Fedor VS CC Part III, if he’s talking retirement, feed him to Fedor. That is, if Fedor is coming to UFC, as rumored. I’d much rather see CC vs Vera or CC vs AA. CC vs Kongo is going to basically be a K1 bout.

Cro Cop vs. Fedor 2 would be disrespectful to the battle that was their first fight. I would like to see Cro Cop vs Couture though. A good point you present though; the matchmaking surrounding Cro Cop makes it seem like he has to prove himself to Dana White, when in my mind he should be treated like a first-class fighter (which he is) and be getting premier fights for every fight on his contract until he retires.

I dont think is going to be a terrible fight, for the record. I just think there are better and more marketable fights available that fans want to see. Just want to clarify.

Cro Cop vs. Fedor 2 would be disrespectful to the battle that was their first fight. I would like to see Cro Cop vs Couture though. A good point you present though; the matchmaking surrounding Cro Cop makes it seem like he has to prove himself to Dana White, when in my mind he should be treated like a first-class fighter (which he is) and be getting premier fights for every fight on his contract until he retires.

F*CK HIM…3 more fights and he said he’s retiring…P*SSY…RC is 43 and still going…

I dont think is going to be a terrible fight, for the record. I just think there are better and more marketable fights available that fans want to see. Just want to clarify.

Congo is garbage in mma…go kick brick walls or something Bongo

I think things really took a turn for the worse when cro cop lost to gonzaga, I don’t think Dana really had a backup plan in store for cro cop if he lost to G.G. Now they are kinda trying to build him back up by fighting plugs like Kongo who is not in his class which isn’t to the betterment of either fighter. I Totally agree with “knee to the face” he is a proven fighter and should only be fighting the premier talent. Where are these dream matchups Dana promised us with the purchase of pride??

Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski, Brandon Vera, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell (who has expressed a willingness to move up to heavyweight to fight Cro Cop) and Fedor Emelianenko (not a UFC fighter) are all better fights than Kongo just to name a few.

Yes, of course they are all better fighters than Kongo, but you also have to consider who would be available for UFC 75. Vera isn’t coming back til 2008 most likely, Nogueira is fighting at UFC 73, as is Randy Couture. Chuck Liddell is not in the HW division (yet) and of course Fedor is still fighting fighters that even MMA experts have never heard of. The only 2 names listed that he could possibly fight would be Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski, which would both be way better matches than Kongo. But I had heard that Arlovski may be fighter Nig Nog (assuming he wins) for the # 1 contender to the GG/Couture winner.

I agree…

Why waste the fights on Cro-Cops contract to fight anything less than stellar opposition? It would be sweet revenge for Cro-Cop to win the title on his last fight and then retire.

That is one of my pet peeves with the UFC. They take so long trying to build matches for revenue that alot of dream matches fall apart due to upsets.

That is one thing Pride always did better than the UFC. Pride would matchup tough fighters right away no matter if it was their first fight in Pride or not.

Fedor VS CC Part III, if he’s talking retirement, feed him to Fedor. That is, if Fedor is coming to UFC, as rumored. I’d much rather see CC vs Vera or CC vs AA. CC vs Kongo is going to basically be a K1 bout.

How do you get part 3? I thought they only fought once before.

F*CK HIM…3 more fights and he said he’s retiring…P*SSY…RC is 43 and still going…

I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8. He also amassed some of these wins when the UFC was garbage. CC was fighting way more frequently against the best heavies in the world. For all you UFC fans, Pride was superior to UFC up until a eight or twelve months ago. No doubt that the UFC is CURRENTLY the best pormotion out there by far but CC was terrorizing Pride when it was the shit—fighting 5 or 6 times a year! Give the man his respect and understand that he was probably drained after winning the GP. Gonzaga’s a bad boy and woke him up. Randy couldn’t stand with Liddell, how’s he gonna with CC? And CC’s sprawl is as good/better than Liddell’s before anyone comes with that bs. Can’t wait to see him fight the avenge his losses against Nog/Fedor/Gonzaga.

his sprawl didn’t look that good against Gonzaga. just sayin’.

People like stand up wars. Blow for blow action. Both of these guys are kickboxers who really like to stay off the ground as much as possible. So if you ask me, I think this is going to be one hell of a kickboxing match. Should be very entertaining. Not the most marketable fight. But lately all the big hype fights have been over shadowed by the no namers bringing it!

Stand up battle that Kongo needs because he’s got no ground game whatsoever. K1 bout as mentioned above with CC winning the bout from my MMA viewing experience. CC is still amore devastating striker and if it were to go to the game CC has a good gound arsenal that always goes unoticed.

This fight is going to end by KO for sure…..Let just hope it’s not CC this time. I don’t know what he will do if he get’s KO’ed twice in a row.

I’m just excited to see Crocop again asap. I think Gonzaga is just a badass, and was HUGELY underrated before they fought. He will prove how good he is when he beats Couture for the title.

And Kongo isn’t a bad idea for a fight. He is a good standup fighter, so the idea is to have a great standup war. With that being said, if Crocop doesn’t take this easily it won’t look to good for him.

I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8. He also amassed some of these wins when the UFC was garbage.

LOL I agree completely. I think Randy is great, but if you look at posts prior to his fight with Sylvia, no one talked about him like some MMA god. In fact, most people didn’t think he could beat Sylvia out of retirement. Now people wanna see him fight CC and Fedor!

I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8. He also amassed some of these wins when the UFC was garbage. CC was fighting way more frequently against the best heavies in the world. For all you UFC fans, Pride was superior to UFC up until a eight or twelve months ago. No doubt that the UFC is CURRENTLY the best pormotion out there by far but CC was terrorizing Pride when it was the shit—fighting 5 or 6 times a year! Give the man his respect and understand that he was probably drained after winning the GP. Gonzaga’s a bad boy and woke him up. Randy couldn’t stand with Liddell, how’s he gonna with CC? And CC’s sprawl is as good/better than Liddell’s before anyone comes with that bs. Can’t wait to see him fight the avenge his losses against Nog/Fedor/Gonzaga.

His sprawl is outstanding, but I don’t think it as good as Chuck’s sprawl. GG took him to the ground, kept him there, and controlled him. In fact, CC was lucky the ref stood them up(IMO) because GG was working. Randy is not Fedor, but if you don’t think Randy could potentially get CC on the ground, think again. And if he got him there, he could finish the fight.

F*CK HIM…3 more fights and he said he’s retiring…P*SSY…RC is 43 and still going…[/quote]

Crocop is probably one of the bravest men alive,would you fight Bob Sapp or Fedor or have the bottle to fight so soon after a defeat like the one Crocop had,Crocop is free to retire when he wants and he is the most deserving fighter in MMA for a title.
I hope Crocop wins the UFC HW belt and retires with what hes fought hard all his life for.

Kongos standup looks good when hes fighting people who dont want to stand,Crocop is way too quick for him and I can see Crocop totaly destroying this guy.

This is a win-win fight for the UFC. If Kongo wins then that just adds another name to the heavyweight division. If CC wins than he can fight the big names again.

