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UFC 76: Chuck Liddell vs. Keith Jardine

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Former UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck Liddell (20-4) will headline UFC 76 on September 22 in Anaheim, Calif., against Keith Jardine (12-3-1), according to Yahoo!Sports.com.

UFC President Dana White confirmed the rumored match up in the article and addressed the issue of it being a solid main event.

Here's a snip from White:

"Keith Jardine is a tough guy. He got caught. That can happen. But Chuck got caught too. It is definitely a main event, in my opinion. Jardine beat a lot of good guys, and he absolutely deserves to be fighting Chuck. He wouldn't if Chuck still had the title, but I don't think he needs to win a lot of fights just to get a fight with Chuck."

Last week, UFC matchmaker Joe Silva and White had to scramble to find an opponent for the "Iceman" after being unable to come to terms with former PRIDE FC champion Wanderlei Silva on a September showdown.

Had a deal been struck, it would have set up one of the most anticipated bouts in recent years -- it's been talked about and debated for literally years.

Silva later mentioned that he wants to instead fight Liddell in November. And, Liddell has mentioned that he'd like to compete in September and November.

It remains to be seen, however, if the two will meet at that time, especially if Liddell suffers any type of injury before, during or after his clash with the "Dean of Mean."

In the meantime, fans will have to settle for Jardine -- a former contestant on The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) and a rising contender in the 205-pound division before he met up with Houston Alexander at UFC 71 in May.

Alexander, making his Octagon debut, scored a devastating first round knockout of Jardine. It wasn't the first time Jardine has tasted defeat in the Octagon, however. He lost an unpopular unanimous decision to Stephan Bonnar at UFC Fight Night 4 in April 2006.

Jardine has a solid record in the Octagon (4-2) with wins over Forrest Griffin, Wilson Gouveia, Mike Whitehead and Kerry Schall.

Liddell, on the other hand, has faced and defeated some of best in the sport since his UFC debut back in 1998 -- Randy Couture (twice), Tito Ortiz (twice), Vitor Belfort, Jeremy Horn, Kevin Randleman, Murilo Bustamante, Renato "Babalu" Sobral (twice) ... I can keep going.

But I think you get the point.

Perhaps most impressive, in has last 12 fights -- since 2002 -- Liddell has stopped all of his opponents early via T(KO). The lone exception was his technical knockout loss to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson at UFC 71 in May -- the same night Jardine was derailed.

Top 205-pound fighter Mauricio "Shogun" Rua will make his long-awaited UFC debut at UFC 76 against undefeated talent Ryoto Machida. And Jon Fitch and Diego Sanchez are penciled in for a welterweight scrap.

It's turning out to be a solid main card. Is the Liddell-Jardine headline worthy? I'll let you decide.

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Ah what the f^ck.Jardine doesn’t deserve to be in one octogan with chuck

by davlat on Jul 16, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

obvouisly he did

by thorn on Jul 9, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me, the main fight on this card is Machida vs. Shogun. But I’m guessing most fans will see any fight that involves Chuck as the main fight.

Machida and Shogun seems like a much more even matchup. Jardine will most likely survive a round or two before Chuck puts him away. I dont see it being all that exciting.

by Mahde on Jul 16, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Dean of mister Clean is going to get roned.

by Sir Chokemout on Jul 16, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

who does dana white think he is fooling? Chuck could well get caught again, but this matchup makes no sense overall. Chuck by KO after tentative first round

by ryan on Jul 16, 2007 10:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chuck via KO 1st round.

by Mike on Jul 16, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wont be surprised if Jardene won, i dont care im not a big liddle or jardine fan,it could be a good fight.
I just want to see Machida destroy Shogun!

by thenovemberact on Jul 16, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel sorry for Keith. He’s gonna be on the end of a 2nd consecutive highlight reel knockout.

by Pat on Jul 16, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don’t count Jardine out. Styles make fights and Jardine has a style that can beat Chuck. Although his punching isn’t as good as Chuck’s, he does have the best leg kicks in the LHW division (Chuck doesn’t defend leg kicks well) and could very well chop him down if he can weather the storm.

On the other hand …

Houston Alexander is way more deserving than Jardine in taking on a top contender like Chuck. Why does Jardine still get on a fast-track to a title shot after getting KO’d, Tank Abbott style? I feel Alexander isn’t getting the respect he deserves.

by david on Jul 16, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ummm……What?!

by Shmad on Jul 16, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is dangerous for Liddell. If he loses (admittedly not likely) where does he go from there. If he lost to Wandy it wouldn’t be such a big deal as it’s two evenly matched skilled fighters that are both big names. Both near the top of the food chain. Lose to Wandy and it’s not the end. Lose to Jardine and it’s over.

Chuck does not gain a single thing beating Jardine and does not really move back up the ladder either. Shame on you Joe Silva and Dana White.

by RobH86 on Jul 16, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston Alexander is way more deserving than Jardine in taking on a top contender like Chuck. Why does Jardine still get on a fast-track to a title shot after getting KO’d, Tank Abbott style? I feel Alexander isn’t getting the respect he deserves.[/quote]

Because Houston Alexander would destroy Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by thenovemberact on Jul 16, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess they want another highlight reel KO for Chuck lol. He can’t take Chuck down, hell I dont even know if he will try, so he is destined to get KTFO… Unless Chuck comes out tentative after his loss, but I doubt that I’d imagine this will be the best we’ve seen him in awhile. Jardine has a strong chin, so I think it’ll be a classic KO – he wont drop after just one shot, Chuck will land a few good crushing shots on his face lol. Will be short, yet exciting. Certainly NOT a headliner for a PPV though.

by jame$ on Jul 16, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Note this is Chuck’s first non-title fight since Vernon “Tiger” White at UFC 49 in August 2004. Chuck ends this quick, ala Houston Alexander did “The Dean of Mean”. Chuck in less than 3 minutes, so he can fight Wandy in November

by EaZyE on Jul 16, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

chcuck 1st rnd ko,and sho gun rnd 1 tko,they better get a lot of undercard fights because theyll need them. itll be a quick night if not.well i guess the diego fitch will take up some time 15 min.diego by decesion.

by mikeclem on Jul 16, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is ridiculous!!! How did this fight even get sanctioned? Jardine does not deserve this shot, he’s completely over-rated and about to get the crap stomped out of him in UFC 76.

Good news is he’ll be healthy going into November!

by Leno on Jul 16, 2007 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston Alexander and Forrest are both more deserving than Jardine.

Jardine – Hey, i just got brutally KTFO’d by an absolute unknown.

Dana – Wanna fight a guy who is one of the best in the world? You earned it!

also, Chuck would devastate Houston. Here’s how it goes down

Houston – I AM HOUSTON I WILL CHARGE YOU FISTS OF FURY FLYING CHARGE NO MERCY AGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!

Chuck – Hi, I’m chuck liddell. My entire gameplan is to walk backwards and throw counter-punches. I’m the best in all of MMA at doing this.

Houston – Oh… well… ummm…

Chuck – Yeah, it’s like that homes (KO).

by Jeremiah on Jul 16, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wont be surprised if Jardene won, i dont care im not a big liddle or jardine fan,it could be a good fight.
I just want to see Machida destroy Shogun!

