entire time… nighty night kos

by steveland on Jul 29, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

kos needs to get knocked out again

by dahmer on Jul 29, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope that gsp breaks kos face and then he will have the weak chin.

by smiley on Jul 29, 2007 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha thats cute, KO’s has no idea whats coming. No heart? He hasnt fought nearly the competition that GSP has, hes in for a bad night.

by ACanadianPotHead on Jul 29, 2007 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh wow, such big words from such a little man. Kos better bring a sleeping bag and a Pillow after he gets KTFO by GSP. Kos is gonna get to over aggressive in this fight and get caught. George’s is gonna agrivate him during the first round. And this is hows its gonna go down, Kos is gonna try and come in for a take down and GSP is gonna catch him with a spinning kick to the head and drop him like the pos that he is…. dont forget your pacifier Kos !!!!

by Chris on Jul 29, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

so many Kos haters…I love GSP and i think he’s gonna win this one but not by KO, it will go all the way for a decision and it will be a close one. Kos is just too strong of a wrestler and his stand up has improved a great deal. GSP will fight a very defensive fight cuz of being KO’ed by Serra, so we won’t see the aggressive GSP that KTFO of Hughes…to bad but he’ll still get the decision

by jjdnb on Jul 29, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Koscheck is going to need a lot more than that to beat Pierre.

by c-war on Jul 29, 2007 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos may be right though, GSP doesn’t have ‘blond curls’ either and I think that could be the deciding factor here. I think the intimidation of facing an opponent with a bleached she-fro should not be overlooked one bit. Kos is truly an imposing figure.

by flassasin24 on Jul 29, 2007 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok Josh Mr Known KO Power Koscheck. GSP showed a lot of heart when he fought BJ Penn, Koscheck needs to stfu and go away.

by Raiderfan on Jul 29, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I want to see GSP mince Koshcheck through the fence,I hate him and his family.

by mcanena on Jul 29, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos will get his ass whooped. He barely beat Sanchez, if you want to even call that a win. If GSP puts it on Kos like he did to Hughes, then Kos doesnt have a chance. Personaly, I think Serra just got lucky and GSP just had a bad day. Bottom line, that cocky prick Kos(awesome nickname by the way) is going down.

by the_mexicutioner on Jul 29, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh wow, such big words from such a little man. Kos better bring a sleeping bag and a Pillow after he gets KTFO by GSP. Kos is gonna get to over aggressive in this fight and get caught. George’s is gonna agrivate him during the first round. And this is hows its gonna go down, Kos is gonna try and come in for a take down and GSP is gonna catch him with a spinning kick to the head and drop him like the pos that he is…. dont forget your pacifier Kos !!!!

Bring his blanket…? He is the “blanket”! HAHA

by CHUCKBACCA on Jul 29, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

gsp is good but kos is the future of the welterweight division

by themxicanhnter on Jul 29, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

KOS says he is going to hit him like he did Sanchez and he will go to sleep? What a joke! He barely touched Sanchez. He is in for a brutal KO.

by Jake on Jul 29, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha thats cute, KO’s has no idea whats coming. No heart? He hasnt fought nearly the competition that GSP has, hes in for a bad night.

Do you not recall him beating Sanchez, who beat Karo Parisyan, Nick Diaz, Kenny Florian, and Joe Riggs. They must not have an impressive enough resume for you. True Kos hasn’t fought the quantity of good fighters that GSP has, but I wouldn’t say that he hasn’t met the quality of fighters that he has, and I’d say that Sanchez has earned the right to be called quality. good thing it’s one fight at a time. might I add that Karo beat Serra who knocked out GSP. With GSP coming off a TKO loss, I’m taking Koscheck in the upset, just throwing that out there, think about it if you want.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

kos needs to get knocked out again

I agree. I hope St pierre hitse him square in the gut wit a spinning back kick n finish him wit a flying knee a la david “the crow” louasso. But seriouslly even if GSP doesnt finish him, he will definetly come out wit a humbling, and dominating 3 round beatdown.

Steveland, u make a great point.. kos needs to keep his chin tucked…or he will get clipped… Im predicting a dominating 3 rd unanimous decision by GSP

by john on Jul 29, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

left high kick sonn

by WhenInDoubtKnockEmOut on Jul 29, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I think kos wins by (t)ko in the first, i dont care for Kos but i see him winning!

by thenovemberact on Jul 29, 2007 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

The last thing in the world I wanna be is the next guy ti face GSP.

jjdnb- guess again. GSP early in second.

 steveland- I liked it!

by darlyn on Jul 29, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

gsp is good but kos is the future of the welterweight division

Yeah, I think you are forgetting that GSP is the younger one of hte two. Actually, I dont think you even knew that to begin with.

by Mahde on Jul 29, 2007 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you not recall him beating Sanchez, who beat Karo Parisyan, Nick Diaz, Kenny Florian, and Joe Riggs. They must not have an impressive enough resume for you. True Kos hasn’t fought the quantity of good fighters that GSP has, but I wouldn’t say that he hasn’t met the quality of fighters that he has, and I’d say that Sanchez has earned the right to be called quality. good thing it’s one fight at a time. might I add that Karo beat Serra who knocked out GSP. With GSP coming off a TKO loss, I’m taking Koscheck in the upset, just throwing that out there, think about it if you want.

 Yeah it doesnt work like that dummy, otherwise Gonzaga would be number 2 in the world….I guess your not too educated, but just cause someone beats someone, doesnt mean they can beat anyone the other guy fought. Nice try sweetheart, GSP will run through KOS….expect it.

by ACanadianPotHead on Jul 29, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

ok, understanably MMAth doesn’t work a lot of the time, but seriously why all the kos hate? i think kos’ standup is good enough to exchange and dance around before the takedown. i think kos has more of a chance than a lot of you think. mind you matt hughes got destroyed when he didn’t go full hearted for the take down, and if kos does, i think he’ll win.

i think the odds favor GSP a little more than they should.

by mike on Jul 29, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

kos needs to get knocked out again

When did Kos get knocked out before?

Koshcheck’s being an a$$ (intentional dollar signs). He’s the future Tito Ortiz everyone will love to hate. Remember Tito and Rashad’s fight eclipsing the two title fights in fan interest? As long as Koshcheck wins more than he loses he’s going to be quite a revenue producer. He might never get an actual title shot but he’ll bring in the fans who want to see him get pummeled.

by Mamas Boy on Jul 29, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you not recall him beating Sanchez, who beat Karo Parisyan, Nick Diaz, Kenny Florian, and Joe Riggs. They must not have an impressive enough resume for you. True Kos hasn’t fought the quantity of good fighters that GSP has, but I wouldn’t say that he hasn’t met the quality of fighters that he has, and I’d say that Sanchez has earned the right to be called quality. good thing it’s one fight at a time. might I add that Karo beat Serra who knocked out GSP. With GSP coming off a TKO loss, I’m taking Koscheck in the upset, just throwing that out there, think about it if you want.

Just because Kos beat Sanchez, dosen’t mean he automatically holds wins over Karo, Diaz, Florian and Riggs. You assume he just transfers his whole resume to his own just because he beat Sanchez..

by Brandon on Jul 29, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos got knocked out by that knee…don’t remember the dudes name though…

As far as saying “GSP has no heart or a good chin”??? WTF is he talking about. If he’s making this conclusion based on the Matt Serra fight, he should watch it again. The punch that rocked him hit him behind the ear. That has nothing to do with a good “chin”. I realize the “button” in on the chin, but it was the punch behind the ear that rocked him.

No hear??? Hhaahahhaaha….what a doosch….I can’t stand this guy. BJ Penn beat the shit out of GSP in the first round of their fight. Georges, re-grouped, changed his game plan and won the second and thrid round. That’s heart buddy…..

I don’t understand this Koscheck….the guy doesn’t seem too
inteligent. Watch this vid that was posted only a year ago, and listen to the way KOS is talking about GSP. Now he’s saying all this bs.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PvgLNQ3mlWk

I can’t wait for Georges to “run a clinic” on thi wrestler.

by Mark Johannus on Jul 29, 2007 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you not recall him beating Sanchez, who beat Karo Parisyan, Nick Diaz, Kenny Florian, and Joe Riggs. They must not have an impressive enough resume for you. True Kos hasn’t fought the quantity of good fighters that GSP has, but I wouldn’t say that he hasn’t met the quality of fighters that he has, and I’d say that Sanchez has earned the right to be called quality. good thing it’s one fight at a time. might I add that Karo beat Serra who knocked out GSP. With GSP coming off a TKO loss, I’m taking Koscheck in the upset, just throwing that out there, think about it if you want.

