Screw it…why not! I still hope Mir comes back as old.

I love Frank Mir. I would love to see him get back on track with a win. Hopefully he rejuvenates his MMA fighting career with Hardonk as his first victim.

Mir is done, you can only hope he doesnt get beatup to bad.

I hope Mir can get back to form on this fight. Then again, I’ve hoped that so many times about Belfort :(

I’ll be rooting for him regardless

not impressed

not impressed

Not impressed with what?

mir is washed up he never comes to the ring in shape hes like bj penn he has talent but if u dont train properly then it doesnt matter.IM PISSED ABOUT MIR HAS LOST 3 TIMES IN THE UFC AND HES STILL HERE BUT PAUL BUENTELLO LOSES ONCE AND THATS IT BULL

I to wish Mir would come out of his slump. But he’s probably as good as he’s gonna be which unfortunatly isnt good enough. He deffinitly has the skills and knowledge. I just think that after the accident its the physical aspect thats stopping him. He needs to be in better shape. Maybe we will see him in better shape this time. Losing against sobral in points during a submission grappling event isnt a huge surprise. If he would have been beat by someone else maybe. Hope to see a better outcome this time around for Mir

yep

he was a genius when no other heavyweight knew anything about submissions, but now that he cannot submit his opponent in the first round he is no longer a champion.

thats like royce he was a dominating force but thats when no one knew submissions no everone knows something

Mir is awesome to watch. Hes even a good commentator for WEC.

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the only thing i dont like to watch about mir on wec is when they call him the champ whats up with that

mir is washed up he never comes to the ring in shape hes like bj penn he has talent but if u dont train properly then it doesnt matter.IM PISSED ABOUT MIR HAS LOST 3 TIMES IN THE UFC AND HES STILL HERE BUT PAUL BUENTELLO LOSES ONCE AND THATS IT BULL

I disagree with the Penn comparison. Mir is nowhere near as talented as Penn is, nor as well rounded. And despite the claims of not training enough, Penn is still championship caliber, unlike Mir who let his career slip away. Mir would be better compared to Ricco Rodriguez.

I do agree with what you say about Buentello, though. He was a vastly underrated fighter who was tossed to the curb after 1 loss in a championship fight. This was back when the ufc was at his weakest, too.

Oh good, now someone can show Hardonk how to lock in an armbar and actually get the guy to tap.

If Mir comes back hard and puts in the necessary work to get back to where he needs to be, he will be a contender, I don’t care what anyone says.

mir is washed up he never comes to the ring in shape hes like bj penn he has talent but if u dont train properly then it doesnt matter.IM PISSED ABOUT MIR HAS LOST 3 TIMES IN THE UFC AND HES STILL HERE BUT PAUL BUENTELLO LOSES ONCE AND THATS IT BULL

Penn was in awesome shape his last fight. Also, he injured himself during the last fight with Hughes. I get a little irritated when people keep saying he gasses and doesnt take the sport seriously. Penn consitently fights people who outweigh him. Hughes and St. Pierre both outweighed him by like 20 lbs. That would exhaust anyone.

I disagree with the Penn comparison. Mir is nowhere near as talented as Penn is, nor as well rounded. And despite the claims of not training enough, Penn is still championship caliber, unlike Mir who let his career slip away. Mir would be better compared to Ricco Rodriguez.

I do agree with what you say about Buentello, though. He was a vastly underrated fighter who was tossed to the curb after 1 loss in a championship fight. This was back when the ufc was at his weakest, too.

Mir didnt “let his career slip away” he was involved in a motorcycle accident or did you just forget that part all together. And Buentello wasnt “tossed to the curb” after his loss to Arlovski he went on to fight at UFC 57 and beat Gilbert Aldana by TKO. Now i dont know why “the Headhunter” hasnt been seen in a UFC fight since then but he certainly wasnt tossed due to his loss to Arlovski because its clear he fought in the UFC after that loss. And we might just see him again in the UFC. It would be cool to see him again.

And Mir is really close to being as talented as Penn he just doesnt have the striking skills BJ has.

richard
I know right. haha. I bet MIR told them to call him champ. lol. That fuddy duddy!

Not a bad pic, Mania … I heard that creator was pretty sweet, lol.

mir is washed up he never comes to the ring in shape hes like bj penn he has talent but if u dont train properly then it doesnt matter.IM PISSED ABOUT MIR HAS LOST 3 TIMES IN THE UFC AND HES STILL HERE BUT PAUL BUENTELLO LOSES ONCE AND THATS IT BULL

well frank mir is loved by people, everyone wants to see him back….not to mention as far as title fights go..Mir snapped Tims arm in less than 1 minute…Paul got KOed by Arlovski in less than 1 minute…you see how people would like to see one and not the other

Mir didnt “let his career slip away” he was involved in a motorcycle accident or did you just forget that part all together. And Buentello wasnt “tossed to the curb” after his loss to Arlovski he went on to fight at UFC 57 and beat Gilbert Aldana by TKO. Now i dont know why “the Headhunter” hasnt been seen in a UFC fight since then but he certainly wasnt tossed due to his loss to Arlovski because its clear he fought in the UFC after that loss. And we might just see him again in the UFC. It would be cool to see him again.