 Haha sorry to tell u but shoguns gonna knock him out.
Machidas last 4 fights went to decision it could have went either way win or lose. In the other hand shogun has knocked out some of the best fighters in the world including rampage,Arona, overeem ect. know your history be4 you even type any dumb remarks. Dana white doesnt know how to fights together someone should knock him out.LOL.

by skoler07 on Jul 16, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nicely done, jeremiah.. lets not pretend that anything that alexander did was technically worth a sh** against jardine.

by ryan on Jul 16, 2007 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NO this has benn bull since the moment ive heard it why wouldnt forrest or houston alexander get the shot its retarded

by adam on Jul 16, 2007 11:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

[quote comment=“105903”
Houston Alexander is way more deserving than Jardine in taking on a top contender like Chuck. Why does Jardine still get on a fast-track to a title shot after getting KO’d, Tank Abbott style? I feel Alexander isn’t getting the respect he deserves.[/quote]

Not getting respect? How the hell did a first timer get a match with Keith Jardine in the first place? And on the main card!

by Legal Eagle on Jul 16, 2007 11:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought it should have been Forrest Griffen but really there is no one else. As for Houston Alexander , he is still a nobody to me. I’d like to see him win one more fight to get my respect. Cause ya know, if Alexander goes out there again and loses horribly, so many people will be dissapointed, but really it wont be unexpected for me.

by c-war on Jul 16, 2007 11:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i told you guys a week ago this would be the main event.
is jardine worthy?? they couldn’t get anyone else, it will no doubt be knocked out in 1st round but dana better make up for this by booking some more good fights on this card.

by bryant on Jul 17, 2007 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fitch/Diego or Machida/Shogun should be the main event. Chuck vs Jardine will be the worst main event in a LONG time. This is complete bs

by Yohnstoppable on Jul 17, 2007 12:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the Shogun fight will be more exciting then this. The only reason why this is the main event is because it has Chuck Liddell’s name in it.

by The Legend on Jul 17, 2007 12:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know everyone is saying Houston or Forest would be better. In my mind, they’re all pretty much exactly the same.

Houston has only one UFC fight under his belt. He’s completely unproven, all we know about him is that he has powerful inside punches. In sports, a team always looks better than they really are when they win, and they always look worse than they really are when they lose. I imagine it’s the same for fighters. We’ve seen Houston smash Jardine’s face for 30 seconds, but it’s a deceptively impressive win. He didn’t win a single exchange until the dirty boxing.

Forest Griffin and Jardine have similiar credentials. The only difference is that Forest is coming off a (mediocre) win and Jardine is coming off a loss. On the other hand, Jardine knocked Forest out. So… either one really works for me.

It doesn’t matter who they chose, there’d still be outrage over the guy. If it was Houston, everyone would say “… only one fight… unproven… Forest has more experience… even Jardine is more deserving… jumps over the entire contender’s field with one win over a TUF contestant…” etc.

by IceMuncher on Jul 17, 2007 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Houston Alexander would destroy Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you serious houston alexander destroy chuck?

by klye on Jul 17, 2007 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Look like good bye Jardine. Two losses in a row wont get you the waive but a step closer. Liddell is acaged animal right noe hungry to get back in. He’s not getting any younger so he’s looking to climb the food chain again before retirement. His head just got to big. Liddell is still the top of the chain guy to beat. As for Jardine taking the fight…Sure why not he’s got nothing to lose. If he knocks out Liddell he would be back in the mix. It wont happen

by Stafo on Jul 17, 2007 12:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I also think some people are not considering that Alexander already signed to fight Sakara before the Wandy negotiations broke down. This match is a last minute thing.

by Legal Eagle on Jul 17, 2007 1:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im really mad im hoping now and nothing against jardine jardine ko in 10 seconds then wandi in november

by richard on Jul 17, 2007 2:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone actually watch the Jardine/Alexander fight? Jardine actually staggered Alexander, then got caught while using a shitty muay thai clinch. I think Alexander even got away with an illegal knee to the face while Jardine’s knees were on the ground (the coup de grace, Jardine was admittedly done by then). I’m not saying Alexander didn’t deserve to win that fight, but it’s not like Jardine was just a punching bag.

And Liddell has always done well against grapplers. It would be nice to see him tested against another striker.

As for Alexander or Forrest being more deserving, well, Alexander is still relatively unknown and Forrest got KO’d by Jardine and didn’t exactly impress in his follow-up.

by Gary on Jul 17, 2007 2:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a decent matchup. I dont think Keith has necessarily gained a Fight with Lidell. But in a pinch this is a decent fight. And whats with everyone hating on Jardine like he’s Koscheck or something? I bet after Lidells loss to Page Jardine might think he can go in a KO Chuck. And ya know he just might. But if Records mean anything Liddell is so gonna mop the floor with Jardine and this wont make it past Rd 1. As far a Machida vs Rua that is a hard one to judge. Despite Machida’s Decision wins you cant count him out. Shogun is just so agressive so i dunno. I’ll be happy just to see the fight reguardless of who wins. Machida has alot of Decision wins and someone mentioned that. But you cant really judge a fighter by that. Remember “Decision Dan” and now look at him Henderson has Ko’ed some tuff competition. Alot of MMA’s best fighters have more than a few Decision wins and losses on their records. Machida is talented as all get out but Rua is break your face agressive. Gonna be a great nite with alot of great fights.

by Thor1982 on Jul 17, 2007 2:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This shouldn’t be a main event… both are commin off loses, i realize Chuck is one of the biggest names in MMA but common Danaas gonna have to do better than that to get my $$! hopefully there will be some more good quality fighters on the card.

by CanadianFighter on Jul 17, 2007 2:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats fuckin bullshit i would rather see him fight forest

by talmadge on Jul 17, 2007 3:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This shouldn’t be a main event… both are commin off loses, i realize Chuck is one of the biggest names in MMA but common Danaas gonna have to do better than that to get my $$! hopefully there will be some more good quality fighters on the card.

There are some great fighters on the card. even if you dont agree with the main event matchup you cant deny that at least 2 or 3 other bouts are killer fights. Maybe its because your not getting it for free so your partial and more critical of the lineup. But to me this is gonna be a great Event to watch. I would have liked a better main event with Liddell but this will do thats for sure.

by Thor1982 on Jul 17, 2007 3:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s gonna be a good fight guys, regardless of wether it should be a main event on a terrific card like that. Let’s count the number of upsets none of us expected, Serra over GSP, Couture over Sylvia, Gonzaga over Cro Cop, Rampage over Liddell. Maybe Jardine could win does anyone know? The answer is they don’t and thats why we love to watch MMA cuz anything can happen. I bet half you Liddell nuthuggers thought he was gonna destroy Rampage too, watch your words you might be eating them again.

by Donohue on Jul 17, 2007 3:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion this fight is a bit of a no-brainer… Both guys are coming off humiliating losses… Someone will inevitably win and gain their confidence again (most likely chuck by TKO).

A lot of people are quick to dismiss a fighter after he loses, especially if he gets caught and (T)KO’d. Remember this is MMA, literally anything can happen in a fight. Jardine is a respectable opponent for a “non-champion” Chuck.

by Octagonal on Jul 17, 2007 3:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

vera should of really stepped in on this

by richard on Jul 17, 2007 4:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope Jardine wins.

by DirtyML on Jul 17, 2007 4:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana just wants Lidell to fight in this card so more people will watch and discover who Shogun is. That was why he was pushing Silva and Lidell to fight in 76 so badly.

by Chris on Jul 17, 2007 4:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Richard has a point. Would have been good to see Vera fight Chuck, especially since he has previously mentioned he wants to fight the IceMan in his prime.

I would have also liked to see Vitor come back and have a re-match with Chuck. Get everyone back in the mix. He has cut down a little and looks good at the moment.

Chuck by KO, just so we can see him take on The Axe Murderer.

by DownUnder on Jul 17, 2007 4:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha sorry to tell u but shoguns gonna knock him out.
Machidas last 4 fights went to decision it could have went either way win or lose. In the other hand shogun has knocked out some of the best fighters in the world including rampage,Arona, overeem ect. know your history be4 you even type any dumb remarks. Dana white doesnt know how to fights together someone should knock him out.LOL.