Sanchez was half-dead from staff infection and almost had to retire leading up to the bout because they thought he had Hep C. So yeah, that is good that Koscheck got away with one in that fight, because when he gets in there and GSP sprawls out of his takedowns, spin kicks him in the jaw, and mauls him against the fence until he pisses in his jock he will realize how lucky he had been so far. GSP will murder this putz and he will have the title again very soon

by Hardcase on Jul 29, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Koscheck was a D1 4 time all American wrestler, and a National Champion in College. This isn’t some fluke chump fighter, GSP better be ready for the takedown. Also, Koscheck wasn’t knocked out by a knee, he was submitted via rear naked choke to drew fickett, I believe you’re thinking of Matt Hughes when he shot in on Jose Landi-Jons and took a knee to the head.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re right…he took a kneee, then got choked out…my bad. I respect his Wrestling resume, but GSP is a VERY good wrestler as well. He doesn’t that the credential, because he was training MMA while KOS was in college doing wrestling.

by Mark Johannus on Jul 29, 2007 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m so glad Kos said what he said now GSP will look to make an example of him, Kos may just die in the octagon on 25th.

RYAN – what is your point
“Do you not recall him beating Sanchez, who beat Karo Parisyan…”.

First he beat Sanchez but it was by decision based on a match where he inflicted little to no damage. That proves nothing. You can’t give him props because of the people Sanchez has beaten and he happened to beat Sanchez.

by Holdin Ropes on Jul 29, 2007 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s not as if he caught Sanchez, he fought better than Sanchez. He beat him in a striking match, which is not his strong point, he’s clearly the better wrestler so if they would have tied up, he would have benefited from that. You’re correct, I admit I was in the wrong in stating that since he beat Sanchez, in turn he beat everyone Sanchez has fought. With the exception of a few people on here, nobody is giving Koscheck a chance in this fight. I’m sure it would have sounded similar if this was a post before the GSP Serra fight, after Serra said he was going to shock the world. Look what happened there, people here act as if Koscheck doesn’t stand a chance, when in fact he is a better fighter than Serra.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Sanchez was half-dead from staff infection and almost had to retire leading up to the bout because they thought he had Hep C. So yeah, that is good that Koscheck got away with one in that fight, because when he gets in there and GSP sprawls out of his takedowns, spin kicks him in the jaw, and mauls him against the fence until he pisses in his jock he will realize how lucky he had been so far. GSP will murder this putz and he will have the title again very soon

If you want to make up excuses, GSP beat Matt Hughes after kicking him in the groin twice.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Besides, haven’t you guys seen the video game film on you tube, Josh Koscheck by knockout, it’s gotta be true, haha.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

gsp is good but kos is the future of the welterweight division

just a little side note… gsp is 26 years old while kos is 29… gsp is the current and future for the welterweight devision.

by steveland on Jul 29, 2007 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

gsp is good but kos is the future of the welterweight division

Yeah, Kos will dominate WEC’s WW division.

by Pat on Jul 29, 2007 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

wouldn’t Serra be the now of the WW division since he just beat GSP for the belt, GSP could be the future I guess. GSP is a great fighter, I just think Koscheck is more than a worthy opponent, and everyone here is sleeping on him.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

GSP is younger, but has been fighting since 2002, Kos started in 2004, he is still growing, giving him a lot more potential than previously shown.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree that koshceck has a better chance than serra I still think serra only had a 10% chance and it was a lucky hit to the back of the head that won that fight, it happens. I give koscheck a 25% chance of winning this one, georges is so freaking strong, very close to as good a wrestler as koscheck, better at submissions and is a better striker. If koscheck is a 10 as a wrestler I give st.pierre a 9.5 and with georges being strong as hell, koscheck will have a hard time taking him down. I predict a second round tko win for gsp with gsp shocking a lot of people with his ability to stuff koschecks take down attempts . Koscheck will try to stand with gsp and get overwelmed and go for take down after take down and get denied. He’s going to get careless in his desperation and make a mistake and get tko’ed. Gsp is going to fight like he’s never fought before and impress anyone watching the fight.

by nathan on Jul 29, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos is just trying to give people a reason to want to watch him fight, since he has the personality of a dead horse and the character of a swine, and the entertainment value of Barney and Friends in a foreign language.

by DirtyML on Jul 29, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Koscheck by blanket/unanimous decision. Too many posts to read, am I the first? :)

by KneeToTheFace on Jul 29, 2007 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Koscheck has beaten no one but a listless Sanchez. He’s never been in there with a fighter of GSP’s ability, while GSP has fought Karo, Hughes (twice), Penn, and Sherk. Koscheck has that outside chance that almost every fighter has, but otherwise, he’ll probably get dominated.

by Big_B on Jul 29, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

gsp is good but kos is the future of the welterweight division

KOS is right in this Vid “GSP is #1 or #2 in THE WORLD” and he was right in saying it is going to be a true test for him.I am willing to bet that HUGHES is KOS’s IDOL and he will get schooled like Hughes.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PvgLNQ3mlWk

KOS, Hughes will welcome you into his prayer group and church. Hughes will also pray with you and for you…….It did not work for him against GSP.

(Sorry I just went to http://www.matt-hughes.com/blog.html

I just find it kinda odd how he mixes religion into MMA) I am sure that could be a topic on it’s own.

by Jo on Jul 29, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s been in there with Sanchez, like you said, because he hasn’t had the opportunity to fight as many people as GSP doesn’t mean he’s not as good. It’s not as if he’s been losing, so he hasn’t worked his way up to the big fights like GSP, He just hasn’t been fighting as long, GSP has 2 more years. Hughes beat GSP once, People must have forgotten that, they are 1 and 1 against each other.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

If you want to make up excuses, GSP beat Matt Hughes after kicking him in the groin twice.

Hahaha. Getting grazed in the junk slightly is a whole different story than staff infection buddy. And Hughes also played up the groin kick because he was genuinely confused and did not know how to contend with GSP. He was baffled and overmatched for the whole fight. Hughes took only a few seconds to recover, which likely tells you he was not that hurt, after which he fought the rest of the round before eating a superman punch and the following combo that would have ended him if not for the bell. Then he had the break and another few minutes for his balls to recover before St. Pierre soundly crushed him. Not even close to comparable.

It’s not an excuse about why Sanchez lost, personally I hate Sanchez nearly as much as I hate Koscheck. But fighting a guy and half-speed who is very ill and doesn’t even look like the same fighter means that you still win the fight, but you shouldn’t go around gloating and thinking you have had some monumental victory. In that state Koscheck should have shitkicked Diego. Instead he chose to suck and hang around for fifteen minutes and take the decision.

It’s still a win, but not any yardstick for how he will perform against GSP. A healthy Sanchez isn’t even in the same realm as GSP. Had Koscheck beat him down I would give him some props, but with the shitty performance he put on to decision Sanchez, he gets no respect and likely gets to die on August 25th. Partially due to his own arrogance and stupidity.

by Hardcase on Jul 29, 2007 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

GSP is younger, but has been fighting since 2002, Kos started in 2004, he is still growing, giving him a lot more potential than previously shown.

So you’re saying less experience means more potential? By that reasoning, I have loads of potential since I have no professional experience! lol

by Pat on Jul 29, 2007 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a smart move by Kos at all. GSP is at his worst when he is fighting someone he likes and respects, ala his losses to Hughes and Serra. When GSP is pissed off, ala Hughes part 2, watch out.

So Jo, what are you trying to say, if you are an MMA fighter you can’t believe in God?

by Tim on Jul 29, 2007 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t believe all the Kos haters out there. Man, Kos is the man. No one else has a black belt in the lost art of Blanketing. Kos has perfected the ways of the blanket and you can see it spreading to other fighters like Sherk. When that body blanket comes at ya, what you goin to do? You guys are just jealous of the awesome blanket power of Kos. There is nothing more exciting than watching the a win by blanket. NO WAIT, whats even more better is watching Kos’s head blow up like a balloon, now thats AWESOME!

by grey on Jul 29, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Poor Koscheck! The guy is afraid!