I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8. He also amassed some of these wins when the UFC was garbage. CC was fighting way more frequently against the best heavies in the world. For all you UFC fans, Pride was superior to UFC up until a eight or twelve months ago. No doubt that the UFC is CURRENTLY the best pormotion out there by far but CC was terrorizing Pride when it was the shit—fighting 5 or 6 times a year! Give the man his respect and understand that he was probably drained after winning the GP. Gonzaga’s a bad boy and woke him up. Randy couldn’t stand with Liddell, how’s he gonna with CC? And CC’s sprawl is as good/better than Liddell’s before anyone comes with that bs. Can’t wait to see him fight the avenge his losses against Nog/Fedor/Gonzaga.

I still think Randy is an all time great. On one hand, he has been dominated in fights vs Liddell, Barnett, and Ricco, as well as a few embarrassing submission losses outside the ufc. On the other hand, he has 3 of the biggest upsets in mma history(Liddell 1, Belfort 1, and Sylvia).

He also has one of the most impressive lists of opponents in all of mma. Rizzo, Belfort, Liddell, Tito, Barnett, Ricco, Sylvia, Randleman, and Maurice Smith were all top ranked fighters when he faced them. Next up is Gonzaga, also top 10, as well as possible fights with Crocop and Nog. The guy doesn’t have many easy fights in his career, and being 43 makes it that much more impressive. A 15-8 record against that level of competition is actually pretty impressive.

With that said, he is no Fedor by any means. He does deserve his place in history, though.

I think after a cro cop win, he will be thrown into a huge fight with one of those guys mentioned above.

crocop needs victories to establish himself to the audience before he earns a ‘big’ fight.
his fights in japan mean nothing to the typical USA audience.

His sprawl is outstanding, but I don’t think it as good as Chuck’s sprawl. GG took him to the ground, kept him there, and controlled him. In fact, CC was lucky the ref stood them up(IMO) because GG was working. Randy is not Fedor, but if you don’t think Randy could potentially get CC on the ground, think again. And if he got him there, he could finish the fight.

I think Crocop’s sprawl is at least as good, if not better. What Chuck has over Crocop is the ability to get back up when he is taken down. Crocop has an AMAZING ability to avoid the takedown, but when he does get taken down he has little to no offense, and has a hard time getting back to position.

I don’t think Randy could finish him there, though. Most of Randy’s stoppages have come from just wearing an opponent down, as he doesn’t really have KO power. To think he can’t take Crocop down is madness, though. I’d say Randy has the best takedowns in all of mma. The reason being he actually uses strikes to set up his takedowns. He doesn’t go in telegraphing the hell out of them ala Mark Coleman, which would make it easy for Crocop to avoid.

“Someone needs to kidnap Cheick Kongo and get him to a good wrestling camp” – Joe Rogan

How do you get part 3? I thought they only fought once before.

You’re right, Part 2.

It seems like after Pride Final Conflict Absolute (which he KO’d Wanderlei, savagely), he is now doing it for the money. Training for money gets you KTFO.

This is probably the reason Fedor is putting the competitor clause in his contract…

It will be a kickboxing match, only difference will be: CroCop is a world class kickboxer, beating some of the best kickboxers of all times and always has been a top contender in K-1, while Cheick Kongo has decent kickboxing, but no where near the level of CroCop.

Also: the guy at the press conference said he finished Eddie Sanchez with a LHK and the ESPN guy pronounced his name and it was lated displayed as well as Filopovic. Looked a bit amateurish.

For the record Gonzaga did not shoot CC; he caught one of his kicks. I don’t even think it was a lazy kick considering it left a nice welt on his side—amazingly enough the only damage he sustained the whole fight. Even though Gonzaga is pushing 250 I’m still scratching my head at that catch. It was a solid kick from the best in the game. Maybe Gonzaga is that much of a beast. Never saw the guy prior to that night. Is this an argument for a super-heavy division? I don’t like the idea of it but it was so weirdd seeing someone man-handle CC, who is a frikin beast himself. So curious to see how a rematch would shake out. Props if that was Gonzagas plan—to catch a kick—and take him down. DOn’t see him taking CC down any other way. But I didn;t see him going top shelf with a high kick either.

Gonzaga managed to catch CC’s kick and take him down. Which has nothing to do with CC’s sprawl, it was just a crazy turn of events.

Gonzaga managed to catch CC’s kick and take him down. Which has nothing to do with CC’s sprawl, it was just a crazy turn of events.

Actually he did not caught the kick – he took it. His gameplay was probably to eat one of his kicks and then go for a takedown. It happened in the first round, where you still try to find your distance and usually place some “practice kicks”. Gotta give Gonzo respect for having the balls to consider eating one of those kicks to fulfill his gameplan.

Steamboat: there is a weightlimit for heavyweights as far as I know: 265lbs, anything above that is considered super-heavyweight, a weightclass that is not installed by the UFC and only very few promotions have those (K-1 and Pride being two of them).

Thanks for the info. Still, CC looked kinda small compared to Gonzaga. Makes things interesting but at what point does it become a bit of a joke, e.g., 215 guy v 260 dude. I love mathc-ups like that, especially when 215 guy wins (and 260 dude ain’t fat/sloppy) but makes you wonder.

Thanks for the info. Still, CC looked kinda small compared to Gonzaga.

I agree – it looked weird to see someone manhandle CC like that. I watched it with a few friends and one said Gonzaga looked and acted like he was pumped up on roids – too bad the UFC decided not to test anyone at UFC70, althou I don’t think its true.

Gonzaga is simply someone who has been overlooked by many, but his results at the BJJ mundials make it clear that he’s a worldclass grappler.

I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8. He also amassed some of these wins when the UFC was garbage. CC was fighting way more frequently against the best heavies in the world. For all you UFC fans, Pride was superior to UFC up until a eight or twelve months ago. No doubt that the UFC is CURRENTLY the best pormotion out there by far but CC was terrorizing Pride when it was the shit—fighting 5 or 6 times a year! Give the man his respect and understand that he was probably drained after winning the GP. Gonzaga’s a bad boy and woke him up. Randy couldn’t stand with Liddell, how’s he gonna with CC? And CC’s sprawl is as good/better than Liddell’s before anyone comes with that bs. Can’t wait to see him fight the avenge his losses against Nog/Fedor/Gonzaga.

CC vs Kongo is a good match.

Most people on this site know MMA well but UFC is a business, specifically a growing business with a constantly new (uneducated) audience tuning in to check it out. To a new viewer how can you justify a fighter who got his head kicked off in his last fight go up against another highly ranked fighter straight away without redemption.

CC said it himself he is shocked at what happened and eager to prove himself once more. This is the perfect time to feed him someone looking to come up the ranks. Cro Cop will train his ass off knowing that a loss here is absolutely not an option, Kongo see’s it as an oppurtunity to prove himself against one of the best fighters in the world. Both want it bad. By the way Kongo is no push over with a 19-3-1 record. Obviously he hasn’t faced the level of fighters CC has but still he wont lie down.

Either Cro Cop will will send Kongo to a funeral as the guest of honour (closed casket), or Cheick Kongo will pull off the biggest upset since GSP vs Serra. Either way it sets the stage well for the next fight of whoever the victor is.

CC losing to Gonzaga was a huge upset, but I don’t think people should underestimate CC, more like they need to wake up and see how good Gonzaga is. He has one lost against Werdum, and he lost that fight when he was relatively inexperienced so to me thats not something to laugh at.