You cant do head stomps in the ufc.

by thenovemberact on Jul 17, 2007 5:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bye the way thats not a dumb remark, machida is the real deal, Everyone will find that out at 76, i say he beats Shogun via Tko, shogun is just to agressive, he will feed in to Machidas style. shogun will lose!

by thenovemberact on Jul 17, 2007 5:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Jardine has a fighting style that can beat Chuck and I wouldn’t be suprised if he pulls off an upset. There maybe others that deserve the opportunity more than Jardine, but I think he will definately put up a good fight Chuck has beaten a hell of a lot of top guys without a doubt, but he has beaten most of all of those guys without really getting hit. When he does get hit by a pretty decent puncher, you’ve seen what can happen. It only took one punch from Rampage to put Chuck down, Jardine took quite a few heavy shots off Houston Alexander before he went down. Look at the two fights again. Jardine is a tough fighter, who can punch and probably take a better punch than Chuck can. He destroyed Forrest in the first round which is pretty good going considering how tough and how much punshment Forrest can take. Chuck better stay away from Jardines heavy hands otherwise he is going to be in trouble. For me this is a pretty even fight, but again if Jardine takes it wouldn’t surprise me. Chuck is one of my favourite fighters, but I don’t have a problem with saying when I think one of my favourites has a chance of getting beaten. Jardine is definately the sort of opponent that I think can cause Chuck problems.

by Ade on Jul 17, 2007 5:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its the year of upsets so liddel watch out

by richard on Jul 17, 2007 5:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is dangerous for Liddell. If he loses (admittedly not likely) where does he go from there. If he lost to Wandy it wouldn’t be such a big deal as it’s two evenly matched skilled fighters that are both big names. Both near the top of the food chain. Lose to Wandy and it’s not the end. Lose to Jardine and it’s over.

Chuck does not gain a single thing beating Jardine and does not really move back up the ladder either. Shame on you Joe Silva and Dana White.

I agree if Jardine wins then he’s closer to a title shot- maybe a lot closer- but I don’t see him jumping the line ahead of Rua or Henderson. Liddel with a loss here could end the possibility of a November Silva fight just like Silva’s losses to Henderson and Crocop KO’d the first matchup.

by Mamas Boy on Jul 17, 2007 6:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious houston alexander destroy chuck?


I have to see a second HA fight before I say the guy is for real. He caught Jardine convincingly but Jardine got reckless.

by Mamas Boy on Jul 17, 2007 6:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Houston Alexander would destroy Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Houston Alexander has had one fight in the Ufc and your talking like hes an MMA god,I would bet my life on it Chuck would destroy him and so would Jardine in a rematch,Jardine got caught out being cocky and overconfident it happens.

by mcanena on Jul 17, 2007 6:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Jardine has a fighting style that can beat Chuck and I wouldn’t be suprised if he pulls off an upset. There maybe others that deserve the opportunity more than Jardine, but I think he will definately put up a good fight Chuck has beaten a hell of a lot of top guys without a doubt, but he has beaten most of all of those guys without really getting hit. When he does get hit by a pretty decent puncher, you’ve seen what can happen. It only took one punch from Rampage to put Chuck down, Jardine took quite a few heavy shots off Houston Alexander before he went down. Look at the two fights again. Jardine is a tough fighter, who can punch and probably take a better punch than Chuck can. He destroyed Forrest in the first round which is pretty good going considering how tough and how much punshment Forrest can take. Chuck better stay away from Jardines heavy hands otherwise he is going to be in trouble. For me this is a pretty even fight, but again if Jardine takes it wouldn’t surprise me. Chuck is one of my favourite fighters, but I don’t have a problem with saying when I think one of my favourites has a chance of getting beaten. Jardine is definately the sort of opponent that I think can cause Chuck problems.

What are you talking about,you mean Chuck Liddell or some other Chuck,Liddell has a great chin and has showed it alot of his fights,even his last fight you saw he got caught pin point on the button then pounded out and recovered in a matter of seconds.Chucks chin is like steel,watch his fight against Guy Metzger and the one against Alistar Overeem if you need proof.

by mcanena on Jul 17, 2007 6:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s gonna be a good fight guys, regardless of wether it should be a main event on a terrific card like that. Let’s count the number of upsets none of us expected, Serra over GSP, Couture over Sylvia, Gonzaga over Cro Cop, Rampage over Liddell. Maybe Jardine could win does anyone know? The answer is they don’t and thats why we love to watch MMA cuz anything can happen. I bet half you Liddell nuthuggers thought he was gonna destroy Rampage too, watch your words you might be eating them again.

Liddell is my number 1 fighter and I said all along in here that Chucks my fave but hes gonna loose to Rampage,look for yourself.

by mcanena on Jul 17, 2007 7:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is a dumb fight, and poor poor jardine…he will be missed.

R.I.P. Kieth

by Mr.Murda on Jul 17, 2007 7:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Houston Alexander would destroy Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, Lets see here… Alex’s UFC debute was lets see LAST WEEK! UFC is a proving ground And Alex needs to DESERVE it not just “hey he knocked out someone TITLE SHOT..DER DER”. Jardine is a well respected fight who as we all have seen simply got caught.. period.

by Josh on Jul 17, 2007 8:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This highlights the problem the UFC is facing. There are just not enough good fighters. This fight in no way gets me pumped. Frankly, I don’t care who wins.

by Jason on Jul 17, 2007 8:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im just very confused right now, I would have bet my left testicle that Forrest Griffen would be getting this fight. It makes way more snese to have Chuck fight Forrest because no matter the outcome of the fight, I think fans would have been happy with either outcome. I mean Forrest is a very likeable guy and can be a huge marketing tool for the UFC much like Liddell has been the UFC poster boy. Its a lose-lose for Chuck fighting Keith Jardine. If he wins he just adds another notch to his belt and lines himself up for a title shot. If he loses, he is forced to fight the likes of Rashad Evans and Stephan Bonnar for the last year and a half he has in the UFC.

You would think that matchmaker Joe Silva would use his head just a lil bit more right ? Guess not. Jardine wins then all of a sudden we start hearing ridiculous blogs on how Stephan Bonnar and Houston Alexander could also beat Liddell. Bad match up all in all.

Kevin “cuts” Kelly

by Kevin Kelly on Jul 17, 2007 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1ST – Chuck is never going to fight Forrest first of all unless its for a title shot. People love chuck and people love forrest. Dana purposely puts fighters that people hate against fighters that people love. at least in forrest and chucks case cause they were what made mma blow up like it did.

2ND- Shogun is going to absolutely destroy Machida. Yeah Machida beat Franklin and is undefeated but some of you UFC fans have no idea about these pride fighters coming over and Shogun is fuckin BADASS!!! He just recently won the light heavyweight gand prix of pride for gods sake. Machida is FUCKIN DONE!!

3rd – Jardine is going to get a FATALITY done on his ass. Fuck a knockout. Chucks gonna punch right through his bald ass head.

4th – The John Fitch and Diego should be a damn good fight. People dont know fitch too well but ive been watching him and dude has talent. Anyone thats on a 16 fight win streak or somethin like that is no joke. I hope John beats Deigos punk ass!!

by stunnalator on Jul 17, 2007 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Shogun fight is the Main event in my eyes..Chuck vs. Jardine looks like a family BBQ scarp between cousins..

by PhilQNY on Jul 17, 2007 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It’s gonna be a good fight guys, regardless of wether it should be a main event on a terrific card like that. Let’s count the number of upsets none of us expected, Serra over GSP, Couture over Sylvia, Gonzaga over Cro Cop, Rampage over Liddell. Maybe Jardine could win does anyone know? The answer is they don’t and thats why we love to watch MMA cuz anything can happen. I bet half you Liddell nuthuggers thought he was gonna destroy Rampage too, watch your words you might be eating them again.