So the motorcycle accident caused the large amount of weight gain, and utter lack of cardio? I’m sure it also had a lot to do with his former team ditching him for lack of effort, something he was notorious for before the accident. He didn’t look in very good shape vs Sims or Freeman, which were both before the accident. Although he did take quite a beating in the Freeman fight, it was clear he was in bad physical condition.

As far as Buentello goes, the below link answers some questions on that. Seems the ufc didn’t want to pay him what he wanted, and their stance on sponsors wasn’t helping. I’ll admit to not doing the proper research on that one. Copy/paste the whole thing, cause links can get jacked up on here

http://www.bettormma.com/site/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22

How is this guy still fighting in the UFC? In his losses he looked terrible and in his win he looked terrible. It is time to move to the WEC.

The only reason Frank Mir is still around is becuase he was champ back in the day. If any other fighter started his UFC career the way Frank did post accident, there is no way they’d still be in the UFC.

And Buentello wasnt “tossed to the curb” after his loss to Arlovski he went on to fight at UFC 57 and beat Gilbert Aldana by TKO. Now i dont know why “the Headhunter” hasnt been seen in a UFC fight since then but he certainly wasnt tossed due to his loss to Arlovski because its clear he fought in the UFC after that loss. And we might just see him again in the UFC. It would be cool to see him again.

I’m pretty sure the only reason he fought again at UFC 57 was because he had 1 more fight left on his contract so they had to give him one more fight.

So the motorcycle accident caused the large amount of weight gain, and utter lack of cardio? I’m sure it also had a lot to do with his former team ditching him for lack of effort, something he was notorious for before the accident. He didn’t look in very good shape vs Sims or Freeman, which were both before the accident. Although he did take quite a beating in the Freeman fight, it was clear he was in bad physical condition.

As far as Buentello goes, the below link answers some questions on that. Seems the ufc didn’t want to pay him what he wanted, and their stance on sponsors wasn’t helping. I’ll admit to not doing the proper research on that one. Copy/paste the whole thing, cause links can get jacked up on here

http://www.bettormma.com/site/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22

You cant even compare before and after the accident. Mir may have never been in the best shape but one things for sure he has been in a hell of alot worse shape after the accident.You can just tell by watching pre-accident fights and post-accident fights. not even close.

I’m pretty sure the only reason he fought again at UFC 57 was because he had 1 more fight left on his contract so they had to give him one more fight.

Yeah maybe i dont know he’s been under the Radar for awhile. But since his loss to AA he’s all wins most by KO.So maybe we will see him get KO’ed in the UFC again LOL

Buentello’s on a 4 or 5 fight win streak. Against who? Nobody knows or cares.

man, some of you guys are brutal. the man got side swiped by a car doing 30 mph and flew threw the air for 40 feet snappin his femur.
Within 2 – 2.5 years he was able to return to competiton at this level, half of us would have probably never walked normal again, if at all.

I just recently seen Buentello KO this fat black guy named Carter Williams at the EliteXC/Srikeforce event.

Frank Mir has as good a chance as anyone. He is fighting a guy who lost to the Tito Ortiz towel boy (Justin McNully). Lets be serious hear guys, this fight can go either way and no one will care because it wont be televised.

You cant even compare before and after the accident. Mir may have never been in the best shape but one things for sure he has been in a hell of alot worse shape after the accident.You can just tell by watching pre-accident fights and post-accident fights. not even close.

Ya, but the fact he was already known for slacking does point to it not being directly related to the accident. Tito Ortiz had a pretty nasty accident early in his career, and Randleman was nearly killed in an accident as well. Neither of them came back overweight and in terrible shape.

Honestly, when you look at Mir before the accident, his work ethic was already bad. IMO the layoff just worsened it, and he never really attempted to get back to form. Against Wes Sims he looked like he was about to die, and he just gave out against Freeman. His other fights all ended by quick submission, so he was never really tested to a lengthy fight.

I’m not saying he always sucked by any means, but the lack of a work ethic was already evidenced, and just got worse after the accident. I’m not saying the crash had nothing to do with it, but I think the effect it had was indirect. He didn’t just get in a motorcycle accident, then get ruined. He got in a motorcycle accident, then never put forth the effort to get back into the swing of things, or get in shape at all.