Gonzaga may very well be the next big dominant fighter in the UFC. He has the tools to beat Randy, and Randy even admits that the fight is gonna be tough. Randy even said the difference may probably come down to experience (very true as Couture has fought in some of the biggest fights and some of the toughest competition in MMA), But gonzaga may have the edge in strength and speed much of that resulting form the age difference. I don’t think anyone will be surprised if Gonzaga pulls off another upset.

If Gonzaga beats Couture, you will have a new elite level fighter in MMA, and with little doubt as to why he won’t belong. Who knows, he may even give Fedor a run for his money (after all the last guy who KTFO Cro Cop went on to slam the russian on his head, only to realize he is immune to pain).

I think Cro Cop vs. Arlovski would have been a better fight.

I think Cro Cop vs. Arlovski would have been a better fight.

It’s the best possible fight that the UFC has the power to put 2gether….i mean, Dana isn’t gonna let him fight anybody special after the loss CC just suffered….AA vs CC makes the most sense to me.

On a side not, why does white feed CC Kongo instead of AA? If CC wins, he still won’t be getting a title shot, and if CC loses well he might as well release him from his contract since he won’t be that marketable anymore.

CC vs. AA makes sense. AA is a title contender and he needs a huge win to get him to the big dance. CC is on the rebound from a huge loss and beating AA will put him into contention. The winner of that fight can challenge the Champion for the title, and nobody will have a problem with that. Furthermore, the way these two fight, you’ll expect more fireworks than CC vs. Kongo. Only reason I see this is Dana White protecting Cro Cop from another loss, or simply put AA doesn’t want to fight him(this point I highly doubt but was brought on by someone else).

Put it this way,the way upsets are occuring in the UFC, NOBODY is safe from an upset. You don’t work hard in training you get KTFOed and you deserve to be. Cro Cop may be coming back training harder than ever, but if Kongo lands a lucky strike like Randleman, he’ll be out again(not likely butit can happen). I even believe Fedor can be upset if he can’t adapt to the octagon or he gets caught by alucky strike. This is the sport of fighting, expect the unexpected.

Tommy: no doubt. Good points regarding Couture. I guess I’m responding more to the cats who’ve never wathced Pride or automatically assumed the UFC is the be-all-end-all. OK, the UFC is shaping up to be just that with fewer roadblocks between making super-fights happen, but it wasn’t the case until very recently. Follow the money. The money was in Japan since 2000 and nobody is gonna get punched in face for less money if all they gotta do is get on a plane and fight overseas for the weekend. No TUF or American exposure but it’s kinda rediculous that those guys are unkown—1/2 the fans don’t even know who Nog is! Doesn’t help when the 73 TV promos don’t even mention him! A truely stacked card indeed but the man is probably the second or third most dangerous man on the world (not counting Shamrock). One the best fights anyone will ever see is CC v Nog. And most UFC fans think these guys ain’t the shit. Drives me crazy.

I see this is Dana White protecting Cro Cop from another loss, or simply put AA doesn’t want to fight him(this point I highly doubt but was brought on by someone else).

Maybe its CC that doesn’t want to fight AA….haha

A truely stacked card indeed but the man is probably the second or third most dangerous man on the world (not counting Shamrock). One the best fights anyone will ever see is CC v Nog. And most UFC fans think these guys ain’t the shit. Drives me crazy.

I think most UFC fans know just as much about Pride as they do UFC,IFL,EliteXC,Strikeforce,Bodog,Pancrase,King of the Cage,etc…I mean…you are either a fight fan or not right?……

Maybe its CC that doesn’t want to fight AA….haha

hehe… I would doubt that. even that point I made was from some post I found on Sherdog and I put very little stock into it.

Tommy: no doubt. Good points regarding Couture. I guess I’m responding more to the cats who’ve never wathced Pride or automatically assumed the UFC is the be-all-end-all. OK, the UFC is shaping up to be just that with fewer roadblocks between making super-fights happen, but it wasn’t the case until very recently. Follow the money. The money was in Japan since 2000 and nobody is gonna get punched in face for less money if all they gotta do is get on a plane and fight overseas for the weekend. No TUF or American exposure but it’s kinda rediculous that those guys are unkown—1/2 the fans don’t even know who Nog is! Doesn’t help when the 73 TV promos don’t even mention him! A truely stacked card indeed but the man is probably the second or third most dangerous man on the world (not counting Shamrock). One the best fights anyone will ever see is CC v Nog. And most UFC fans think these guys ain’t the shit. Drives me crazy.

I think Dana wants to let Nog to the talking with his actions in the Octagon. Remember Cro Cop, most devastating striker in the world being decimated by his own trademark kick…

People will know who Nog is in 73. then he’ll probably clobber some other schmuck like Mir or Sylvia with his patented submission and get his title shot. If he loses along the way… well, he’ll be food to feed Fedor with.

It seems that CC has become less interesting since he said he would quit in a few fights…I’m no longer invested in his success if he is only fulfilling contractual obligations.

I wonder if mirko even wrote said that quote or did someone write it? It sounded written to me. What do you all think?

I think most UFC fans know just as much about Pride as they do UFC[/quote]

You really believe that?

I think this fight will be awesome. Kongo will never take him down because he doesn’t have the ability and Cro cop wont take him down because he wants to prove a point. Hopefully it will be a stand up war.

The AVERAGE UFC fan would have trouble pointing out Japan on a map let alone knowing that most of the title holders and top contenders in most Pride weight classes would dog their UFC counterparts. I’ll be the first to admit that the UFC wasn’t as bad as I thought it was but if CC or Nog or anyone wasn’t on TUF they’re wondering who the fuck that scrub is getting into the octagon. Maybe a bit pessimistic but aside from FSN’s coverage of Pride, you’de really have to seek it out.

I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8. He also amassed some of these wins when the UFC was garbage. CC was fighting way more frequently against the best heavies in the world. For all you UFC fans, Pride was superior to UFC up until a eight or twelve months ago. No doubt that the UFC is CURRENTLY the best pormotion out there by far but CC was terrorizing Pride when it was the shit—fighting 5 or 6 times a year! Give the man his respect and understand that he was probably drained after winning the GP. Gonzaga’s a bad boy and woke him up. Randy couldn’t stand with Liddell, how’s he gonna with CC? And CC’s sprawl is as good/better than Liddell’s before anyone comes with that bs. Can’t wait to see him fight the avenge his losses against Nog/Fedor/Gonzaga.

Buddy 15-8 in overall mma….ok that was in RINGS promotion with no cage his greco is that helpful anymore. in UFC he only has 3 losses, n josh barnett was juiced so that was unfair…. randy has better wrestling that gonzaga n better ground n pound…. also…. he has made people look like complete retars all his life…. look at the top 10 greatest upsets in ufc history…. i bet randy is there at least 4 times… he is the only 5 time champion… first to hold titles in 2 classes…in which he destroyed tito when he was the best in the world… so check your facts b4 you say hes not an all time great

I have to agree. This is a waste of a fight. I was never a Joe Silva fan and am even less of one now. A loss br Mirko and his career is done. Even if Kongo wins, it is obvious he is going nowhere against anyone with a ground game. Like I said, waste of a fight.