Rampage beating Chuck was not an upset

by Yohnstoppable on Jul 17, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

chuck by vicious tko in the first.

by nathan on Jul 17, 2007 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fitch/Diego or Machida/Shogun should be the main event. Chuck vs Jardine will be the worst main event in a LONG time. This is complete bs

Definitely NOT main even worthy. But neither was Franklin/Okami nor Tim Sylvia/Jeff Monson (but at least that one was for a title).

Now if they can find a main event for this card, it will be shaping up to be thier best PPV line up to date.

by ViolentMike on Jul 17, 2007 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone actually watch the Jardine/Alexander fight? Jardine actually staggered Alexander, then got caught while using a shitty muay thai clinch.

This is what I was thinking too… Everyone remembers the finish of that fight but a few seconds before that great finish, Houston was almost knocked out.

I think that Alexander Houston is going to be groomed to have a big fight later and that is why he isn’t being fed to Chuck. Jardine has a 2 for 1 record right now and I think they want to test him and Chuck to see who is worth top billing.

If Jardine KOs Chuck then a November Chuck v Wandy fight would make sense still as “two beaten warriors look for redemption” plus everyone wants to see that fight no matter what; and Jardine will have redeemed himself.

If it goes the other way then the Chuck v Wandy fight has more buzz and Jardine becomes a jobber.

If

by brian on Jul 17, 2007 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Lets see here… Alex’s UFC debute was lets see LAST WEEK! UFC is a proving ground And Alex needs to DESERVE it not just “hey he knocked out someone TITLE SHOT..DER DER”. Jardine is a well respected fight who as we all have seen simply got caught.. period.

I agree, Alexander does not deserve a shot at Liddel after only one fight, though such things have happened before, ie: Anderson Silva beats Leben in 49 seconds, (sound familiar?). That happened to work out well though, since Anderson IS a beast, and made short work of Franklin.

Its a gamble when you do that, this time around they didn’t gamble on Alexander. I give the man credit though, Jardine didn’t get “caught”, he got BEAT DOWN!! Unfortunately for Keith, he’s gonna get beat down again.

by ragnarr on Jul 17, 2007 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This was a long time coming. Yet a dollar short and a day late. Jardine deserved a shot before Houston had liftoff and Liddell lost the title. The fight loses it’s oomph factor that the fight is going to be a loser/loser fight. Both are Top Shelf in my book it’s just that this shoulda gone down when Chuck had the Belt. My prediction is at least three rounds if Jardine doesn’t do the dancing gorrila attack. Otherwise it’s Chuck in the first round.

Jay K.

by Jay K. on Jul 17, 2007 10:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston Alexander has had one fight in the Ufc and your talking like hes an MMA god,I would bet my life on it Chuck would destroy him and so would Jardine in a rematch,Jardine got caught out being cocky and overconfident it happens.

 Mac, I don’t know if you were watching the same fight I was. That win over Jardine was pretty decisive. He looked like a 10 year soccer player out there. Goofy as hell. HA was dropping some bombs. I would love to see him fight Chuck over Jardine. I would bet on Chuck in either case mainly for experience.

by grembone on Jul 17, 2007 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Houston Alexander would destroy Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Houston Alexander has had one fight in the Ufc and your talking like hes an MMA god,I would bet my life on it Chuck would destroy him and so would Jardine in a rematch,Jardine got caught out being cocky and overconfident it happens.

""Damn hate it when that happens"

Mac, I don’t know if you were watching the same fight I was. That win over Jardine was pretty decisive. He looked like a 10 year soccer player out there. Goofy as hell. HA was dropping some bombs. I would love to see him fight Chuck over Jardine. I would bet on Chuck in either case mainly for experience.

by grembone on Jul 17, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Jardine Knocks out chuck

by MIchael on Jul 17, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Dana picked this fight as a somewhat safe fight for Chuck….Where is Forrest Griffin?? That would be a much better fight but Dana is keeping both horses in seperate stalls…

by whatthe f on Jul 17, 2007 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, this is a little disapointing. I guess it’s hard to find guys that are truely of the same calibur as Chuck. Good news for Jardine is that……wait, there is no good news for Jardine. I hope that he gets paid well because he will be on a 6 month KO suspension after this fight.

by Freddy on Jul 17, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Liddell v. Belfort II.

by jt on Jul 17, 2007 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

keith has a chance to win, and i hope he does.

by MIchael on Jul 17, 2007 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Liddell vs.Griffin would draw more press for the UFC. IMO it’s a better matchup than this one.

by MWA on Jul 17, 2007 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am sure that I am in the minority but I will say it anyways… Dana White is whats wrong with MMA. A president of a company should not be best friends with any of the fighters in that company. It creates back stage politics similar to that which goes on in Wrestling its like Dana White is Stephanie McMahon and Chuck is Triple H and so long as their together Chuck will be in the title picture and will continue to be hyped. Dana has completely devalued and discredited Rampage with the lack of hype around him and not even trying to capitalize on the fact that Rampage has the potential to be a cross over star for UFC since he is funny enough to be on a SNL yet engaging enough to do a Good Morning America and has enough appeal to be on late night talk shows as well. Yet Dana has successfully made Rampage and the Light Heavyweight Belt unimportant now that his beloved Chuck is not the champ no more.

The sooner Zuffa and gang realize that Dana is hurting their product, the sooner they will be able to truly watch MMA take off. There are alot of fighters out there like Rob McCullough, Frank Shamrock, and most recently even Jens Pulver who’s main reason for not wanting to be in UFC is because of Dana.

Dana seems like the vince mcmahon of MMA like he is a character and because of his OVER involement with the TV face of UFC his favortism for fighters becomes apparent and is disgusting. Chuck will beat Jardine and then be right back in the title picture because thats where Dana wants him to be. UFC is no different than wrestling pushing one character to the moon while stepping over other guys who have the ability to be just as charismatic and embassadors to the sport. The deconstruction of Tito Ortiz by Dana White should be example enough of the fact that he needs to be removed as UFC president

by Bizarro Tommy on Jul 17, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stunnalator you make on nice point and that is all ….

1ST – Chuck is never going to fight Forrest first of all unless its for a title shot. People love chuck and people love forrest. Dana purposely puts fighters that people hate against fighters that people love. at least in forrest and chucks case cause they were what made mma blow up like it did.

Makes sense but what makes more sense is to pit Griffen against Liddell now … in another years Chuck will be drinking Metamucil and way past his prime. Have the two square off now while it can make some serious PPV dollars. Now this fight will never happen and we will never know the outcome.

The guy above me makes total sense and is right on the money.

by Kevin Kelly on Jul 17, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not just wait another month and let Liddell fight Silva, damn im so sick of dana white fucking the ufc fans over with this fight, that basterd wants control of everything and if he does not get it he’ll screw everyone. And fuck Joe Silva for letting this happen and for everyone blameing Wand for not getting this fight. I like Jardine and he is fun to watch but Silva Liddell is a fucking dream.

by TAPOUTFAN on Jul 17, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post Bizzaro Tommy. I couln’t agree more.