And he should be…

by EmondRight on Jul 29, 2007 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Serra wrecked GSP during their fight, you would probably say that GSP had a bad fight and got caught. Since GSP is the greatest fighter in the world, anyone that he beats, is always because he is awesome. Hughes was kicked in the nuts twice, you can’t say that didn’t take anything away from him, he’s never one to complain, even after trigg kneed him in the groin, and mario didn’t stop the fight, he didn’t say anything about it. Hughes had a bad strategy against GSP last time, I’ll give you that, he should have taken him down, and not tried to exchange with him, Hughes has a better ground game than GSP. I’m sure they’ll fight again, so we’ll see how that goes. As far as the potential goes, I said more potential than previously shown, not more potential than GSP. He has more room to improve. The more you practice at something, the more proficient you get, at a certain point you will plateau, I’m saying Koscheck will and has improved his game since previous fights. If we fought each other, ending in a draw, and I had been fighting for 10 years, but this was your first fight, chances are, if you got more time to practice, you’ll come out on top in the next meeting.

by Ryan on Jul 29, 2007 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you not recall him beating Sanchez, who beat Karo Parisyan, Nick Diaz, Kenny Florian, and Joe Riggs. They must not have an impressive enough resume for you. True Kos hasn’t fought the quantity of good fighters that GSP has, but I wouldn’t say that he hasn’t met the quality of fighters that he has, and I’d say that Sanchez has earned the right to be called quality. good thing it’s one fight at a time. might I add that Karo beat Serra who knocked out GSP. With GSP coming off a TKO loss, I’m taking Koscheck in the upset, just throwing that out there, think about it if you want.

So what if Karo beat Sera , GSP beat Karo.

by Gord on Jul 30, 2007 12:20 AM EDT reply actions  

This is a genuine example of why people dilike Kos for all the Fans that like him and ask why does evryone hate Kos. Maybe if GSP was an a$$hole this remark would be less irritating. But GSP is one of the nicest guys in the UFC. I understand they like to sh1talk before fights cuz it hypes it. It makes most people overlook Koschecks abilities cuz they just want to see him get crushed. I dont see how hughes gets brought into this clusterf*ck. you cant compare one of the greatest champions the UFC has had to date to Kos.

""If you want to make up excuses, GSP beat Matt Hughes after kicking him in the groin twice""

""Hahaha. Getting grazed in the junk slightly is a whole different story than staff infection buddy. And Hughes also played up the groin kick because he was genuinely confused and did not know how to contend with GSP. He was baffled and overmatched for the whole fight. Hughes took only a few seconds to recover, which likely tells you he was not that hurt, after which he fought the rest of the round before eating a superman punch and the following combo that would have ended him if not for the bell. Then he had the break and another few minutes for his balls to recover before St. Pierre soundly crushed him. Not even close to comparable.""

Hughes already said the low blows effected his thigh more than his groin.

Its a good matchup there both real athletes. GSP has a better skill set than KOS. Is it possible for KOS to win yeah but its more likely that GSP will either KO kos or get the decision. Kos has potential but i still dont rate him top 5. If he beats GSP i’ll move him up to maybe 4th or 5th. His win over diego im gonna basically ignore unless he soundly beats him in a rematch because i like diego im ignorant and i dont like seeing the fighters i like lose.

by Thor1982 on Jul 30, 2007 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s not as if he caught Sanchez, he fought better than Sanchez. He beat him in a striking match, which is not his strong point, he’s clearly the better wrestler so if they would have tied up, he would have benefited from that. You’re correct, I admit I was in the wrong in stating that since he beat Sanchez, in turn he beat everyone Sanchez has fought. With the exception of a few people on here, nobody is giving Koscheck a chance in this fight. I’m sure it would have sounded similar if this was a post before the GSP Serra fight, after Serra said he was going to shock the world. Look what happened there, people here act as if Koscheck doesn’t stand a chance, when in fact he is a better fighter than Serra.

He’s a better wrestler than Sera ,everything else Sera is better at.

by Gord on Jul 30, 2007 12:32 AM EDT reply actions  

The only thing Kos has ever done positive for MMA is beating that punk Diego. He better pray for a miracle to get pass the first round with GSP

by Bluepit on Jul 30, 2007 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I can’t believe all the Kos haters out there. Man, Kos is the man. No one else has a black belt in the lost art of Blanketing. Kos has perfected the ways of the blanket and you can see it spreading to other fighters like Sherk. When that body blanket comes at ya, what you goin to do? You guys are just jealous of the awesome blanket power of Kos. There is nothing more exciting than watching the a win by blanket. NO WAIT, whats even more better is watching Kos’s head blow up like a balloon, now thats AWESOME!

That blanket only works when Kos’s opponent isn’t a big strong wrestlers with an exellent sprall.

by Gord on Jul 30, 2007 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Serra wrecked GSP during their fight, you would probably say that GSP had a bad fight and got caught. Since GSP is the greatest fighter in the world, anyone that he beats, is always because he is awesome. Hughes was kicked in the nuts twice, you can’t say that didn’t take anything away from him, he’s never one to complain, even after trigg kneed him in the groin, and mario didn’t stop the fight, he didn’t say anything about it. Hughes had a bad strategy against GSP last time, I’ll give you that, he should have taken him down, and not tried to exchange with him, Hughes has a better ground game than GSP. I’m sure they’ll fight again, so we’ll see how that goes. As far as the potential goes, I said more potential than previously shown, not more potential than GSP. He has more room to improve. The more you practice at something, the more proficient you get, at a certain point you will plateau, I’m saying Koscheck will and has improved his game since previous fights. If we fought each other, ending in a draw, and I had been fighting for 10 years, but this was your first fight, chances are, if you got more time to practice, you’ll come out on top in the next meeting.

I understand exactly what you are saying, but you obviously don’t, or you would realize this is the reason GSP beat Hughes the 2nd time (Matt had plateaued, GSP got alot better), not because of a kick in the leg (and a little toe tickle on the berries).It’s not that Matt decided not to take GSP down, GSP made that decision for him.

by Gord on Jul 30, 2007 1:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Kos by dec. I’m making the unpopular call. If he gets stomped then I’ll eat crow, but until then my prediction stands!

by Theman on Jul 30, 2007 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Kos needs to get rid of the lame ass fro hairdo…GSP is a machine…he just got lackadaisical w/ Serra…GSP has beaten the absolute best….I doubt KOS is as good of a wrestler, despite any college accalades, as Matt Hughes is….the KOS/Sanchez fight was a joke and Diego was in a shell….if both are at their bests….there is NO debate GSP slaughters KOS by TKO stoppage.

by KINGKONG9 on Jul 30, 2007 2:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Kos got knocked out by that knee…don’t remember the dudes name though…

As far as saying “GSP has no heart or a good chin”??? WTF is he talking about. If he’s making this conclusion based on the Matt Serra fight, he should watch it again. The punch that rocked him hit him behind the ear. That has nothing to do with a good “chin”. I realize the “button” in on the chin, but it was the punch behind the ear that rocked him.

No hear??? Hhaahahhaaha….what a doosch….I can’t stand this guy. BJ Penn beat the shit out of GSP in the first round of their fight. Georges, re-grouped, changed his game plan and won the second and thrid round. That’s heart buddy…..

I don’t understand this Koscheck….the guy doesn’t seem too
inteligent. Watch this vid that was posted only a year ago, and listen to the way KOS is talking about GSP. Now he’s saying all this bs.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PvgLNQ3mlWk

I can’t wait for Georges to “run a clinic” on thi wrestler.

Excellent

by darlyn on Jul 30, 2007 3:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I can remember a guy by the name of Nate Quarry who said Rich Franklin had a weak chin and we all know what happened there.

Can Kos fight? Yeah, he’s better than the majority of bloggers here think, but he’s in for a painful night if he underestimates GSP. Kos has great wrestling. Everybody knows that. But, his striking is not at GSP’s level and if he’s put on his back, I’m not 100% sure about his skills from the bottom.

Matt Serra hits very hard. Ask Karo who almost went out quicker than GSP. So, I don’t think GSP has a weak chin, I think he just didn’t believe Serra could hit that hard. Kos on the other hand, does not hit as hard a Serra.