Arlovski, Werdum, and Sylvia would be excellent fights to make. Sylvia would be the best since a nice KO win would put him over with the fans. If he loses to TIm, it makes Randy’;s win even more impressive.

I hate to say it but Cro Cop is overrated. Yes, he’s a great fighter, but he’s a small fish swimming in a big sea. There are too many well rounded fighters out there, and he’s simply not well rounded enough. His game has too many holes.

I like him and I hope he beats Kongo’s ass, but I smell an upset coming…His fans should be glad he’s not facing AA, Nog, Sylvia,(Couture), and even my boy Lesner – they’d all school him.

Great job to those who brag about watching Pride years ago…well done boys!!! That’s special.

I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8. He also amassed some of these wins when the UFC was garbage. CC was fighting way more frequently against the best heavies in the world. For all you UFC fans, Pride was superior to UFC up until a eight or twelve months ago. No doubt that the UFC is CURRENTLY the best pormotion out there by far but CC was terrorizing Pride when it was the shit—fighting 5 or 6 times a year! Give the man his respect and understand that he was probably drained after winning the GP. Gonzaga’s a bad boy and woke him up. Randy couldn’t stand with Liddell, how’s he gonna with CC? And CC’s sprawl is as good/better than Liddell’s before anyone comes with that bs. Can’t wait to see him fight the avenge his losses against Nog/Fedor/Gonzaga.

Who ever said he was the greatest figher of all time? He is a great fighter, but he is one among many greats. That 15 and 8 means nothing if you see who he fought. Randy is great because he has always fought the biggest and baddest muthafucka on the block at that time. He has never taken the easy win, ever. Lets see, Vitor Belfort, Kevin Randleman, Pedro Rizzo, Josh Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, and most recently Tim Silvia. At the time of those bouts, these guys were the best, even though some are not so much anymore, and yes, he has not always prevailed, hence his 8 losses.
Randy is great because he always fights the best, hell he held out on coming back from retirement until Dana offered him Sylvia (who at the time was the biggest and baddest fucker in the HW division). Think about that, he could have had an easy fight to build him up, but instead he takes a fight which could have easily demolished his reputation if he lost bad. Thats Randy, thats why hes great, thats why I consider him up there with Fedor, who may be the greatest of all time. Hopefully Ive proved a point, but incase I haven’t, I will just throw in that the guy has won 5 titles, that is quite an accomplishment. In my mind, Randy is and always will be a legend.

I hate to say it but Cro Cop is overrated. Yes, he’s a great fighter, but he’s a small fish swimming in a big sea. There are too many well rounded fighters out there, and he’s simply not well rounded enough. His game has too many holes.

I like him and I hope he beats Kongo’s ass, but I smell an upset coming…His fans should be glad he’s not facing AA, Nog, Sylvia,(Couture), and even my boy Lesner – they’d all school him.

Great job to those who brag about watching Pride years ago…well done boys!!! That’s special.

He fought against the best heavy weights his whole career. The UFC heavy weight division was the small the pond. He would destroy all those guys except Nog. That would be the best fight the UFC could put up right now.

ragnarr…your point is well taken. Randy is indeed a legend. 15-8 against the very best in the sport. Few, if any, weak opponents. So many fighters have had their records padded against weak competition. Not Couture, he’s ALWAYS faught the top talent.

I hate to say it but Cro Cop is overrated. Yes, he’s a great fighter, but he’s a small fish swimming in a big sea. There are too many well rounded fighters out there, and he’s simply not well rounded enough. His game has too many holes.

I like him and I hope he beats Kongo’s ass, but I smell an upset coming…His fans should be glad he’s not facing AA, Nog, Sylvia,(Couture), and even my boy Lesner – they’d all school him.

Everyone in Pride was overrated by the Pride fans. I think you are underestimating him though. You say he is a great fighter but then talk about how all those fighters can beat him. I don’t see AA getting anywhere with Mirko. He can’t strike with him and I don’t know if his takedowns are better than Mirko’s sprawl. Sylvia? I like Tim more than most, but Tim would have to gameplan really well and would still be lucky to beat Mirko. Mirko was dominating Nog until the armbar and he is a better fighter now. Lesnar is more one dimensional than Cro Cop.

I say throw him in there with AA or Sylvia and let’s see what happens. But I suppose it is too late. Joe Silva struck again.

ragnarr…your point is well taken. Randy is indeed a legend. 15-8 against the very best in the sport. Few, if any, weak opponents. So many fighters have had their records padded against weak competition. Not Couture, he’s ALWAYS faught the top talent.

Yup, how many other fighters can claim that, not many. Randy is my favorite personally. Cro-Cop is a great fighter, and will always be considered one of the best strikers in MMA history. Gonzaga was grossly underatted because he was an unknown. CC underestimated how devastating elbows can be, I was very surprised that he said that he didn’t think the octagon/cage had any influence on a fight!!!! BIG mistake, I am one of the few like Randy that predicted the upset on UFC 70. First of all, GG strength is CC weakness (ground game), and GG knows how to use the Octagon to his advantage. I didn’t doubt that to be a tough fight for CC. (though I didn’t expect a knockout admittedly.)
CC should beat Kongo, he is the better striker. I really hope Randy and CC meet before CC retires. From what I can see, CC will have to be very aggressive to beat Randy, which I don’t see happening. CC is typically shy about attacking a good ground fighter because of the risk of being taken down, he showed that against GG and Fedor. My pick for that fight would be Randy, as I said, styles make fights. Randy’s style beats CC.
Oh and I don’t give CC any disrespect for retiring, I am sad to hear it, cuz he is one of my favorites, but he does have a going on. He is rejoining the anti-terrorist unit in Croatia, I have never heard him speak more passionately about a career. I wish him well, even though I know he could go further in MMA, his contributions to the sport will never be forgotten.

Reading this post has been HYSTERICAL!

CC opponents have been tougher than any of those (RC, CL, etc etc).

Fedor (the terminator himself) has said that CC is his toughest opponent to date.

All you CC haters go keep hitting the sauce….

I will say it again. Styles make fights, case and point. Rampage beats Liddel (twice), Liddel beats Tito (twice), Tito beats Wanderlie Silva, Silva beat Rampage! With that said, who do you rank that highest out of those 4? Styles make fights, and I believe Coutures style will beat CroCop, as will Gonzaga’s. Both Couture and Gonzaga have similar styles to Fedor (aggressive standup that is designed to set up the take down). Fedor has the edge over Couture and Gonzaga with his enormous strength and explosiveness.

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I agree…

Why waste the fights on Cro-Cops contract to fight anything less than stellar opposition? It would be sweet revenge for Cro-Cop to win the title on his last fight and then retire.

That is one of my pet peeves with the UFC. They take so long trying to build matches for revenue that alot of dream matches fall apart due to upsets.

That is one thing Pride always did better than the UFC. Pride would matchup tough fighters right away no matter if it was their first fight in Pride or not.

You hit it right on the button. Pride was a superior organization and will be sorely missed by MMA fans around the globe. The only thing that might save UFC (in terms of quality)is if they fire the whole executive, then replace them with ex-pride employees.