The sooner that Dana White realizes that he is a real life human being, and not some television character, the better off MMA will be.

by ViolentMike on Jul 17, 2007 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Liddell is an A class 205 fighter, on the same level as Shogun, Page, Hendo and Wandy. These four guys could fight each other over and over again and we’d get different results frequently. That’s because they all possess the talent to win. Jardine is getting an awesome opportunity to beat Liddell. Really, Liddell looked awful in his last fight, and he got KTFO, so do you set him up against anouther person from the A class? Heck no, he’s gotta earn his way back up to it. Now would I have picked Jardine to be that dude out of all the 205s, no, but he’s the only guy available. If chuck were real beast, he’d beat Shogun, then Wandy, but we don’t live in a perfect world, do we?Now all of you might think I’m crazy, but I’m going to pick Jardine by leg lock. Read Grappler Magazine if you want to know why.

by Hoodlum on Jul 17, 2007 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana White = Vince Mcmahon/Don King

by PhilQNY on Jul 17, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bizarro Tommy I agree 100% with you

by yoda on Jul 17, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice philqny
DANA WHITE=VINCE MCMAHON/DON KING
LOL BUT TRUE

by richard on Jul 17, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This makes no sense at all. Honestly, it will probably be a good fight, and Jardine could pull it off. But I have no idea why they would decide to do this. If anything Jardine and Forrest should have a rematch. So the question is, if Jardine wins does he get a title shot? Eh? What is this?

by Flaadog on Jul 17, 2007 12:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my point … Does nothing for the light heavyweight division. Plus its a lose-lose scenario for Chuck Liddell because IF he does manage to lose he will fight the likes of Stephan Bonnar and Michael Bisping forever … such bad marketing for a supposed multi-million dollar company.

At least if you have Forrest Griffen fight Chuck, no one will be too upset because Forrest actually has a fan base and he is a likeable guy. If Forrest were to win, he could finlly rematch Tito Oriz (who will beat Rashad Evans in his rematch) and the fight Quinton Jackson or maybe a Shogun level fighter. Makes all the sense in the world.

If Keith Jardine beats Chuck, we will see him fight Lyoto Machida which does zero for marketing haha its a joke. The UFC wont give Jardine a formidable opponent even if he does win because we all know we will get his lights put out by Quinton Jackson or Shogun. So what can we as fans expect if Jardine wins …. Woooooo hoooo Jardine versus Evans. Cant wait lol.

by Kevin Kelly on Jul 17, 2007 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is no way that this is a main event… chuck right now seems more like a warm up for the main event.

by william wallace! on Jul 17, 2007 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So what can we as fans expect if Jardine wins …. Woooooo hoooo Jardine versus Evans. Cant wait lol.[/quote]

jardine vs Bisbing

by BLOodyMEss on Jul 17, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t expect alot of folks to agree with me but I guess the facts can’t be denied.

by Bizarro Tommy on Jul 17, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is sooooooooooo stupid. the only reason this is happening is cause dana wants to give chuck an easy road back to the belt!! give chuck the winner of machida or shogun. thats what i call a match!!

by phiansouri on Jul 17, 2007 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chuck v. Griffin…(chuck K.O 1st round less 30 seconds)

Although, griffin likes to stand and bang, I just dont think he can hang with Chuck. i.e: Tito, Randy, Horn.. etc…

by Josh on Jul 17, 2007 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bizarro Tommy I agree 100% with you

by Jason on Jul 17, 2007 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bizarro Tommy I agree 100% with you

Bizarro Tommy, I totally understand what you are saying and where you are coming from, but I also see where Dana is coming from. It might not be good for the sport but as UFCMania, and Yahoo, brought to our attention this is why Dana wants Chuck to win. http://mmamania.com/2007/07/12/yahoo-buzz-index-ufc-internet-searches-down-potentially-worrisome/#comments

by Flaadog on Jul 17, 2007 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Could you imagine what would happen if Jardine actually won?

by Keith on Jul 17, 2007 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL at all the people saying Alexander is more deserving, that’s just ignorant. The guy comes in as a nobody and beats a contender in under a minute. You know what that means? It means we still know absolutely nothing about him other than the fact that he hits hard. I mean this guy could suck….BAD!!…and you guys wanna throw him in the main event just because he scored what could have been a very lucky knockout. Shame on you all.

Jardine is a guy who won a three round war with Gouviea (an extremely underrated fighter), dominated Whitehead, got robbed vs Bonnar, and KO’d Griffin. Now if Chuck was the champion, I’d say this matchup sucks, but he’s not, and Jardine is a much more deserving matchup than either Alexander or Griffin.

Also, I think it’s funny how people say Jardine is being fastracked, and then immediately afterwards say it should be either Alexander or Griffin. Hell, if you go by your guys logic Griffin didn’t even deserve that fight with Tito, and he sure as hell wouldn’t deserve a fight with Chuck now. I mean are you saying it’s OK to fastrack guys like Griffin and Bisping because they have more fans?

Anyway, I’ve been ranting, but I just think Jardine has earned this fight. Certainly, there have been numerous far worse matchups (Nate Quarry anyone?).

by Tim on Jul 17, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great post Bizarro – I totall agree. he has done alot for the sports popularity in the past 5 years but he will eventually kill it with all the BS.

by mayberry on Jul 17, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So what can we as fans expect if Jardine wins …. Woooooo hoooo Jardine versus Evans. Cant wait lol.

Actually, the two of them are training partners and close friends. They both have said that they would never ever fight each other under any circumstances.

by ViolentMike on Jul 17, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Soo Bizarro, you’re saying the marketing behind Chuck Liddell is killing MMA and that Tito is really a nice guy? Ok then.

by Tim on Jul 17, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston Alexander has had one fight in the Ufc and your talking like hes an MMA god,I would bet my life on it Chuck would destroy him and so would Jardine in a rematch,Jardine got caught out being cocky and overconfident it happens.


 
No i think chuck is old, Im not saying that because he got ko, he looked terrible in the Ortiz fight i dont think hes the same fighter, so yes i think HA would ko Chuck.

by thenovemberact on Jul 17, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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2ND- Shogun is going to absolutely destroy Machida. Yeah Machida beat Franklin and is undefeated but some of you UFC fans have no idea about these pride fighters coming over and Shogun is fuckin BADASS!!! He just recently won the light heavyweight gand prix of pride for gods sake. Machida is FUCKIN DONE!!

Yeah ive seen many Shogun fights, i still say Machida by nasty Tko via Knees! Shogun has way to much hype behind him.

by thenovemberact on Jul 17, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OMFG!!! DID ANY ONF YOU EVEN WATCH THE JARDINE v. HA FIGHT????

Jardine connected a pussy punch within the 1st 45 seconds and Alex went down, he came up swinging and that is what saved his life… PERIOD. Alex based on his first fight needs to work on his chin. I think he has potential but he is not the best fighter.

by Josh on Jul 17, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Win or lose Jardine stays active and exciting in the octogon.
This is the matchup I’d like to see for Chuck considering the alternatives.

by marshal on Jul 17, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Danna, that’s nothing for Chuck. Don’t make us lose credibility on UFC. You are starting to do fights like boxing.
Why not Chuck vs Brandon Vera, now that’s a fight…

by Jesusito on Jul 17, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why does everyone hate on Dana, he is the reason websites like this exist and has brought the UFC to what it is today. Who else is there for chuck to fight? Forrest was almost too scared to fight hector ramirez let a lone Chuck and all the other good 205er’s are caught up in other fights. It’s not Dana’s fault Wanderlei wouldn’t be ready for September, that fight will eventually happen probly in December at the year end event, so everyone stop crying. Jardine is a good fighter who has been given a chance to prove himself. And for the people who think Dana is killing MMA (which to you is probably just the UFC anyway), just because things aren’t done the way you would do them doesn’t mean its wrong. Chuck is where he is today because he is a great fighter not cuz he’s friends with Dana. There would be no MMA like it is today without Dana White.

by Donohue on Jul 17, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love it! If I could book a replacement for Wandy, it would have been Jardine. He is exciting. I don’t see what everybody’s problem is, it’s a way better main event than Marquardt at “Stacked”. Should be an exciting fight. Good job Dana/Silva! You can’t please everyone.

by theCloser on Jul 17, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fitch / Diego will be the main event in my mind!

by TonyDrip on Jul 17, 2007 6:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Soo Bizarro, you’re saying the marketing behind Chuck Liddell is killing MMA and that Tito is really a nice guy? Ok then.