GSP is coming off of the most devestating loss of his career. Losing the title to one of the biggest if not the biggest, underdogs in the history of the sport. he is going to look to make a statement to get his name, and his title rematch back on track. That is the only chance Kos has to win. Hoping GSP is so anxious to prove himself again that he rushes and makes a mistake.

We all know anything can happen in the octagon, so I’m looking at this fight as possible fight of the night. I think Kos is going to fare better than most of the comments here think, but when it’s over I believe St. Pierre’s hand will be raised.

by getrawbc on Jul 30, 2007 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Kos has balls, who has he fought, that actually means anything to MMA for the most part. GSP has fought the who’s who of the game and has won. GSP beating MAtt Hughes, BJ Penn, Karo, and Trigg should say it all. On top of the way GSP won those matches they were all clear cut wins subs and TKO’s. The 2 biggest names Kos has fought Drew Fickett submitted him for a lose and Diego he won but as unanimous as it was it was nowhere near a GSP win. He did not let it all out, the way GSP does. You can not fight the big names and win with out letting it all out, and that is what makes GSP a champ and KOS a flaming homotestical.

GSP:
Loss Matt Serra Technical Knock Out
Win Matt Hughes Technical Knock Out
Win BJ Penn Split
Win Frank Trigg Submission
Win Jason Miller Unanimous Decision
Loss Matt Hughes Submission
Win Jay Hieron Technical Knock Out
Win Karo Parisyan

KOS:
Win Diego Sanchez Unanimous
Win Jeff Joslin Unanimous Decision
Win Jonathan Goulet Submission
Win Dave Menne Unanimous
Win Ansar Chalangov Submision
Loss Drew Fickett Submission
Win Pete Spratt Submission
Win Chris Sanford Knock Out

by The Monkey on Jul 30, 2007 7:01 AM EDT reply actions  

gsp is good but kos is the future of the welterweight division

What is that supposed to mean GSP is only 26, Koscheck is 29 or 30. GSP is the future, he has the experience and has beaten the names. GSP will be carrying the torch in to the future.

by The Monkey on Jul 30, 2007 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

GSP will know him out. KOS got lucky against Diego in a really non action bout. That bout deserved a rematch. Diego deserves a title match more the KOS. GSP has been the champion and will return the champion just as Matt has stated.

by Hobo on Jul 30, 2007 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Matt Hughes couldn’t take GSP down and GSP is a much better striker than Sanchez. Kos might be in some trouble.

by Raiderfan on Jul 30, 2007 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

You guys fail to realize that this fight will be nothing more then a Traditional Karate point match. Its going to be Danielson VS cobrakai all over again.They are both going to stand there most of the time but GSP will kick him 3 or 4 times per round and win.Snoozer at best.Oh and maybe GSP will stuff a few of KOS’s thalf hearted takedown attempts…..

by Wildbill on Jul 30, 2007 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Gord, I was stating that Kos has fought quality fighters before, I know GSP has beaten Karo Perisyan, and Matt Hughes didn’t even try to take GSP down until he was hurt, even then it was a half assed attempt, if Hughes’s gameplan was to take GSP down early, it would have happened. The Monkey, GSP won the fight against BJ Penn by decision, sorry if that ruins your explanation, Hughes beat Penn By TKO.

by Ryan on Jul 30, 2007 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

gsp is good but kos is the future of the welterweight division

In that case Im gonna stop watching MMA and start watching golf and cricket,it will be more entertaining.
Is that what you want to see,people like Kos grind out a boring desicion,he dosnt care about the fans or the entertainment value aslong as he has a win under his belt.I hope GSP smashes Koshchecks stupid head in.

by mcanena on Jul 30, 2007 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Kos will fight GSP just like like he fought Diego.

by Raiderfan on Jul 30, 2007 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I was going to write out a fair and deep response to Kos, but this is all I have:

GSP will run circles around Kos like he did in GSP-Hughes 2. Your head is going to get smashed in hHAhAhAhHAhahAHHAhaHAhAhahHAhaHA ahAhAh AAhAA!

by ajadoniz on Jul 30, 2007 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

i love all you kos hater’s!! i hope he proves you all wrong!!

by phiansouri on Jul 30, 2007 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

if not liking a fighter who fights in the ufc like its a college wrestling or TKD point match makes me a KOS hater then i’m guilty

by Wildbill on Jul 30, 2007 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

GSP has a weak chin and no heart lol. This is so funny. GSP has so much to lose if he loses this fight. He is probably taking this fight with the most intensity he has ever had! GAP can not lose..he can but he wants that title back! This is going to be a one sided fight. Yes Josh can throw a punch but GSP would pick him apart technically! Josh has the best wrestling but GSP is no slouch…GSP will not be controlled by Josh. I wouldnt be surpised if GSP stuffs all of his takedown attemps. I wouldnt be surprised to see GSP go for the takedown and GNP him and then RNC. This is my prediction im saying it now. RNC for GSP Win. Josh will give his hack when he is getting pummled by elbows to the face, and GSP will sink in the choke regaining respect that is well deserved that was lost by the serra fight. People will consider GSP the man again when he sends Josh into early retirement. lol. I cant wait for GSP title fight!! WAR GSP!!!

by Scott on Jul 30, 2007 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

The chin thing is absolutely retarded. I’m pretty sure BJ tested his chin several times in their fight. The only punch that rocked Georges was Serra’s punch that actually wasn’t even close to his “chin”. That punch hit him behind the ear where their is a vane that effects your equilibrium. If anyone is hit in this spot, you’re balance is completly messed up. Georges got right back and didn’t have a scratch on him….weak chin….hahahah….no heart?? hahahahh….god I can’t stand this guy….I’ve never wanted GSP to beat a guy as bad as I wan’t him to destroy KOS>…

by Mark Johannus on Jul 30, 2007 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

so many Kos haters…I love GSP and i think he’s gonna win this one but not by KO, it will go all the way for a decision and it will be a close one. Kos is just too strong of a wrestler and his stand up has improved a great deal. GSP will fight a very defensive fight cuz of being KO’ed by Serra, so we won’t see the aggressive GSP that KTFO of Hughes…to bad but he’ll still get the decision

..I do think that loss against Serra will play into the psyche of GSP..this should be a War..(F’ a deision)..I hope these two lay it on the line and not have it be judged. Kos coming of a lack luster Victory over Diego..regardless a W..has a confidence buster and GSP after getting KTFO needs one..which are the perfect ingredints for a WAR.

by PhilQNY on Jul 30, 2007 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Anyone know where I can see the Koscheck v. diego sanchez fight? It’s not on the ufc website or youtube

by gregg on Jul 30, 2007 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Kos has balls, who has he fought, that actually means anything to MMA for the most part. GSP has fought the who’s who of the game and has won. GSP beating MAtt Hughes, BJ Penn, Karo, and Trigg should say it all. On top of the way GSP won those matches they were all clear cut wins subs and TKO’s. The 2 biggest names Kos has fought Drew Fickett submitted him for a lose and Diego he won but as unanimous as it was it was nowhere near a GSP win. He did not let it all out, the way GSP does. You can not fight the big names and win with out letting it all out, and that is what makes GSP a champ and KOS a flaming homotestical.

GSP:
Loss Matt Serra Technical Knock Out
Win Matt Hughes Technical Knock Out
Win BJ Penn Split
Win Frank Trigg Submission
Win Jason Miller Unanimous Decision
Loss Matt Hughes Submission
Win Jay Hieron Technical Knock Out
Win Karo Parisyan

You forgot that GSP tooled Sherk between Trigg and Penn.

by Pat on Jul 30, 2007 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

As much as I dislike GSP now I think he is just going to be too much for Kos. I’d love to see him lose but I don’t see it happening. GSP by TKO in RD 3.

by AaronW on Jul 30, 2007 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

If anything the Sera fight showed just how strong of a chin GSP has. Sera hits hard and Gsp took at least 5 good shots before he went down and then at least another 5 shots on the ground and he still wasn’t out. Gsp has a very good chin.

by Gord on Jul 30, 2007 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

If anything the Sera fight showed just how strong of a chin GSP has. Sera hits hard and Gsp took at least 5 good shots before he went down and then at least another 5 shots on the ground and he still wasn’t out. Gsp has a very good chin.