You hit it right on the button. Pride was a superior organization and will be sorely missed by MMA fans around the globe. The only thing that might save UFC (in terms of quality)is if they fire the whole executive, then replace them with ex-pride employees.

Great idea…then, after mismanagement (and alleged ties to the mob) the UFC can be bought out and repackaged by the IFL. Incredibly great idea!!!

Ok, #1 randy is very legit!

1. CC is no joke…never was and never will be! #3 all this ufc vs pride is stupid…you guys had some great fighters(Fedor,Shogun,Nog,Wandi…)(look what happened to UFC’s boy chuck)but so did ufc….I do believe Mr. Diaz walked over there and beat your boy gomi down! Lets also not forget what happened to CC!

Dana, please let us see the winner of Rampage v. Henderson fight SHOGUN…the most well rounded fighter in the world!!!

Dana, please let us see the winner of Rampage v. Henderson fight SHOGUN…the most well rounded fighter in the world!!!

Thats quite a statement, what about BJ Penn? In my opinion he is the most well rounded in the world, no credit taken away from Shogun, who is in my opinion one of the best 205 pounders, but I can’t say he is THE best until he actually beats the best in the UFC.

Americana, not that I wouldn’t love to see that fight, Id also love to see lidell-shogun, and Tito-shogun.

I wonder if mirko even wrote said that quote or did someone write it? It sounded written to me. What do you all think?

you can watch him say it on ufc.com

If Tim Sylvia wins his next bout, I would like to see the winner of CroCop/Kongo face him. That actually looks like what is going to happen. The winner out of Sylvia/(CroCop/Kongo) vs Arlovski/(Couture/Gonzaga) then maybe after all that is said and done Big Nog will have a shot against the winner of that mess if he hasnt lost yet. Great fights coming up in the heavyweight division!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate to say it but Cro Cop is overrated. Yes, he’s a great fighter, but he’s a small fish swimming in a big sea. There are too many well rounded fighters out there, and he’s simply not well rounded enough. His game has too many holes.

I like him and I hope he beats Kongo’s ass, but I smell an upset coming…His fans should be glad he’s not facing AA, Nog, Sylvia,(Couture), and even my boy Lesner – they’d all school him.

Great job to those who brag about watching Pride years ago…well done boys!!! That’s special.

ARe you kidding me? Lesnar? Last I checked he beat up a chump and was paid half a million in a second rate organization. Throw him up against Sinosic and I’ll be glad to put my money on Sinosic.

If you actually watched CC’s fights he has impressive wins over guys from all sorts of diciplines. He had 5 losses, and really 2 I would consider upsets (Randleman and Gonzaga), Hardly any reason to write the guy off when he when the full length with Fedor, lost a questionable decision to Mark Hunt, and got careless against Nog (in a fight where he completely dominated up until he got caught).

You obviously don’t know what your talking about here when you quote crap about a washout WWE entertainer among the ranks of elite MMA fighters. Among th guys you list, besides Randy and Nog, I would Say CC would put a beating on any of them, and with Nog and Randy would likely be very close matches. Furthermore, Ex pride fighters have proven they can go up with anyone in the UFC, just look at Anderson Silva, Rampage Jackson, etc. Last I checked Pride fighter in general faired a lot better in UFC than UFC fighters did in Pride. Look how far Ken Shamrock went in Pride, as well as Guy Mezger, Gary Goodridge, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, and of course Chuck Liddell.

ragnarr…your point is well taken. Randy is indeed a legend. 15-8 against the very best in the sport. Few, if any, weak opponents. So many fighters have had their records padded against weak competition. Not Couture, he’s ALWAYS faught the top talent.

Yes, who could forget such intimidating opponents as:
- Tony Halme (total record: 0 – 1 – 0)
- Steven Graham (total record: 1 – 1 – 0)
- Maurice Smith (total record: 10 – 9 – 0)
- Enson Inoue (total record: 11 – 8 – 0, loss btw)
- Ryushi Yanagisawa (total record: 24 – 22 – 9)
- Mike Van Arsdale (total record: 8 – 5 – 0)

Randy fought alot of losers in the beginning of his career and afterwards alot of very mediocre guys who’ve all been very one-dimensional. Also 23 fights in 10 years kinda pales in comparison to Mirko’s 29 fights in 6 years, especially comparing the wins (22 over 15). Randy is a great guy, quite smart for a fighter and is a good posterboy, but he is nowhere to be found at the Top5 in my book.

A comparison to Antonio Rodrigo “Minotauro” Nogueira should put him to shame. A brilliant 29-4-1 record since 1999, thats (projected into the future) twice the fights Randy did in his career. I can hear the Randy nuthuggers coming, saying how great an athlete he is considering his age and yadayada … well, how great an athlete is Minotauro considering he was hit by a truck as a kid, fell into coma for a few days, lost a rib in that tragedy and part of his liver. Doctors back then fucked up his knee during a surgery (“forgot” something in it) and he’s practically half-blind on one eye.

Get over it – there are guys out there who are better fighters and have accomplished more on a professional and personal level than Randy. Time to let go off the Randy bandwagon and start to become a little more objective again.

I will say it again. Styles make fights, case and point. Rampage beats Liddel (twice), Liddel beats Tito (twice), Tito beats Wanderlie Silva, Silva beat Rampage! With that said, who do you rank that highest out of those 4? Styles make fights, and I believe Coutures style will beat CroCop, as will Gonzaga’s. Both Couture and Gonzaga have similar styles to Fedor (aggressive standup that is designed to set up the take down). Fedor has the edge over Couture and Gonzaga with his enormous strength and explosiveness.

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Styles do make a difference, but not all the difference. Randy’s style is supposed to dominate Chucks, yet we saw Randy get KTFOed twice by the Iceman. Tito beat Silva in an early encounter in UFC and Wandy has developed a lot further now. I would doubt we’ll see the same match again, jsut likeI don’t expect Wandy to be wipe out by Vitor Belfort if they every fought again.

A CC vs. Couture match is actually very hard to pick. Randy’s two KO came across a powerful and accurate counter puncher (chuck) and Cro Cop is is exactly that type of fighter. To me that is a match of which fighter can dicate their style of fighting. If Randy can get CC on the floor like he downed Chuck in their first encounter, then Randy can wear him out on the ground. If CC catches Randy with one of his accurate punches and stuns Couture, Then CC can pick appart Randy. CC’s punching power is really underrated because his highlight reel consist of numerous head kicks. But from watching many of CC’s fights in entirity, his punches strikes hard and accurately and they are normally the catalyst that sets up his patented high kick KO.

Styles these days matter as much as a good gameplan and preparation. Randy’s most underrated aspect is his detail in preparation and his ring tactics. If Randy does beat CC, I would attribute his win more to those elements than his style, because nobody prepares for a match like Randy Couture.

His sprawl is outstanding, but I don’t think it as good as Chuck’s sprawl. GG took him to the ground, kept him there, and controlled him. In fact, CC was lucky the ref stood them up(IMO) because GG was working. Randy is not Fedor, but if you don’t think Randy could potentially get CC on the ground, think again. And if he got him there, he could finish the fight.