No what I’m sayin is that Dana’s hardcore nut riding of certain fighters needs to stop. I put this question to you then. When Tito was champ Chuck was still in the UFC why didn’t Dana think to pour the farm into marketing him then? Oh I forgot at the time Tito was Dana’s best friend and was the face of UFC, Dana even said it himself when he said “I created Tito Ortiz.” He don’t mean that he did it with tinker toys bro, he means prudent match making designed to enhance the image and mystique of Tito as the face of UFC. It wasn’t until Tito and Dana had a falling out with Dana (around the time of UFC 30) that Dana began to turn on Tito and became good friends with Chuck.

Since UFC 30 Chuck Liddell has only been in a UFC Octagon with a legit striker TWICE in 13 UFC Fights… TWICE… And one is a decision win against a Vitor Belfort who’s sister had just been found chopped up in her boyfriends basement about a year ealier and the second was his Roy Jones Jr’esk T(KO) loss to Quinton Jackson. Now during this time frame Chuck all of a sudden is hyped as the hardest hitting man in MMA strings together a bunch of wins against guys who are primarily grapplers and then tried to capitalize on the fact that Rampage said he was not ready yet to fight Liddell again by saying to Rampage “What are you F’ing crazy? You already beat him before what do you mean your not ready?” (Don’t believe me look up some of the prefight Rampage vs Liddell 2 interviews with Dana White.) The greatest statement made was that Chuck was the Mike Tyson of UFC. VERY TRUE because Just like Mike, his opponents were hand picked guys who although good fighters in their own respects, were made to order for Chuck’s style of fighting and wouldn’t give him much resistance barring a lucky take down because none of them had legit stand up enough to really put Chuck in any real danger as long as he kept the fight standing.

BUT WAIT there’s more… Also do the research on the fact that Rich Franklin at one time wanted to move up to Light Heavyweight and campaign there but was “convinced” by Dana White NOT to make that jump as it would not be “good for business” and wanted him to stay at Middleweight and be the champ there.

Now that Tito Ortiz is no longer Dana’s favorite Dana takes EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE to diss Tito and talk shit. How professional is that from the president of a company? To talk shit and constantly try to downplay and discredit a guy who was basically the flag bearer of your company during the dark ages and has been apart of almost all the highest grossing PPV’s in the companies history? Is THAT good for MMA??? Is Tito a bad guy for wanting what every fighter should be getting? Tito realizes that ZUFFA is making money hand over fist and the fighters pay isn’t diddly compared to the revenue generated. Tito also realizes that with no fighters Union and no merchandice profit sharing that UFC is making money off the fighters in a way that is almost criminal. Does that make Tito a bad guy? Not to mention I fighters who have trained with Tito all say that he is actually one of the coolest guys in MMA next to Rich and Randy.

Dana himself to blame for not marketing guys who can truly dispell the myth of MMA just being a bunch of overly aggressive cavemen because he dont market the ones who can relate to the public and make them feel like "hey he’s a pretty good guy, like how De La Hoya, Ali, Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, and others have done for boxing.

by Bizarro Tommy on Jul 17, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said Donohue, the hate on Dana mainly comes from spoiled brats who quite simply don’t realize how much worse off the sport could be right now. Dana has his faults as a businessman for sure, but he is the best thing to ever happen to MMA.

by Tim on Jul 17, 2007 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Violent Mike has reminded me and all of us I guess that Keith Jardine and Rashad Evans are training partners and would never fight each other. I totally forgot about that one and GOD HELP US IF JARDINE DOES WIN … Matches to come

Keith Jardine vs. Jason Lambert – Did you hear a pin drop ?
Keith Jardine vs. Tito Ortiz – Totally changes the landscape of MMA and the UFC as a whole.
Keith Jardine – Houston Alexander II hahahahahaha
Keith Jardine vs. Kimbo Slice

Keith Jardine beating Chuck does nothing for the LHW division, because if they feed him to someone on Chuck’s level after that win (Jackson, Shogun, Silva) he gets his shit pushed all the way in.

At least if Forest Griffen beats Chuck, his fan base is happy and a fight between Tito or Quinton Jackson is EXTREMELY MARKETABLE.

P.S. Does Keith Jardine have a personality ?

by Kevin Kelly on Jul 17, 2007 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So because Forrest has fans it doesn’t matter if he proves himself? Great thinking, they should put you in charge. And if personality matters, Eddie Sanchez would get a title shot before CroCop.

by Tim on Jul 17, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Jardine wins but I’m pretty certain he won’t.

by KneeToTheFace on Jul 17, 2007 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Look like good bye Jardine. Two losses in a row wont get you the waive but a step closer. Liddell is acaged animal right noe hungry to get back in. He’s not getting any younger so he’s looking to climb the food chain again before retirement. His head just got to big. Liddell is still the top of the chain guy to beat. As for Jardine taking the fight…Sure why not he’s got nothing to lose. If he knocks out Liddell he would be back in the mix. It wont happen

Yeah I wouldn’t mind seeing Jardine going, apart from the upset against Griffin (anyone can get caught) what has he done. He hasn’t really beaten anyone. Liddell’s head did get too big for his own good I think. I agree there. The clock is ticking.

Most of TUF guys are overrated and are only there cause they draw the reality TV fan and casual mma fan.

by RobH86 on Jul 17, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jardine can always brag that he actually fought the Iceman.

by robodad on Jul 17, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So because Forrest has fans it doesn’t matter if he proves himself? Great thinking, they should put you in charge. And if personality matters, Eddie Sanchez would get a title shot before CroCop.

Dude CroCop has a wicked sense of humour. He is extremely funny. Don’t fall for the old I’m from a former communist $h!thole stony faced warrior in ring demeanor.

CroCop is a huge personality. Look at him punk Mauro and the mess fight at the BBQ party on YouTube. But when it’s time to do business it’s time to get serious.

by RobH86 on Jul 17, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bizarro Tommy has a mancrush on Dana White.

by Donohue on Jul 17, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Oh! The only one to get a boost from this would be Jardine as he moves up in stature, if he wins. Woops! I think Chuck needs to not have that flab hanging over his belt, needs to trade that for muscle. Punches per second will not take Jardine down and he will study Chuck’s past goofs and fight his weaknesses. Chuck needs to mix up his strategy so he can’t be read, like the counter to the body shot. Even if Chuck wins neither he nor UFC gains. I don’t see the point in the match, UFC should have postponed and invited the current champ back in for a match against a top guest outside of UFC.

by Powershen on Jul 17, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am sure that I am in the minority but I will say it anyways… Dana White is whats wrong with MMA. A president of a company should not be best friends with any of the fighters in that company. It creates back stage politics similar to that which goes on in Wrestling its like Dana White is Stephanie McMahon and Chuck is Triple H and so long as their together Chuck will be in the title picture and will continue to be hyped. Dana has completely devalued and discredited Rampage with the lack of hype around him and not even trying to capitalize on the fact that Rampage has the potential to be a cross over star for UFC since he is funny enough to be on a SNL yet engaging enough to do a Good Morning America and has enough appeal to be on late night talk shows as well. Yet Dana has successfully made Rampage and the Light Heavyweight Belt unimportant now that his beloved Chuck is not the champ no more.