I agree, also, don’t forget that the punch that “rocked” GSP hit him behind his ear….not his chin. I’m pretty sure BJ beating the shit out of him in the first round of their fight shows that his chin is fine…

by Mark Johannus on Jul 30, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone know where I can see the Koscheck v. diego sanchez fight? It’s not on the ufc website or youtube

trust me, you don’t want to see that abysmal showing by both of them. it doesn’t even deserve to be called a fight, bout, performance because it was none of it. bleh, it left a bad taste in my mouth. Kos is very talented, but not enough to defeat GSP.

by ajadoniz on Jul 30, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions  

All I got to say is….GSP vs. Frank Trigg….3 YEARS AGO!!!!

If Georges puts on half the performance of that fight, Kos is in for a world of hurt.

So lets hear everyones comparisons of Kos to Trigg. This should be interesting.

by MWA on Jul 30, 2007 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Koscheck is a real threat in the welter weight division but gsp is too strong and well rounded for him, koscheck has never faced anyone close to gsp’s abilities. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, the only way gsp can lose in by some freak occurance example: lose a round by eye poke followed by clipping his nose affecting his breathing and see double for the round or getting clipped to the back of the head affecting his equalibrium, only way gsp loses mark my words, no way he loses by decision he’s too good.

by nathan on Jul 30, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree that koshceck has a better chance than serra I still think serra only had a 10% chance and it was a lucky hit to the back of the head that won that fight, it happens. I give koscheck a 25% chance of winning this one, georges is so freaking strong, very close to as good a wrestler as koscheck, better at submissions and is a better striker. If koscheck is a 10 as a wrestler I give st.pierre a 9.5 and with georges being strong as hell, koscheck will have a hard time taking him down. I predict a second round tko win for gsp with gsp shocking a lot of people with his ability to stuff koschecks take down attempts . Koscheck will try to stand with gsp and get overwelmed and go for take down after take down and get denied. He’s going to get careless in his desperation and make a mistake and get tko’ed. Gsp is going to fight like he’s never fought before and impress anyone watching the fight.

I couln’t have said it better myself!

by john on Jul 30, 2007 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

EVERY BODY FREE TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT, BUT I HAVER NEVER SEEN GSP SAYING THINGS ABOUT A FIGTHER. I HOPE GSP WINS THAT FIGHT

by Raul on Jul 30, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

So what if Karo beat Sera , GSP beat Karo.

Gord, if you dont mind I’d like to add that we should not forget that Serra nearly KO’d Karo with the first punch he threw but didnt follow up in the same fashion as he did with GSP which allowed Karo to regroup & win that fight. Had GSP managed to regroup, Serra would have lost that fight.

People tend to overlook the fact that HOW you win a fight and HOW you lose a fight is just as important as the W or L itself. It’s the series of events, prior & during the fight which are the greatest indicators.

by machine on Jul 30, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

This guy talks to damn much for me. if he beats GSp then maybe he can be considered but he’s not that impressive against top tier talent

by Stafo on Jul 30, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

guys, everytime on this site i click on a video link and see nothing, where can i see this video!?!?!

someone send me an email please

by Paul De Lio on Jul 30, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I just wish the real diego would have shown up, the old diego who loves to ground and pound and not the one who thinks he’s got dangerous hands. I know everyone will say, “but koscheck is a top wrestler and diego can’t get him down”, he never tried and should have tried to tied up with kocheck and go for the clinch every chance he gets because I feel diego is the superior grappler and has the ability to submit koscheck. Koscheck would win in a wrestling match but this isn’t wrestling so many elements involved, things you can’t do in wrestling but can in a mma match. I wish diego would have won that one but he didn’t so we’ll get to see Koscheck get put in his place, and once and for all get truly man handled

by nathan on Jul 30, 2007 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos by dec. I’m making the unpopular call. If he gets stomped then I’ll eat crow, but until then my prediction stands!

Well I hope you like crow, cause Kos has no chance in hell.

by bluepit on Jul 30, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos is just trying to give people a reason to want to watch him fight, since he has the personality of a dead horse and the character of a swine, and the entertainment value of Barney and Friends in a foreign language.

Did you not watch Season 1 of TUF??? KOS has plenty of personality. But he has the kind of personality that makes people hate him and that’s the reason that alot of people want to see him get KTFO.

I don’t know, maybe I was the minority, but I hated KOS and Bobby Southworth on Season 1.

by ViolentMike on Jul 30, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone know where I can see the Koscheck v. diego sanchez fight? It’s not on the ufc website or youtube

You dont wanna watch it man,Kos fights with the most boring stratagy ever and you can see Diegos mind is not right,Kos lands quite a few clean shots and they dont look to hurt Diego one bit,I dont know what makes him think hes got KO power all of a sudden.

by mcanena on Jul 30, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you not watch Season 1 of TUF??? KOS has plenty of personality. But he has the kind of personality that makes people hate him and that’s the reason that alot of people want to see him get KTFO.

I don’t know, maybe I was the minority, but I hated KOS and Bobby Southworth on Season 1.

I hated them two aswell.

by mcanena on Jul 30, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that St. Pierre will win because of his stand-up advantage. He should throw a lot of leg kicks, because Kos is extremely athletic and GSP needs to take away some of his mobility.

by 12121212 on Jul 30, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos by dec. I’m making the unpopular call. If he gets stomped then I’ll eat crow, but until then my prediction stands!

Well I hope you like crow, cause Kos has no chance in hell.[/quote
Everbody’s entitled to their opinion Blue, but Kos is gonna win. Mark my words, I called it here. No way GSP is a better wrestler. Josh’s standup isn’t bad either. As long as he doesn’t bull charge from across the octogon for a double and get caught with a knee, he’s very game. The only advantage GSP might have is his standup. He’s not much of a submission guy, and Kos has him credentials wise in wrestling. Let’s wait and see what happens.

by bluepit on Jul 30, 2007 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Well I hope you like crow, cause Kos has no chance in hell.


I guess we’ll see, but the only advantage I see GSP having is in his standup. Keep in mind Kos is newer to the game and he’s still coming into his own. His standup has been improving. I know GSP is an exceptional wrestler, but people have to give the ground game to Kos if it comes to play. I know GSP is tough to take down, but Josh is tougher.

by Theman on Jul 30, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally some people agree that being the caliber wrestler of Josh Koscheck, you’d have to keep your distance to do some serious damage to him. I don’t care if GSP trains in wrestling, he doesn’t have the skill in the clinch that a D-1 national champion has. Frank Trigg, great wrestler, Matt Hughes, great wrestler, Randy Couture, a great wrestler none of them were ever a national champion. this is a feat that some people are taking for granted I think.

by Ryan on Jul 30, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally some people agree that being the caliber wrestler of Josh Koscheck, you’d have to keep your distance to do some serious damage to him. I don’t care if GSP trains in wrestling, he doesn’t have the skill in the clinch that a D-1 national champion has. Frank Trigg, great wrestler, Matt Hughes, great wrestler, Randy Couture, a great wrestler none of them were ever a national champion. this is a feat that some people are taking for granted I think.

Dosnt matter, I don’t even care about what he has accomplished on paper, I have seen him fight and wrestle. Kos does not have advantage on the ground, feet, or anywhere. It is gonna be a baaaaad night for Kos. Bottom line. GSP is stronger.

by The Anomaly on Jul 30, 2007 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Frank Trigg, great wrestler, Matt Hughes, great wrestler, Randy Couture, a great wrestler none of them were ever a national champion.

Randy Couture was a 4-time greco-roman national champion.

by 12121212 on Jul 30, 2007 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Randy Couture was a 4-time greco-roman national champion.


Yeah the person who wrote that was def making way to much of Kos’s wrestling, I don’t get the Randy comparison anyway, hughes and Trigg are poeple GSP has fought and over come there wrestling(well, not Hughes’s wrestling), why throw Randy in there?
I think that says something thought, I know technique wise Kos is better than Hughes, but I think in a grappling match Hughes would smash Kos, there is more than pure wrestling at play here, and although Hughes did slightly better on the ground against Pierre, GSP did pretty good, I think well enough to smash Kos any day.

by The Anomaly on Jul 30, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a smart move by Kos at all. GSP is at his worst when he is fighting someone he likes and respects, ala his losses to Hughes and Serra. When GSP is pissed off, ala Hughes part 2, watch out.

So Jo, what are you trying to say, if you are an MMA fighter you can’t believe in God?