Crocop is an awesome fighter but unfortunately the SpikeTV/TUF/UFC only crowd hasn’t seen it yet. Hey, they can be called the “TUFfies”. The people who think Kendall Grove and Ed Herman should be ranked #1 and #2 respectively because hey, “who else is there?”

If Tim Sylvia wins his next bout, I would like to see the winner of CroCop/Kongo face him. That actually looks like what is going to happen. The winner out of Sylvia/(CroCop/Kongo) vs Arlovski/(Couture/Gonzaga) then maybe after all that is said and done Big Nog will have a shot against the winner of that mess if he hasnt lost yet. Great fights coming up in the heavyweight division!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sylvia-Kongo would have been really interesting. A total stand-up war with Sylvia not having as great a reach advantage as usual. Sylvia-Crocop would be interesting too. I think Crocop can kick that high. More than likely though he would just chop old Timmy boy down. Bruise those thighs and then deliver his left to Tim’s chin THOCK! ala Arlovski. Crocop wouldn’t close as fast for the kill though so Sylvia couldn’t surprise him. Crocop would probably just tell him to get back up.

“Someone needs to kidnap Cheick Kongo and get him to a good wrestling camp” – Joe Rogan

Yeah definitely! We all complain on this board about fighters being protected and groomed: Bisping, Rashad Evans, Diego Sanchez, Koshcheck even… but it makes for better fights down the line if you give these guys time to develop. If this stays strickly standup then Kid Kongo will be okay but Crocop decides to take it to the ground (I don’t think he would- he’ll want to beat him standing up) there isn’t much Kongo can do.

Actually he did not caught the kick – he took it. His gameplay was probably to eat one of his kicks and then go for a takedown.

I hate to say it but Cro Cop is overrated.
I like him and I hope he beats Kongo’s ass, but I smell an upset coming…His fans should be glad he’s not facing AA, Nog, Sylvia,(Couture), and even my boy Lesner – they’d all school him.
That’s special.

HAHAHAHA… working Brock Lesner in with those other names! Your son Brock laid on one guy who had no ground game. I understand you are proud to be his father but your son needs to work his way up before you put him on that list. He isn’t even on the bottom rung of the ladder yet.

WOW…some ppl take this so seriosly. I don’t think the UFC managment really cares about wtf us fans want to see. All the fights they set up seem to be based on availibility, timing, and then the “drawing power.” We all see what these guys get paid…2 much or 2 little?…u think fighters’ managers don’t get in their fighter’s ears and tell them what to do.,what’s “best for them.” If I could just be a matchmaker with no worries over contracts or fighters’ personal feelings about taking fights whenever,…then I would take Joe Silva’s job(if they offered it to me)…even Dana said it’s the worst aspect of the job. U have to try to please everybody somehow. F*CK THAT!

Hey, I can be wrong too…I’m just saying what I think.

Also 23 fights in 10 years kinda pales in comparison to Mirko’s 29 fights in 6 years, especially comparing the wins (22 over 15).

And how many MMA belts has CC had? 5 or more? OK then, please shut up.

And how many MMA belts has CC had? 5 or more? OK then, please shut up.

a little touchy aren’t we ViolentMike?…

I dont think is going to be a terrible fight, for the record. I just think there are better and more marketable fights available that fans want to see. Just want to clarify.

Im with you….

Many fights you could put CC in that would be aboslute blockbusters… and you listed most of them. Couture, Sylvia, Liddell, Minotauro (dont think they ever fought..), Arlovski..

a little touchy aren’t we ViolentMike?…

I guess he calls himself ViolentMike for a reason. Too bad he is not I-Have-Good-Arguments-Mike, because he could not address a single of my arguments apparently.

In my neighborhood I got a two-time K-1 World GP Champion, I got a two time european kickboxing champion and a former two time boxing champion (IBF light heavyweight and WBO light heavyweight). Belts have no meaning if you did not earned them against the best. And wining titles against Maurice Smith and Kevin Randleman hardly qualify as real competitive fights.

Once he defends his title against Cro Cop, Minotauro, Barnett or Fedor I will give him all the credit he wants, as it would be due. But a talentless Tim Sylvia? Please …

Many fights you could put CC in that would be aboslute blockbusters… and you listed most of them. Couture, Sylvia, Liddell, Minotauro (dont think they ever fought..), Arlovski..

Cro Cop and Minotauro fought and he lost at Pride Final Conflict 2003 due to an armbar. But it was quite early in his career. People wanted the highly anticipated fight CroCop-Minotauro II at the Pride OWGP Finals, but Barnett won the semi-final fight with a split decision against Minotauro, so that fight never happened. Shortly after Mirko left for the UFC and Minotauro avenged his loss against Barnett at Pride Shockwave 2006 (the new years event of Pride).

Once he defends his title against Cro Cop, Minotauro, Barnett or Fedor I will give him all the credit he wants, as it would be due. But a talentless Tim Sylvia? Please …

i hear what you are saying, but remember that was at that time. ofcoure things are different now…but @ the time those guys were considered the best….it was about a talentless T. Sylvia, it was about doing it @ 43yrs old and doing it after a year on the sidelines!

In my neighborhood I got a two-time K-1 World GP Champion, I got a two time european kickboxing champion and a former two time boxing champion (IBF light heavyweight and WBO light heavyweight). Belts have no meaning if you did not earned them against the best. And wining titles against Maurice Smith and Kevin Randleman hardly qualify as real competitive fights.

Are are any of those MMA belts?? Didn’t Bob Sapp and ButterBean hold belts in all of those corny leagues as well? Please tell me who CC beat to win those belts. Those belts mean nothing (except for possibly the K1 grand prix). I Guarantee you that Maurice Smith and Kevin Randleman would DESTORY them in an MMA fight back when Randy beat them.

So since Floyd Maywehter has so many belts, he can come into MMA and dominate too, right? Hey, my little cousin just won a 12 year old karate tournament. Should I now mention him in the same breath as CC and Randy?

JUST FOR THE RECORED EVERYBODY, KEVIN RANDLEMAN KNOCKED OUT CRO COP IN 2004 IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THEIR FIGHT.

RANDY COUTURE KNOCKED OUT KEVIN RANDLEMAN IN 2000 IN THE 3RD ROUND.

IN 2000 (WHEN RANDY FOUGHT HIM), RANDLEMAN WAS A FORCE IN MMA. IN 2004, RANDLEMAN WAS A SCRUB AND HE KNOCKED OUT CRO COP.

WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT YOUTAPPED….I DOUBT IT.

Wow, that news to me. Really? You mean the loss Cro Cop avenged by choking Randleman out? And the loss that caused Cro Cop to go on a knock-out spree, wining his next 7 fights? No, I absolutely did not knew that. Oh boy …

Also: are uppercase letters a symbol for shouting? The louder you say something the more true it gets, right? Also MMA math is the most ridiculous thing since Liddell’s black toenails. Josh Barnett beat Randy Couture – Cro Cop has three victories over Barnett, so Cro Cop is three times the fighter Randy is by your logic (please bring the roids excuse …).

that wasnt math at all. It did say the typical A beat B, and Bbeat C, so that means A has to beat C ….. I too really can’t stand when people think/talk like that.

I was just simply pointing out the facts. I only stated the winner of two fights. Please point out my mathematical equation, becaue I am not seeing it.