If we see shades of the old Mir, Hardonk is in trouble. Granted Mir was winning when there were hardly any submission heavyweights, Hardonks ground game is AWFUL. Mir more experinced in the octagon. All Mir needs to do is take him down and gnp or submit him. He still needs to watch out for hardonks standup. Ill go Mir by sub in the 2nd.

Penn was in awesome shape his last fight. Also, he injured himself during the last fight with Hughes. I get a little irritated when people keep saying he gasses and doesnt take the sport seriously. Penn consitently fights people who outweigh him. Hughes and St. Pierre both outweighed him by like 20 lbs. That would exhaust anyone.

Wouldn’t exhaust real champs like Couture. Penn has A level talent with B level determination.

Ya, but the fact he was already known for slacking does point to it not being directly related to the accident. Tito Ortiz had a pretty nasty accident early in his career, and Randleman was nearly killed in an accident as well. Neither of them came back overweight and in terrible shape.

Honestly, when you look at Mir before the accident, his work ethic was already bad. IMO the layoff just worsened it, and he never really attempted to get back to form. Against Wes Sims he looked like he was about to die, and he just gave out against Freeman. His other fights all ended by quick submission, so he was never really tested to a lengthy fight.

I’m not saying he always sucked by any means, but the lack of a work ethic was already evidenced, and just got worse after the accident. I’m not saying the crash had nothing to do with it, but I think the effect it had was indirect. He didn’t just get in a motorcycle accident, then get ruined. He got in a motorcycle accident, then never put forth the effort to get back into the swing of things, or get in shape at all.

I see and understand what your saying and i agree that he was never tip top shape and far from it. I think he relies to much on his skills and doesnt count stamina. But i have to agree with mayberry and his post.

""man, some of you guys are brutal. the man got side swiped by a car doing 30 mph and flew threw the air for 40 feet snappin his femur.
Within 2 – 2.5 years he was able to return to competiton at this level, half of us would have probably never walked normal again, if at all""

So you make valid points and we all agree he could probably be in better shape. But just the fact that he is competing in MMA is pretty good.

Too bad, when i first was the picture I thought that it meant that Vera was coming back.

As bad as Mir is fighting at the moment if this goes to the ground he should win it. Hardonk seems to have no ground game at all, if he did he would have been able to submit McCully on several occasions, it was quite painfull to watch. McCully had his arms in excellent submission posistions all the time throughout that fight and Hardonk didn’t have a clue what to do. It was really quite bad. On the otherside to that Mir really doesn’t want to trade blows with a K1 fighter, especially a guy with kicks like Hardonk. Mir needs to take it to the ground to win.

MIr is done,I wish he would quit coz I dont want to see him keep getting beatings that are of the embarrassing type……..
if he did somehow make a come back good for him but I cant see it,if your a profesianal athlete then motorcycles are probably one of the sacrifises you have to make,drive one of those big Hummers or pick ups that you Americans drive.

I love Frank Mir. I hope he comes back

a fan from Morocco themaineiac2006@hotmail.com

I dont think that is funny about the Frank Mir picture. So he almost dies in a accident and we joke about it??? We sponsor 10 UFC fighters and Frank being one of them , and I dont think Frank would think that picture is funny.

I dont think that is funny about the Frank Mir picture. So he almost dies in a accident and we joke about it??? We sponsor 10 UFC fighters and Frank being one of them , and I dont think Frank would think that picture is funny.

I am really confused about the whole accident. Here are some questions:

1) How does a broken femur equate to almost dying?
2) If he got hit by a car going 30 mph how did he fly “60 to 70 feet off his bike”.

Now given, a broken femur is no joke, and i’m sure is very painful and he is a warrior for recovering the way he did, but it sounds like people are trying to make a bigger deal out of it than it should be.

BTW, the picture was hilarious. In bad taste maybe, but this is ufcmania.com, not politicallycorrect.com, and sure as hell not weloan.us

I see and understand what your saying and i agree that he was never tip top shape and far from it. I think he relies to much on his skills and doesnt count stamina. But i have to agree with mayberry and his post.

""man, some of you guys are brutal. the man got side swiped by a car doing 30 mph and flew threw the air for 40 feet snappin his femur.
Within 2 – 2.5 years he was able to return to competiton at this level, half of us would have probably never walked normal again, if at all""

So you make valid points and we all agree he could probably be in better shape. But just the fact that he is competing in MMA is pretty good.

Ya, I see what you’re saying. I don’t think there was that much actual disagreement, really. I just felt he could have done more to get back in shape (The fallout from his camp was supposedly from lack of effort). I’ll back down on this one, cause I really don’t know the specifics of his accident related injuries, and how that might be effecting his training. Nice to have an argument without name calling/flaming :D

The new potically correct picture of Frank Mir doesn’t look like any Frank Mir I’m familiar with. I didn’t think that he was ever in that good of shape.

Tell you the truth, I’m calling shennanigans. I think Frank Mir photoshopped that picture himself and then put it up on his MySpace page.