The sooner Zuffa and gang realize that Dana is hurting their product, the sooner they will be able to truly watch MMA take off. There are alot of fighters out there like Rob McCullough, Frank Shamrock, and most recently even Jens Pulver who’s main reason for not wanting to be in UFC is because of Dana.

Dana seems like the vince mcmahon of MMA like he is a character and because of his OVER involement with the TV face of UFC his favortism for fighters becomes apparent and is disgusting. Chuck will beat Jardine and then be right back in the title picture because thats where Dana wants him to be. UFC is no different than wrestling pushing one character to the moon while stepping over other guys who have the ability to be just as charismatic and embassadors to the sport. The deconstruction of Tito Ortiz by Dana White should be example enough of the fact that he needs to be removed as UFC president

I hope you’re in the “minority”, because this stuff is almost silly. Take a business/marketing/promotions course and mabye you’ll understand the type of decisions that these guys have to make. Dana White is a major reason why the UFC exists today. Some responses to you points:
-there is absolutely no evidence that there is any backstage politics effecting the bookings
-as long as chuck is successful, he’ll be involved in the title picture (remember, he held the belt for two plus years…he deserves some build up fights)
-why would white be hyping the lhw division when the belt won’t be on the line until september? you can bet that rampage will be hyped when it’s his turn (just like sylva, sherk, and tito/evans were hyped weeks ago)…that’s the way things work…and i guarantee rampages face will be EVERYWHERE
-mma has truly taken off already…have you been away for the past couple of years…or in a coma???
-the three fighters you named are not ufc calibre…and i don’t think ufc fans are missing anything by them being elsewhere (rob m – he couldn’t fight in the IFL)
-chuck is deserving of a quick road back to the title (see above) – but white has stated that lidell will need ATLEAST two fights before being considered for a title shot
-many say that the axe murderer is a killer (which i support). if white is truly protecting lidell, why is he trying so hard for this fight?
-if anything, tito is as popular as ever. the only problem is that his in-ring ability is diminishing quickly – that will lead to his “deconstruction”…it really won’t be dana’s work

Finally, Dana White is relatively popular with the fans and usually provides us with a great product. This is why we discuss the ufc on this board. Why would Zuffa rid themselves of a president who has scored record profits, especially when there are no signs that this sport is slowing down?

by WADZ on Jul 17, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lame, and double lame if the other rumor is true. UFC needs to undergo a change. These handpicking fights to create(prop up) superstars is not going to get me to plop money down for the ppv.

Yawn can’t wait to see the fighter’s paycheck and pick the cans out.

by Blah on Jul 18, 2007 1:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Liddell v. Belfort II.

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IM GONNA PPUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

by mcanena on Jul 18, 2007 4:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Oh! The only one to get a boost from this would be Jardine as he moves up in stature, if he wins. Woops! I think Chuck needs to not have that flab hanging over his belt, needs to trade that for muscle. Punches per second will not take Jardine down and he will study Chuck’s past goofs and fight his weaknesses. Chuck needs to mix up his strategy so he can’t be read, like the counter to the body shot. Even if Chuck wins neither he nor UFC gains. I don’t see the point in the match, UFC should have postponed and invited the current champ back in for a match against a top guest outside of UFC.

I dont think Jardine has the power in his hands to realy cause Chuck problems and I could see him backing away from Chuck for ages untill Chuck cuts him off,forces a wild exchange and Jardine gets KTFO!

by mcanena on Jul 18, 2007 5:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude CroCop has a wicked sense of humour. He is extremely funny. Don’t fall for the old I’m from a former communist $h!thole stony faced warrior in ring demeanor.

CroCop is a huge personality. Look at him punk Mauro and the mess fight at the BBQ party on YouTube. But when it’s time to do business it’s time to get serious.

Did you see the thing where he was a postman for the day aswell,that was funny.

by mcanena on Jul 18, 2007 5:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not have Liddell vs Hamill,Hamill could take Chuck down with no hands and growl like a wild bear while hes doing it,and Hamill could probably stand with Chuck,I mean Hamills stand up is superb,he did a spinning side kick,checked leg kicks and did four consecutive superman punches(well tryed)against Rex Holman.
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!

by mcanena on Jul 18, 2007 5:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS FIGHT IS STUPID!!!!! Jardine will IMHO never be a title holder and never be ranked in the top 10. Lidell needs to fight someone atleast in the top 8. Lack of a better word and not to offend anyone but this Fight is GAY!!!!

by UFC_FAN on Jul 18, 2007 12:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keith Jardine!!!! Dont get me wrong I like the guy However facing Chuck I am sorry differnet league. KJ you have guts man

by Kickboxing Kev on Jul 18, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No what I’m sayin is that Dana’s hardcore nut riding of certain fighters needs to stop. I put this question to you then. When Tito was champ Chuck was still in the UFC why didn’t Dana think to pour the farm into marketing him then? Oh I forgot at the time Tito was Dana’s best friend and was the face of UFC, Dana even said it himself when he said “I created Tito Ortiz.” He don’t mean that he did it with tinker toys bro, he means prudent match making designed to enhance the image and mystique of Tito as the face of UFC. It wasn’t until Tito and Dana had a falling out with Dana (around the time of UFC 30) that Dana began to turn on Tito and became good friends with Chuck.

Since UFC 30 Chuck Liddell has only been in a UFC Octagon with a legit striker TWICE in 13 UFC Fights… TWICE… And one is a decision win against a Vitor Belfort who’s sister had just been found chopped up in her boyfriends basement about a year ealier and the second was his Roy Jones Jr’esk T(KO) loss to Quinton Jackson. Now during this time frame Chuck all of a sudden is hyped as the hardest hitting man in MMA strings together a bunch of wins against guys who are primarily grapplers and then tried to capitalize on the fact that Rampage said he was not ready yet to fight Liddell again by saying to Rampage “What are you F’ing crazy? You already beat him before what do you mean your not ready?” (Don’t believe me look up some of the prefight Rampage vs Liddell 2 interviews with Dana White.) The greatest statement made was that Chuck was the Mike Tyson of UFC. VERY TRUE because Just like Mike, his opponents were hand picked guys who although good fighters in their own respects, were made to order for Chuck’s style of fighting and wouldn’t give him much resistance barring a lucky take down because none of them had legit stand up enough to really put Chuck in any real danger as long as he kept the fight standing.

BUT WAIT there’s more… Also do the research on the fact that Rich Franklin at one time wanted to move up to Light Heavyweight and campaign there but was “convinced” by Dana White NOT to make that jump as it would not be “good for business” and wanted him to stay at Middleweight and be the champ there.

Now that Tito Ortiz is no longer Dana’s favorite Dana takes EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE to diss Tito and talk shit. How professional is that from the president of a company? To talk shit and constantly try to downplay and discredit a guy who was basically the flag bearer of your company during the dark ages and has been apart of almost all the highest grossing PPV’s in the companies history? Is THAT good for MMA??? Is Tito a bad guy for wanting what every fighter should be getting? Tito realizes that ZUFFA is making money hand over fist and the fighters pay isn’t diddly compared to the revenue generated. Tito also realizes that with no fighters Union and no merchandice profit sharing that UFC is making money off the fighters in a way that is almost criminal. Does that make Tito a bad guy? Not to mention I fighters who have trained with Tito all say that he is actually one of the coolest guys in MMA next to Rich and Randy.

Dana himself to blame for not marketing guys who can truly dispell the myth of MMA just being a bunch of overly aggressive cavemen because he dont market the ones who can relate to the public and make them feel like "hey he’s a pretty good guy, like how De La Hoya, Ali, Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, and others have done for boxing.