Cro Cop lost to Randlman 4 years after Randy beat Randleman. That’s all I said. I didn’t ask what the answer is to pie squared minus the quadratic equation times the speed of light raised to the 6th degree equals stop hanging off of Cro Cops nipples.

that wasnt math at all. It DIDN’t (OOPS, I forgot the “’t” in my first post) say the typical A beat B, and Bbeat C, so that means A has to beat C ….. I too really can’t stand when people think/talk like that.

I was just simply pointing out the facts. I only stated the winner of two fights. Please point out my mathematical equation, becaue I am not seeing it.

Cro Cop lost to Randlman 4 years after Randy beat Randleman. That’s all I said. I didn’t ask what the answer is to pie squared minus the quadratic equation times the speed of light raised to the 6th degree equals stop hanging off of Cro Cops nipples.

Wow guys, why are we fighting over wh

Yes, who could forget such intimidating opponents as:
- Tony Halme (total record: 0 – 1 – 0)
- Steven Graham (total record: 1 – 1 – 0)
- Maurice Smith (total record: 10 – 9 – 0)
- Enson Inoue (total record: 11 – 8 – 0, loss btw)
- Ryushi Yanagisawa (total record: 24 – 22 – 9)
- Mike Van Arsdale (total record: 8 – 5 – 0)

Randy fought alot of losers in the beginning of his career and afterwards alot of very mediocre guys who’ve all been very one-dimensional. Also 23 fights in 10 years kinda pales in comparison to Mirko’s 29 fights in 6 years, especially comparing the wins (22 over 15). Randy is a great guy, quite smart for a fighter and is a good posterboy, but he is nowhere to be found at the Top5 in my book.

A comparison to Antonio Rodrigo “Minotauro” Nogueira should put him to shame. A brilliant 29-4-1 record since 1999, thats (projected into the future) twice the fights Randy did in his career. I can hear the Randy nuthuggers coming, saying how great an athlete he is considering his age and yadayada … well, how great an athlete is Minotauro considering he was hit by a truck as a kid, fell into coma for a few days, lost a rib in that tragedy and part of his liver. Doctors back then fucked up his knee during a surgery (“forgot” something in it) and he’s practically half-blind on one eye.

Get over it – there are guys out there who are better fighters and have accomplished more on a professional and personal level than Randy. Time to let go off the Randy bandwagon and start to become a little more objective again.

Cmon man, I am not trying to take anything away from CC or Nog, I believe they are great fighters too, they will retire as legends. My argument is simply that Randy has earned a place WITH them, I am not saying that he is better than any of them. I am not a “Randy nuthugger”

Why are we comparing their records and fights, they have all done great things.

Right, it all got started because people were saying that Randy Couture sucks becuase his record is 15-8. These HAVE to be people that started watching UFC once TUF came out.

If you want to know my opinion, I think Randy would beat CC if they fought, he would win via decision, however I do not think Randy can beat Nog. CC could beat Nog though, in their last fight, CC was winning the fight before he gave up an arm to the BJJ master. That was before CC had a decent ground game.

JUST FOR THE RECORED EVERYBODY, KEVIN RANDLEMAN KNOCKED OUT CRO COP IN 2004 IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THEIR FIGHT.

RANDY COUTURE KNOCKED OUT KEVIN RANDLEMAN IN 2000 IN THE 3RD ROUND.

IN 2000 (WHEN RANDY FOUGHT HIM), RANDLEMAN WAS A FORCE IN MMA. IN 2004, RANDLEMAN WAS A SCRUB AND HE KNOCKED OUT CRO COP.

WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT YOUTAPPED….I DOUBT IT.

Lol, Rock – Paper – Scissors again.
So that means Couture can beat all the Pride GP guys?
Pride is TOTALLY differnt from the UFC. Randy dominates due to the cage, PERIOD. Its more offensive for his wrestling to press against the cage and get the take down… versus being in a roped ring.

Stop thinking that people arent as educated on topics, and that you know exactly what you are talking about. This is fighting, opinions are given and we go from there. But to sit here and ra-ra for your favorite fighter, it doesnt prove anything or add to the discussion.

Also, not trying to be a dick…, but this isnt the direct quote from the press conference.
But I am a true professional and ULTIMATE fighting is my life so I’m training harder than ever.
Yeah, Mirko said ULTIMATE fighting… kinda threw me off a second, was wondering if he had a language barrier issue, or he really loves the UFC due to the fact he makes more then a quarter mill a fight.

yes Randy didnt fight very many top guys in the beginning of his career..but who has

I guess the ufc should be so lucky as to have a packed house of 10,000 people to watch Randy fight Dos Caros Jr, or Takada, Minowa, Kanehara….
They both have fought good fighters, it doesnt even make sense to compare the two…As far as Mirko “wasting” a fight, Hes fighting one of the better stikers that he has fought in his MMA career, and he wont be able to win if he does what he did in the Gonzo fight..He needs something to revise him late in his career.

JUST FOR THE RECORED EVERYBODY, KEVIN RANDLEMAN KNOCKED OUT CRO COP IN 2004 IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THEIR FIGHT.
RANDY COUTURE KNOCKED OUT KEVIN RANDLEMAN IN 2000 IN THE 3RD ROUND.
IN 2000 (WHEN RANDY FOUGHT HIM), RANDLEMAN WAS A FORCE IN MMA. IN 2004, RANDLEMAN WAS A SCRUB AND HE KNOCKED OUT CRO COP.
WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT YOUTAPPED….I DOUBT IT.

Lol, Rock – Paper – Scissors again.
So that means Couture can beat all the Pride GP guys?

Why do people just like to draw conclusions. Where in my above post in CAPS does it say that because of this, Randy would beat Cro Cop. That is NOT what I said.

Randy isn’t even my favorite fighter. Of course both he and Cro Cop are great fighters. I think a bunch of comments were misinterpretted. As a matter of fact, if they were to fight, I think that Cro Cop would knock Randy out, unless Randy can pull off a decision victory by taking him down time after time.

that wasnt math at all. It DIDN’T say the typical scenario of fighter A beat B, and B beat C, so that means A has to beat C ….. I too really can’t stand when people think/talk like that.

This is so high school. You imply the obvious then you say: nah man, it wasn’t meant like that. Well, if it was not meant like that then the statement was just wasting our time, because it has no point other than suggesting the MMA math.

K-Fed > Cena > Edge > Foley > Rock > Shamrock > Bas > TK > Fedor

So clearly, Kevin Federline can beat Fedor Emelianenko. Use a MMA calculator to check the equation. Duh.

WOW, you are a dumb guy. Speaking of high school, you should really think about going back and getting your GED. Then when you have free time, start reading this page from the top, and then re think everything you said.

Keep watching wresting and buying Kevin Federline albums while you’re at it to. They are all as cool as you.

Thank you.