[quote] BTW, the picture was hilarious. In bad taste maybe, but this is ufcmania.com, not politicallycorrect.com, and sure as hell not weloan.us[/quote]

I thought it was in bad taste yesterday and took it down when I saw it. But my designer, who thought it was clever, put it back up. I took it down again this morning when I saw. Maybe it’s appropriate for a caption contest, but not for a fight announcement.

Frank Mir is honestly still my favorite fighter of all time. I somehow hope that he comes back and shows that he can still be the Frank Mir that he used to be. I am not sure if it counts for anything but I saw him when he was co-comentator for the WEC (which by the way he did an amazing job at, he just knows so much about MMA and it really shows when you hear him comentating a fight) he appeared to be in better shape. He may have just been wearing a shirt that did well for him but I didnt see much a gut and they did show some full shots of him. Maybe this is a pipe dream but Mir really is still young and can come back! I just have this hope that Frank will snap out of it.

Oh btw, Matt, I assume you have never ridden a motorbike or more specifically been involved in an accident on one and then I can understand that you dont get how you can be tossed 50 – 60 feet from your motorbike when a car t-bones you at 30 mph. I personally do ride motorbikes and i have been lucky and have only got in one accident but that one is eye opening enough. My dad hit a curb and flew 20 feet off his bike, so to say that Mir who got hit by a car who was confused by the lights and went flying threw a red at 30 mph, woudlnt fly 50 – 60 feet it is plausable especially to someone who has been there.

I agree with Steven that mir is an awesome commentator. He knows his stuff, and does a great job. He is also better spoken than other fighters like Trigg and Randy, so I think he does a much better job. After his career is over he has a long future in commentary

Ya, I see what you’re saying. I don’t think there was that much actual disagreement, really. I just felt he could have done more to get back in shape (The fallout from his camp was supposedly from lack of effort). I’ll back down on this one, cause I really don’t know the specifics of his accident related injuries, and how that might be effecting his training. Nice to have an argument without name calling/flaming :D

Yeah deff i think we agree on alot of points. And i can see where Mir could have a lazy bone lol. And i agree that even before his accident he wasnt in the shape he should have been. And im not gonna deny that his camp dropped him due to lack of effort. Frank Mir is Frank mir’s own worst enemy. I do agree its cool to have a decent debate without the name calling/flaming. Im just glad Mir made it back into competition.I dont know Mir personally but ya kinda get the sense that he thinks he’s better than he is. And doesnt need to work as hard as say other MMA fighters. Which is totally not a good way to be. So unless he steps it up like 10 notches he’s gonna struggle and his name will only get him so far.

mir is just fighting for the pay check i mean come on he is rubbish now he is lazy n not the same fighter.

Now given, a broken femur is no joke, and i’m sure is very painful and he is a warrior for recovering the way he did, but it sounds like people are trying to make a bigger deal out of it than it should be.

He didn’t just break his femor , it was shattered into hamburger ,with titanium plates holding it together. An injury like that just doesn’t heal to 100% in 2 years, at least 3-5 years so there is still hope for Mir. I’ve seen injuries just like this first hand and realistically one can only hope to be 90 to 95% after 3- 5 years.

Both these guys got squashed pretty hard last fights. I think Mir is getting the benefit of the doubt from the UFC heads, seeing as he is very well respected, and works with the WEC. But who knows, might be a good fight.

Mir is awesome to watch. Hes even a good commentator for WEC.

Yeah I think he should stick with that (commentator). He’s very knowledgable and fluid. I can see him getting better with time. Who knows, maybe he will fill in for Rogan sometime at UFC events.

I agree with Steven that mir is an awesome commentator. He knows his stuff, and does a great job. He is also better spoken than other fighters like Trigg and Randy, so I think he does a much better job. After his career is over he has a long future in commentary

Randy is very good in giving interviews and as an interviewer. I don’t think his thing is “play by play” so much.

I assumed Mir was just a big stupid idiot before I saw my first WEC event that he did. He’s pretty good, really surprised me.

Is there a link to the offensive picture? I’ve been criticized on this board for being insensitive… so why bother trying to change my image now. Is it a picture of Mir beating the motorist with his bloody stump? I mighta seen that one already…

How is this guy still fighting in the UFC? In his losses he looked terrible and in his win he looked terrible. It is time to move to the WEC.

He still probably got some fights left on his contract so they need to use him its like Pedro Rizzo.

You know it’s funny about Mir. He looks all sorts of presentable on the WEC as a commentator, not a fat back at all and he’s signing up to fight at 240….scary. Is he that strong, is he that sturdy..my guess. No. Love and appreciate his talent but being out of circuit for that long, I mean aside from his Sobral fight… Is it enough.

Man…Mir at one time was one of my Favorites!!! I hope he can get back on the winning bus!