Damn good post man!

by AaronW on Jul 19, 2007 9:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No what I’m sayin is that Dana’s hardcore nut riding of certain fighters needs to stop. I put this question to you then. When Tito was champ Chuck was still in the UFC why didn’t Dana think to pour the farm into marketing him then? Oh I forgot at the time Tito was Dana’s best friend and was the face of UFC, Dana even said it himself when he said “I created Tito Ortiz.” He don’t mean that he did it with tinker toys bro, he means prudent match making designed to enhance the image and mystique of Tito as the face of UFC. It wasn’t until Tito and Dana had a falling out with Dana (around the time of UFC 30) that Dana began to turn on Tito and became good friends with Chuck.

Since UFC 30 Chuck Liddell has only been in a UFC Octagon with a legit striker TWICE in 13 UFC Fights… TWICE… And one is a decision win against a Vitor Belfort who’s sister had just been found chopped up in her boyfriends basement about a year ealier and the second was his Roy Jones Jr’esk T(KO) loss to Quinton Jackson. Now during this time frame Chuck all of a sudden is hyped as the hardest hitting man in MMA strings together a bunch of wins against guys who are primarily grapplers and then tried to capitalize on the fact that Rampage said he was not ready yet to fight Liddell again by saying to Rampage “What are you F’ing crazy? You already beat him before what do you mean your not ready?” (Don’t believe me look up some of the prefight Rampage vs Liddell 2 interviews with Dana White.) The greatest statement made was that Chuck was the Mike Tyson of UFC. VERY TRUE because Just like Mike, his opponents were hand picked guys who although good fighters in their own respects, were made to order for Chuck’s style of fighting and wouldn’t give him much resistance barring a lucky take down because none of them had legit stand up enough to really put Chuck in any real danger as long as he kept the fight standing.

BUT WAIT there’s more… Also do the research on the fact that Rich Franklin at one time wanted to move up to Light Heavyweight and campaign there but was “convinced” by Dana White NOT to make that jump as it would not be “good for business” and wanted him to stay at Middleweight and be the champ there.

Now that Tito Ortiz is no longer Dana’s favorite Dana takes EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE to diss Tito and talk shit. How professional is that from the president of a company? To talk shit and constantly try to downplay and discredit a guy who was basically the flag bearer of your company during the dark ages and has been apart of almost all the highest grossing PPV’s in the companies history? Is THAT good for MMA??? Is Tito a bad guy for wanting what every fighter should be getting? Tito realizes that ZUFFA is making money hand over fist and the fighters pay isn’t diddly compared to the revenue generated. Tito also realizes that with no fighters Union and no merchandice profit sharing that UFC is making money off the fighters in a way that is almost criminal. Does that make Tito a bad guy? Not to mention I fighters who have trained with Tito all say that he is actually one of the coolest guys in MMA next to Rich and Randy.

Dana himself to blame for not marketing guys who can truly dispell the myth of MMA just being a bunch of overly aggressive cavemen because he dont market the ones who can relate to the public and make them feel like "hey he’s a pretty good guy, like how De La Hoya, Ali, Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis, and others have done for boxing.

Great post if you like a narrow, unsupported, inaccurate viewpoint. I especially like the Riddick Boew reference – he did so much to make the public say “hey he’s a pretty good guy”…especially when he lost his marbles in the ring!

I think you’ve watched one too many conspiracy movies…

by WADZ on Jul 19, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ya know what im excited about this it will with out a doubt be a slug fest until someone is laying on the ground but on the other hand chuck isnt used to coming a loss like his last so he could be more orthodox…but eiter way i think it will be quick either one who wins

by Mark "Lights Out" Matheson on Jul 22, 2007 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

[quote comment=“105886”]Ah what the f^ck.Jardine doesn’t deserve to be in one octogan with chuck[/quote
Jardine is way more dangerous than people give credit for, his leg kicks are fast and responsive to takedowns, Jardine beat forrest griffin and got knocked out by alexander but liddel lost to rampage both liddel and jardine got screwed that night and jardine is well worth a fight like this and he has deserved it i say jardine wins by nnan. decision

by DeanofMean on Jul 25, 2007 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BETTING GUIDE AND TIPS——FIGHT CARD——————————- Shogun Rua vs. Forrest Griffin
Diego Sanchez vs. Jon Fitch
Jason Lambert vs. Wilson Gouveia
Tyson Griffin vs. Thiago Tavares Chuck Liddell vs. Keith Jardine WINNER OF THE NIGHT-chuck liddell—————- jon fitch————-Jason Lambert——————Tyson Griffin -——-"Shogun Rua

by >>> on Jul 28, 2007 7:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what a fight dana must love chuck to give him a easy fight hype him up again he will win this one by tko but next fight is not going to be pretty alot of good fighters now he probebly get ko again i can bet. A good fight be ryoto machida vs chuck liddell or muricio “shogun” rua

by fan on Jul 28, 2007 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I also think some people are not considering that Alexander already signed to fight Sakara before the Wandy negotiations broke down. This match is a last minute thing.

I don’t think Alexander is anything special….but Shakira? He should at least fight a guy for his next fight. Seriously though, to say that a guy with a record of 1-0 deserves a shot at Chuck…..that’s like saying….“my neighbor down the street beat like 2 dudes up…in a row….one of em slipped, broke his wrist and quite….but he was gonna win anyway….Chuck’s fuckin next.” Show some respect…Jardine’s getting his shot because he’s semi-reputable….and they think Chuck will win….The top brass want him on top….that’s the problem with stars in sports…it ruined boxing and it’s just a matter of time for the UFC…on paper…Jardine shouldn’t be fighting him….Alexander is not even debatable….and Griffin might be a bit too scary for a bounce back match.

by jeff on Sep 6, 2007 6:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no faith in chuck, he has beat everybody, and will end this quick like he as all others(besides ram)

by Rory on Sep 17, 2007 4:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

look what chuck did to couture, and look what randy did to the heavy weight division..

by Rory on Sep 17, 2007 4:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow i cant believe what i saw in this fight. Jardine won by decision and i think he fought a smart fight, although he was looking pretty cocky at times. He used his powerful leg kicks to his advantage and the abuse chuck took from them made him lose power in his punches. Jardines style is very uncommen and awkward to defend against. I honestly didnt expect what happened but it was easy to understand after witnessing. Good fight just hard to predict!

by Dave on Sep 23, 2007 2:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chuck Liddell is his own worst enemy…He doesn’t freaking train for his fights and he’s done nothing to try and improve his training habits or his boxing technigue…which to me looks like a club fighter…I’m not surprised at all that Jardine won this fight…

I am surprised that Jardine didn’t KO him and sooner than later Dana is gonna drop Chuck. Liddell can greatly benefit from some Jenny Craig and some Boxing lessons from Freddie Roach or Floyd Mayweather SR…because no way in hell will he beat any of the top 10 Light Heavyweights coming into fights in that kind of shape…

Rampage would destroy him. Houston Alexander would probably kill him. and believe it or not…I don’t think Rampage or Alexander can beat Rashad Evans. Chuck better get his head right or get out of the game.

by ROD on Sep 23, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not a big fan of Jardine’s but it was funny to see all the people running their mouths about how Jardine was going to get his ass kicked. Guess you were wrong huh?

by justbuildthefence on Sep 23, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah what the f^ck.Jardine doesn’t deserve to be in one octogan with chuck

chucks not the same guy anymore. if you watched this fight you saw that. he doesnt have the aggression or the rage like the old iceman did. i am very disappointed in chuck for the way he fought this fight.

by johnson on Sep 23, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

chucks not the same guy anymore. if you watched this fight you saw that. he doesnt have the aggression or the rage like the old iceman did. i am very disappointed in chuck for the way he fought this fight.

wrong, chuck is fighting the same way he always has. people just aren’t falling for his lame running away bullshit.

by anon on Sep 24, 2007 3:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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