Nothing wrong with believing in your religion and being an MMA fighter, but I do find his beliefs a little odd considering how much he considers him self as a religious person yet he is such a cocky and arrogant person and dissrespectful to others.
 Also how he compares different writings in the bible to his fights…..come on don’t you find that a little strange.

by Jo on Jul 30, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

An Added quick note to my comment from the other day. Kos says he has knockout power, the dude has only had one knockout in his 8 UFC bouts. His 1 knockout was on the Tuf 1 finale against Chris Sanford, Thats right Chris Sandford ( WHO ??? ) where is he now. Kos will reconsider ever stepping into an Octagon after GSP picks him apart till Kos gets KTFO. Wouldnt it be so funny if when Kos is unconcious GSP picks him up and use’s that nasty fro of his to wipe Kos blood up off the mat !!!!!

by Chris on Jul 30, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing wrong with believing in your religion and being an MMA fighter, but I do find his beliefs a little odd considering how much he considers him self as a religious person yet he is such a cocky and arrogant person and dissrespectful to others.
Also how he compares different writings in the bible to his fights…..come on don’t you find that a little strange.

I hope you are discrediting Hughes and not Christianity.

by The Anomaly on Jul 30, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Well I hope you like crow, cause Kos has no chance in hell.[/quote
Everbody’s entitled to their opinion Blue, but Kos is gonna win. Mark my words, I called it here. No way GSP is a better wrestler. Josh’s standup isn’t bad either. As long as he doesn’t bull charge from across the octogon for a double and get caught with a knee, he’s very game. The only advantage GSP might have is his standup. He’s not much of a submission guy, and Kos has him credentials wise in wrestling. Let’s wait and see what happens.

Gsp is not much of a submission guy if you concider 31% submission wins not much.

by Gord on Jul 30, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Nothing wrong with believing in your religion and being an MMA fighter, but I do find his beliefs a little odd considering how much he considers him self as a religious person yet he is such a cocky and arrogant person and dissrespectful to others.
Also how he compares different writings in the bible to his fights…..come on don’t you find that a little strange.

Comparing fights to the bible strange??? not at all the Bible is violent. Diego is way more outwardly religious than Hughes.

by Thor1982 on Jul 30, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally some people agree that being the caliber wrestler of Josh Koscheck, you’d have to keep your distance to do some serious damage to him. I don’t care if GSP trains in wrestling, he doesn’t have the skill in the clinch that a D-1 national champion has. Frank Trigg, great wrestler, Matt Hughes, great wrestler, Randy Couture, a great wrestler none of them were ever a national champion. this is a feat that some people are taking for granted I think.

I’m not sure if Otto Olsen is a recognizable name to most of you, but he came on the scene in ADCC in 2003. He won all of his three first matches and lost only to Marcelo Garcia, you can find the match on YouTube. He wrestled for Michigan in college and became the top ranked 174 pound wrester.

Now how does this relate to GSP and Kos? Well who did Otto Olsen beat to become the number one ranked 174 pound wrester? You guessed it: Koscheck.

Ok, so how does GSP fall into this? Well GSP actually defeated Otto Olsen in a submission grappling match! Thats right, ADCC runner-up and NCAA champion wrestler Otto Olsen lost to GSP during ADCC 2005 (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance…to-olsen_sport. And its not like GSP won with a quick submission or “caught” Olsen, he grinded out a decision, usually the route taken by the better wrestler.

So what I’m trying to say is although Koscheck is a great wrester (some would argue he has the best wrestling credential in MMA history), he will not have an easy time against GSP and could, fairly likely, end up on his back! People don’t realize just how good of a wrestler GSP is. He does not have the credentials as KOS does, but he never persued wrestler, he jumped right into pull-time MMA fighting.

by Mark Johannus on Jul 30, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, bad link.

GSP vs Otto Olson

by Mark Johannus on Jul 30, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Otto Olsen/video/x1wkbp_georges-st-pierre-vs-otto-olsen_sport

by Mark Johannus on Jul 30, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally some people agree that being the caliber wrestler of Josh Koscheck, you’d have to keep your distance to do some serious damage to him. I don’t care if GSP trains in wrestling, he doesn’t have the skill in the clinch that a D-1 national champion has. Frank Trigg, great wrestler, Matt Hughes, great wrestler, Randy Couture, a great wrestler none of them were ever a national champion. this is a feat that some people are taking for granted I think.
I’m not sure if Otto Olsen is a recognizable name to most of you, but he came on the scene in ADCC in 2003. He won all of his three first matches and lost only to Marcelo Garcia, you can find the match on YouTube. He wrestled for Michigan in college and became the top ranked 174 pound wrester.
Now how does this relate to GSP and Kos? Well who did Otto Olsen beat to become the number one ranked 174 pound wrester? You guessed it: Koscheck.
Ok, so how does GSP fall into this? Well GSP actually defeated Otto Olsen in a submission grappling match! Thats right, ADCC runner-up and NCAA champion wrestler Otto Olsen lost to GSP during ADCC 2005 (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance…to-olsen_sport. And its not like GSP won with a quick submission or “caught” Olsen, he grinded out a decision, usually the route taken by the better wrestler.
So what I’m trying to say is although Koscheck is a great wrester (some would argue he has the best wrestling credential in MMA history), he will not have an easy time against GSP and could, fairly likely, end up on his back! People don’t realize just how good of a wrestler GSP is. He does not have the credentials as KOS does, but he never persued wrestler, he jumped right into pull-time MMA fighting.

Great post Mark, I didn’t know about this ,yet it doesn’t come as a big surprise because Gsp is such a good wrestler. Unless Kos is a Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better wrestles than Sherk ,Trigg and Hughes, he will be on his back.

by Gord on Jul 30, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally some people agree that being the caliber wrestler of Josh Koscheck, you’d have to keep your distance to do some serious damage to him. I don’t care if GSP trains in wrestling, he doesn’t have the skill in the clinch that a D-1 national champion has. Frank Trigg, great wrestler, Matt Hughes, great wrestler, Randy Couture, a great wrestler none of them were ever a national champion. this is a feat that some people are taking for granted I think.

Matt Hughes was an NCAA Division 1 All-American twice at Eastern Illinois — and twice prior to that at the junior college level. Still pretty impressive.

Randy Couture was a three-time NCAA Division 1 All-American and a three-time Greco-Roman USA National Champion. very impressive and he has defeated Arsdale in the MMA who was a former NCAA Div 1 National Champion. So just being a national champ dont mean a whole lot in MMA just another part of the game.

And yes while having won a national championship in wrestling is a big feat, In MMA its not that unusual to see. And i would agree that Kos is most likely a better wrestler than GSP. For he is highly decorated in collegiate wrestling. And GSP started in Martial arts then trained in wrestling.

Kos is gonna have to rely on pure takedowns and GnP or maybe just swing for the fences. Otherwise GSP will pick him apart one punch and one Kick at a time until he either goes to sleep or the bell rings. And even if he does get GSP down its gonna be a battle to keep him down let alone do any damage. Maybe if he can press him up against the fence. Whilst Kos is a great Wrestler GSP has fought Wrestlers before. Kos hasnt fought anyone with the magnitude of skill GSP has.
Point being your boy has a chance even if its a very slim one. Great wrestling,strong, punchers chance. While GSP is a good wrestler not great, Great in BJJ (brown belt), great in striking and decent muay thai skills. Kos has the potential to pull it out but its obvious GSP is still several years in striking ahead of Kos. The only thing that throws me is that Goulet is like ranked #2 in Canada and GSP is #1. Kos utterly dismantled Goulet. And Goulet is undefeated in TKO in Canada. But i guess im not to baffled as we have seen him lose more than once in the UFC.

by Thor1982 on Jul 30, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m not sure if Otto Olsen is a recognizable name to most of you, but he came on the scene in ADCC in 2003. He won all of his three first matches and lost only to Marcelo Garcia, you can find the match on YouTube. He wrestled for Michigan in college and became the top ranked 174 pound wrester.

Now how does this relate to GSP and Kos? Well who did Otto Olsen beat to become the number one ranked 174 pound wrester? You guessed it: Koscheck.

Ok, so how does GSP fall into this? Well GSP actually defeated Otto Olsen in a submission grappling match! Thats right, ADCC runner-up and NCAA champion wrestler Otto Olsen lost to GSP during ADCC 2005 (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance…to-olsen_sport. And its not like GSP won with a quick submission or “caught” Olsen, he grinded out a decision, usually the route taken by the better wrestler.