Once again, the time has come, the time when Mirko gets his wake up call and then does a mess of his opponents! He is just one of those guys that needs a kick in the pants to get him started, and when he gets started, no one likes to be in the same room, let alone in the same fighting arena!
One thing is for sure, the US fighting viewers (the ones that have never seen Mirko in his greater Pride fights) are still confused. They have, maybe, heard good things about Mirko but, they haven’t seen them. I can’t remember, but some one upu the line in all these quotes and arguments mentioned Mirko’s numbers of fights, wins,… !
If anyone has his doubts, check the numbers, the dates, the opponents, . . . and then tell me who is who in the fighting world!

that wasnt math at all. It DIDN’T say the typical scenario of fighter A beat B, and B beat C, so that means A has to beat C ….. I too really can’t stand when people think/talk like that.[/quote]

So you bitch about people ‘jumping to conclusions’ but yet you are jumping… to… the… conclusion, that I said Randy fought scrubs.
What does it MATTER?!

But yeah, you look at the quality of talent Mirko has fought, and the quality that RC has fought, advantage CC.
Mirko is still the #2 HW in the world in my opinion. One loss to a very big up and coming fighter doesnt take anything away from him. Mirko can walk into any ring, and knock out any other fighter in the world. No doubt about that.

King Ramzes

Ive been following Mirko for about a year now, Im maybe not the most educated on him, but I have seen many of his fights from pride. Including when he fought Colman, Bob Sapp, Fedor, Barnett, and Silva. There is no question that Mirko is a very accomplished fighter and deserves to be recognized as one of the best. I don’t think anybody here is denying that, the argument here started with this:

I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8.

I believe Steamboat said that, the argument I was trying to make is Randy, like CroCop deserves to be recognized as one of the greatest. The only arguments I seem to be hearing as a result is about comparing CroCop to Couture. All this shit about who Couture beat and who CC beat, and Randy wouldn’t be as good if it wasn’t for the cage, CroCop would destroy Randy, blah blah blah. ARRG, none of that matters, it was not the point I was trying to make.

agreed ragnarr

Holy shit. What did I start? For the record I got all the respect in the world for Randy. I thought Vitor was a freak of nature until he mowed him down. I guess my main beaf is that Randy made his hay while the UFC was spiraling downward and Cro Cop broke into the game in Pride when it was skyrocketing in heavy/light heavy talent. Perhaps I didn’t scrutinize Couture’s actual matches but I was going off these undeniable trends. I’m a huge CC fan and it just frustrates me that one of the best fighters ever is being reduced to a guy with multiple holes in his game because of one brutal KO, especially when Gonzagga is by and large an unknown quantity. If CC were as dominant as Hoyce on the ground you would have the perfect fighter. The nature of the game, especially if you get in there 30 plus times, is that you get caught. If Fedor gets caught in his second fight in the UFC is he all of a sudden marginal? No fuckin way, he just became human. For the TUFies/CC detractors, YouTube the CC-Nog fight—not only will you see two of the absolute best put on an all time performance, but Bas is comentating. Which by the way, how much better would the telecast be with Bas and Rogan. I know they’re both analysts but what the fuck. His IFL involvement thing complicates things but he is the frikin man. He should ringside for all the big fights.

Congo is a beast that is all i have to say..Nobody cares about all you peoples comparisons,. Congo Maniac For Life….

Congo is a beast that is all i have to say..Nobody cares about all you peoples comparisons,. Congo Maniac For Life….

Sacre Bleu!!!

F*CK HIM…3 more fights and he said he’s retiring…P*SSY…RC is 43 and still going…
I think Couture is a great fighter but he is 15-8. When the hell did he become the greatest fighter of all time? 15 and frikin 8. He also amassed some of these wins when the UFC was garbage. CC was fighting way more frequently against the best heavies in the world. For all you UFC fans, Pride was superior to UFC up until a eight or twelve months ago. No doubt that the UFC is CURRENTLY the best pormotion out there by far but CC was terrorizing Pride when it was the shit—fighting 5 or 6 times a year! Give the man his respect and understand that he was probably drained after winning the GP. Gonzaga’s a bad boy and woke him up. Randy couldn’t stand with Liddell, how’s he gonna with CC? And CC’s sprawl is as good/better than Liddell’s before anyone comes with that bs. Can’t wait to see him fight the avenge his losses against Nog/Fedor/Gonzaga.

Pride was supperior to UFC the same way the pride nuthuggers said CC would destroy the HW div. Ya the UFC was garbage before Monson beat Futita and Herring lost to an up and commer. Then Diaz beat Gomi,but it wasn’t until Werdum and CC came over and got their asses kicked that the UFC got better. Randy would take CC down and pound him out as easily as GG did. I can’t wait to see Vera beat CC .Pride has alot of talent, so if you want to pick someone who actually has a chance to beat Randy, GG or Vera you should pick Nog.

The AVERAGE UFC fan would have trouble pointing out Japan on a map let alone knowing that most of the title holders and top contenders in most Pride weight classes would dog their UFC counterparts. I’ll be the first to admit that the UFC wasn’t as bad as I thought it was but if CC or Nog or anyone wasn’t on TUF they’re wondering who the fuck that scrub is getting into the octagon. Maybe a bit pessimistic but aside from FSN’s coverage of Pride, you’de really have to seek it out.

 The average Pride fan just assumes that Pride fighters are better than UFC fighters. So far Pride has been getting dogged more than they have been dogging their UFC counterparts. The funniest thing is the pride fans say the UFC HW div is so weak ,but that is the div that the Pride guys can only win agaist cans like Sanchez and Imes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyk8yxatGJ4

What folks fail to realize is that PRIDE was recognized on a WORLD scale. UFC was up until recently only popular in the US. Compare the largest attendences between the two & that will help some of you understand the difference. I’m not picking sides but that is a main reason why people believe PRIDE to be superior.

I’ve been watching the UFC for a few years, most of the pride fights I

What folks fail to realize is that PRIDE was recognized on a WORLD scale. UFC was up until recently only popular in the US. Compare the largest attendences between the two & that will help some of you understand the difference. I’m not picking sides but that is a main reason why people believe PRIDE to be superior.

Dont matter anymore because bodog or strikeforce are never gonna make it big, with chuck vs wandy and shogun vs babalu most proberbly coming up we will see which company has the better 205lb fighters.

Pressed the wrong key, I’ll say again, most of the Pride fights I have seen have been on You Tube, but I would just call myself an MMA fan not Pride or UFC. I have my favourite fighters in both. Josh Barnett is one of my favourites, amazing all round fighter with excellent submissions. Cro Cop has beaten him three times once beating Wanderlei in the same night. I don’t think anyone should be calling him overrated. If Randy fights him like fought Silvia, he will lose. Cro Cop is to fast and accurate and Randy was pretty fatigued by the end of the second round against Sylvia and that fight was going at a pretty slow pace. I think this will be the deciding facter in the Gonzaga fight, not Randys experience, but his cardio. I also do not think a Cro Cop / Arlovski fight would be any better than a Cro Cop / Kongo fight. As far as I’m concerned Arlovski is not the same fighter since he lost twice to Sylvia. Kongo is a beast, who could knock out Cro Cop at anytime even though Cro Cop is technically the better fighter. I think it will be a good fight, not as easy as people are making it out to be.

Hot news: Mirko is bringing in Sergei Kharitonov and Ricco Rodriguez. I find that a bit of an overkill for Kongo, as we can’t expect any groundgame from him if you’re a realist, but this brings Mirko one step further to a more well-rounded game.