So what I’m trying to say is although Koscheck is a great wrester (some would argue he has the best wrestling credential in MMA history), he will not have an easy time against GSP and could, fairly likely, end up on his back! People don’t realize just how good of a wrestler GSP is. He does not have the credentials as KOS does, but he never persued wrestler, he jumped right into pull-time MMA fighting.

Great info i knew there was a way that could prove GSP had some good wrestling skills. You had the knowledge and Info to back it up. Great post.

by Thor1982 on Jul 30, 2007 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

For all the guys who said GSP never faced a wrestler as good as Kos. GSP beat Otto, who beat Kos. If kos wins this fight it is going to be from one of his wild haymakers, not his wrestling skills , GSP can hold his own in wrestling against any 170 lber. GSP by GnP in the first half of the fight.

by Gord on Jul 31, 2007 12:28 AM EDT reply actions  

props to mark johannus thats some realy good info

by smiley on Jul 31, 2007 1:53 AM EDT reply actions  

props to mark johannus thats some realy good info

I can’t take full credit for this info, found most of this on Sherdog. “The truth” posted the links. I though it was really cool stuff that I didn’t know.

by Mark Johannus on Jul 31, 2007 5:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Mark Johannus just pwned this thread and all the haters in it.

by Pat on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

“MMA math” doesn’t always work out, as we saw in the Serra fight. However I just wanted to educate people on how good of a wrestler GSP is. Kos will not be able to just “run throug” him and take him down, like Rogan is claiming.

I hoestly think that GSP’s game plan will be to mix it up with him, and put him on HIS back, then dominate the fight from there.

by Mark Johannus on Jul 31, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

An Added quick note to my comment from the other day. Kos says he has knockout power, the dude has only had one knockout in his 8 UFC bouts. His 1 knockout was on the Tuf 1 finale against Chris Sanford, Thats right Chris Sandford ( WHO ??? ) where is he now. Kos will reconsider ever stepping into an Octagon after GSP picks him apart till Kos gets KTFO. Wouldnt it be so funny if when Kos is unconcious GSP picks him up and use’s that nasty fro of his to wipe Kos blood up off the mat !!!!!

I was following this thread from the start and didn’t want to take part in another who will win thread, but this cracked me up…I’m still laughing as I type this and I think that Mark Johannus is bang on with GSP’s strategy. I find that GSP tries to take away his opponents strengths by using it on them first…

by Shadyone33 on Jul 31, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Talent level favors GSP. Motivational level favors GSP. This fight in some ways is very similar to Chuck and Jardine. Chuck has fought nearly everyone in the light heavyweight division, beating many of them, including Randy, who I’m gonna say is GSP’s Matt Hughes. Jardine hasn’t really fought anyone yet….yeah, he’s beaten Forrest, as has Kos beaten Diego. Only difference between these two fights is that one can worry about Chuck starting to fall off the charts due to age. However, the same can’t be said about GSP. Also, both Chuck and GSP are coming off of losses, and are looking to make some noise. I just don’t see Chuck or GSP losing. Just thought I’d throw that out there.

by Cory on Jul 31, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

everybody hates KOSHCHECK Boso the CLOWN !!

Koscheck doesn’t deserve this fight. His only notable opponent was Diego Sanchez , and he looked anemic in that fight. Not even healthy enough to fight gabe ruedegar.
I think the UFC should have given Sanchez a title fight after he beat up KARO. He earned it. He has had some battles with top ranked opponents.
KOS needs to fight better opponents first, or atleast healthy opponents before he can step in with GSP, KARO, OR ANY MATT..

Kos has fought 8 fights in the UFC… none were worthy of ppv.
GSP will make him worthy of ppv, I will put 39.95 to watch him get pounded by GSP.

by George R on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

RYAN ???!!

Do you not recall him beating Sanchez, who beat Karo Parisyan, Nick Diaz, Kenny Florian, and Joe Riggs.
THIs is not a sexually transmitted disease. he beat this guy, who beat this guy, who beat this other guy. Which makes him ummm better than all of them..?

by George R on Jul 31, 2007 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

RYAN ???!!

Do you not recall him beating Sanchez, who beat Karo Parisyan, Nick Diaz, Kenny Florian, and Joe Riggs.
THIs is not a sexually transmitted disease. he beat this guy, who beat this guy, who beat this other guy. Which makes him ummm better than all of them..?

Lol…exactly, it’s mma math. Who really know what is going to happen….

I really don’t believe KOS’s fight with Sahchez was anything to put him in the top ranks. Sanchez looked terrible in that fight. Be basically was KOS’s heavy bag, and he couldn’t even finight the fight? I mean, it’s not like he finished Sanchez in devastating fashion? Josh Koscheck is very athletic, quick and strong, but those are the same attributes that GSP posesses as well that got him to where he is.

Should be a good fight, my opinion might be bias (being Canadian), but I really don’t think KOS can beat him, unless he lands a big haymaker…

by Mark Johannus on Jul 31, 2007 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Mark Johannus,

You mentioned that your from Canada. Got a question,
We all know GSP is ranked #1 in Canada but how is it that alot of Canadians Rank Goulet the road warrior #2? The skill level of GSP and Goulet are exactly that on two different levels. Goulets the TKO champ and he got punished by Kos. And GSP is in my opinion #1 in his weight class in the UFC well its a toss up between Hughes and GSP. And Whos behind Goulet in Canadian Rankings in TKO? Anyways i was just curious about that iof ya know. good post about Otto and Kos and GSP great info.

by Thor1982 on Jul 31, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

In that case Im gonna stop watching MMA and start watching golf and cricket,it will be more entertaining.
Is that what you want to see,people like Kos grind out a boring desicion,he dosnt care about the fans or the entertainment value aslong as he has a win under his belt.I hope GSP smashes Koshchecks stupid head in.

Kos is a very boring fighter… what does he have 2 submission victories, a knock out over Samford…. and decisions….

Not impressed by him beating a half dead sanchez.
GSP can beat him via knockout, ground n pound, and lets not forget his submissions arent to shabby. Kos hasnt even come close to fighting high level guys like Diego or GSP

For u people who wanna c Kos as the champ…. do u really wanna c a welterweight version of sean serk hold the title? I know I dont. Kos is definetly gonna walk away from theis fight wit some nasty scars

by john on Jul 31, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Mark Johannus,

You mentioned that your from Canada. Got a question,
We all know GSP is ranked #1 in Canada but how is it that alot of Canadians Rank Goulet the road warrior #2? The skill level of GSP and Goulet are exactly that on two different levels. Goulets the TKO champ and he got punished by Kos. And GSP is in my opinion #1 in his weight class in the UFC well its a toss up between Hughes and GSP. And Whos behind Goulet in Canadian Rankings in TKO? Anyways i was just curious about that iof ya know. good post about Otto and Kos and GSP great info.

Hey Thor,

TKO in Canada is definately a “minor” league. The level of competiton is nowhere near the UFC. To give you an idea, when GSP first came on the scene in 2001, he destroyed everyone he fought, then made a very impressive debut in the UFC against Karo.

Goulet would not be able to hang with any of the top UFC WW’s. So, even though he may be ranked next to GSP in the TKO circuit, the skill level in the league is not UFC, just goes to show that Georges St. Pierre is a diamond in the rough and this is why not only us Canadians (it appreas that many American’s do as well) worship GSP as a fighter.

Thanks for the comment on the Otto GSP post, when I came across it myself I was pretty pumped…

by Mark Johannus on Jul 31, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Gsp beats koscheck anywhere this fight goes, only way koscheck or any welter weights beats gsp is punchers chance.

by nathan on Jul 31, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

The submission/grappling match gsp had with otto is much more relevant, than pure wrestling credentials, MMA is striking mixed with grappling not wrestling. Kocheck has NOTHING on gsp in a MMA sense he’s NOT a better grappler and definitely not a better striker, Koschecks wrestling is exaggerated mainly because he’s never fought a great wrester in MMA, yet. I think sherk,gsp,hughes and trigg would hold there own against koscheck, like I said it would be a grappling/striking match not a wrestling match with wrestling rules.

by nathan on Jul 31, 2007 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

One last thing I want to mention then I’ll shut up, in the ufc 74 website randy says If gsp lets koscheck athleticly control the tempo of the fight like he did with diego he will lose the fight. I was wondering if anyone else thought this was a bizarre thing for randy to say, if koscheck fought gsp like he fought diego he would get destroyed, gsp never stops coming for his opponent and is always aggressive. Diego looked like a zombie out there and how someone like Randy could say something like that baffels me. I’ve never seen diego look so pathetic he usually fights like a man possessed and was fighting almost as if he had to lose the fight. I guess everyone will see come aug 25, I just hope it goes at least to the second or third round and we really get to see what they both got, I don’t want to see some quick ko.

by nathan on Jul 31, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos is going to win by subission

by Sarge on Jul 31, 2007 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

The submission/grappling match gsp had with otto is much more relevant, than pure wrestling credentials, MMA is striking mixed with grappling not wrestling. Kocheck has NOTHING on gsp in a MMA sense he’s NOT a better grappler and definitely not a better striker, Koschecks wrestling is exaggerated mainly because he’s never fought a great wrester in MMA, yet. I think sherk,gsp,hughes and trigg would hold there own against koscheck, like I said it would be a grappling/striking match not a wrestling match with wrestling rules.

Toatally agree with you…submission wrestling is a lot similar to a UFC fight, minus the intensity and striking. I really think people are going to be shocked to see GSP hang with the “D1 all american champ”. Kos may very well put GSP on his back, but mark my word, he won’t be there for long….I can see KOS shooting in right off the bat, and GSP stuffing his take-down – something we havn’t seen anyone do yet.

After this fight, all the doubts people have about Georges b/c of the serra fight will be gone….he’ll he considered again, the best at 170 (most people stil do)…

by Mark Johannus on Jul 31, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

“MMA math” doesn’t always work out, as we saw in the Serra fight. However I just wanted to educate people on how good of a wrestler GSP is. Kos will not be able to just “run throug” him and take him down, like Rogan is claiming.
I hoestly think that GSP’s game plan will be to mix it up with him, and put him on HIS back, then dominate the fight from there.

Actually this is Wrestling math and without any other ways to win (like in mma) it shows gsp’s wresting is at least as good as Kos’s.

by Gord on Aug 1, 2007 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

“MMA math” doesn’t always work out, as we saw in the Serra fight. However I just wanted to educate people on how good of a wrestler GSP is. Kos will not be able to just “run throug” him and take him down, like Rogan is claiming.
I hoestly think that GSP’s game plan will be to mix it up with him, and put him on HIS back, then dominate the fight from there.

I agree, just like the Sherk fight.

by Gord on Aug 1, 2007 12:59 AM EDT reply actions  

One last thing I want to mention then I’ll shut up, in the ufc 74 website randy says If gsp lets koscheck athleticly control the tempo of the fight like he did with diego he will lose the fight. I was wondering if anyone else thought this was a bizarre thing for randy to say, if koscheck fought gsp like he fought diego he would get destroyed, gsp never stops coming for his opponent and is always aggressive. Diego looked like a zombie out there and how someone like Randy could say something like that baffels me. I’ve never seen diego look so pathetic he usually fights like a man possessed and was fighting almost as if he had to lose the fight. I guess everyone will see come aug 25, I just hope it goes at least to the second or third round and we really get to see what they both got, I don’t want to see some quick ko.

I thought the exact same thing Nathan, about what Randy said. Also Diego did look like a zombie and I can’t help but think that the main reason for that was,he was terified of getting KO’ed by Kos after all the heated words they exchanged. After that, losing is one thing, but getting KO’ed would have been devastating.

by Gord on Aug 1, 2007 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Move over Mike Tyson, we got a new knock out king in Kos

by Raiderfan on Aug 1, 2007 2:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I remember when Frank Trigg said that Hughes had only beaten B rated fighters which by this statement included GSP, as Hughes had beaten GSP. GSP took offence to this and wanted Trigg to put this to the test. The rest is history. GSP gave him the lesson of his life, he made him look like a novice. I hope GSP gives Koscheck an MMA experience he’ll never forget, one that will have him waking with nightmares while he is lying in hospital after the fight. I agree that Koschek doesn’t deserve this opportunity, that performance against Diego was sad. He should have at least of had to fight Karo first. Koscheks easy ride in the UFC is going to come back and haunt him. He is not going to know what hit him when GSP brings it.

by Ade on Aug 1, 2007 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, bad link.

GSP vs Otto Olson

Mark: Thanks for the info! too add to that, this morning i was watching the GSP vs. Sean serk fight. Taking Gsp down was a fucking nightmare for serk, and matt hughes barely even tried to take him down in the second fight. Matt wrestling crap didnt work, serks wrestling crap didnt work… so y the hell would anyone think that Kos will do an better?

Kos is in trouble!!

Id like to c kos fight Fitch…. Kos isnt even close to being the caliber fighter that GSP is!

by john on Aug 1, 2007 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Mark: Thanks for the info! too add to that, this morning i was watching the GSP vs. Sean serk fight. Taking Gsp down was a fucking nightmare for serk, and matt hughes barely even tried to take him down in the second fight. Matt wrestling crap didnt work, serks wrestling crap didnt work… so y the hell would anyone think that Kos will do an better?

Kos is in trouble!!

Id like to c kos fight Fitch…. Kos isnt even close to being the caliber fighter that GSP is!

GSP has done very well against wrestlers, being probably the most underrated wrestler in the UFC. I’ve said before that b/c he didn’t persue a wrestling career, he doesn’t have any credentials, but the guy is a SICK wrestler…..That being said, I do believe that KOS’ wrestling is better that Hughes and Sherk, although, I don’t think he’ll be able to control GSP using wrestling.

Apparently KOS and Fitch won’t fight each other, I guess they are “friends”, so they would never fight each other….kinda guy, what that’s what they’ve both said.

by Mark Johannus on Aug 1, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m sick of KOS and his big mouth. If GSP fights the way he can fight, KOS is way over his head in this one. GSP is just so skilled. It will be interesting though.

by Tapout Kid on Aug 2, 2007 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I like KOS but I dont see him doing very well in this fight especially if he tries to stand up with GSP. I think the only way KOS has chances with GSP is by using his wrestling skills. I’m predicting a 2nd round KO by GSP.

by MMA FAN on Aug 4, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Mark,
Fitch and KOS are actually training partners but it would be bad ass fight to see. I cant was to see Jon Fitch beat Diego Sanchez’s ass.

by MMA FAN on Aug 4, 2007 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

koscheck will destroy gsp, didn’t look so jacked in the serra fight, like in hughes 2, no medicine no bang

by wigs on Aug 6, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

GSP is more of a warrior.
he will win.
oh yes, he’s also got a bigger arsenal,
 is way smarter in gameplan and adapting to the moment.
he beat Otto Olsen wrestler who beat koscheck.
again kos doesn’t have a punchers chance because he cant punch as well as serra who (not to snub) – got lucky

by pgam on Aug 10, 2007 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Pgam I want some of what your smoking, Koscheck is the future of the welterwieght division.GSP won’t be able to handle the pressure put on by a superior athlete. Gsp fights well when his opponents fear his power(doesn’t have much anymore) and don’t push the pace of the fight. He will crumble under an onslaught of head kicks precise punching and ground and pound. Good luck lights out for GSP.

by wigs on Aug 10, 2007 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

make your money betting on koscheck and crane to have the big wins

by wigs on Aug 10, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t wait to see crane suffocate that guy huerta. Too much publicity for weak spaghetti punches. Review King of the Cage if you need to know who crane is as a fighter. Scary for mister huerta.

by wigs on Aug 10, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Pgam I want some of what your smoking, Koscheck is the future of the welterwieght division.GSP won’t be able to handle the pressure put on by a superior athlete. Gsp fights well when his opponents fear his power(doesn’t have much anymore) and don’t push the pace of the fight. He will crumble under an onslaught of head kicks precise punching and ground and pound. Good luck lights out for GSP.

GSP and KOS are both the future of the welterweight div. Everything you said is nothing but absurd assumptions. And GSP doesnt have much power anymore lol thats gotta be a joke. Look for your boy Kos to be picked apart by GSP one piece at a time. He better just step in and start swinging probably his best chance.

by Thor1982 on Aug 11, 2007 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

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