TUF 5 Finale: Submissions key to Diaz-Gamburyan fight?
With all the hype around the rematch between B.J. Penn and Jens Pulver this Saturday at The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 5 Finale, there hasn't been much focus on the other featured lightweight showdown of the evening between finalists Nate Diaz and Manny Gamburyan.
Perhaps it's because no one expected much of Gamburyan, including his boss, UFC President Dana White. In fact, White offered a public apology to Gamburyan during the last episode of the reality series for underestimating the Armenian Judo specialist.
Even still, it appears that most fans, including 66 percent of UFCmania readers, believe Diaz will be crowned the first 155-pound TUF champ at The Palms Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, on June 23.
Naturally, Gamburyan disagrees, according to SportsIllustrated.com.
Here's a snip:
"If it stays standing, I'll stand with him and try to knock him out. If it goes to the ground, I'm going to go for submissions."
Diaz, not surprisingly, doesn't see it quite like that.
Here's a snip:
"I don't think he has better submissions than me. When I trained with him, I did better than him, and I did better with the other guys. I saw other guys tapping him out and those guys weren't tapping me out."
Unlike Penn-Pulver, this fight doesn't have much of a backstory. Unless, of course, Nick Diaz (Nate's brother) and Karo Parisyan (Manny's cousin) decide to go to blows outside the Octagon.
Nonetheless, it should be a competitive fight ... an outcome for which may surprise a few people.
(Check out more coverage on Diaz vs. Gamburyan here and here).
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I think what Manny meant to say was “My game plan is to get him on the ground, lie on him like a big wet blanket and stay busy enough to eek out a decision.”
He beat Lauzon much in the same way. He’s fast, strong and has good judo. I saw some nice leg kicks, too. But I don’t think that Manny finishes, he bides his time to get the decision.
I hope that if they aren’t busy on the ground than they’ll get stood up. Although, from what Diaz has shown, he’ll be busy trying every submission that there is. Perhaps including the “Long Legged Purple Nurpler” or the “Tripple Decker Pecker Wrecker”. I’m still waiting to see that one.
by Freddy on Jun 19, 2007 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that this is going to be an explosive ground game, but Nate is much better on the ground than Manny, Manny will be active on the ground, manybe a little too active, I think Nate catche him with a rear naked choke in round 2.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 19, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate Diaz has shown me nothing during the season to say that his standup is better than Manny’s. I know he has good standup becuase I saw him vs hermes franca. But if he continues to standup like he has been I think Manny will KO him. Manny has some heavy hands, and we have seen that Nate is a bleeder.
by can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10x10... on Jun 19, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This fight will be great. I see Diaz coming out victorious. He does offer more overall than Manny. Diaz should keep the distance with the jab and once he tires take it to the ground and submit his ass. He’s right! he does have better submissions. Manny is a descent fighter but he’s mostly a banger. Puncher’s chance most of the time with him. You almost don’t want to be to technical with him because thats when he will catch you. They both come from fighting families and I looked forward to seeing them both in the UFC throughout the years. Bring Nick back!!!1
by Stafo on Jun 19, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I too will have to go with Diaz in this fight. I am not sure that it will be by submission though. I am leaning more towards a unanimous decision for Nate Diaz.
by JaCoB on Jun 19, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i personally think Manny has been underestimated time and time again. he kicked ass on TUF5 and i think he is going to do a great job against Diaz. he is such a little powerhouse, and he’s full of surprises! you UFC fans should know by now not to count someone out just cuz they are the underdog… don’t YOU wish you had bet on Jackson?? i know i wish i would have!
by Candace Wilson on Jun 19, 2007 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Nick and Karo are in the corners of their respective family member and exchange some not-so-kind words with one another.
I think it will add to the marketing of this fight, seeing as Nick and Karo aren’t too fond of one another.
The TUF 5 Finale is going to be pretty good but it’ll be awesome if Leonard Garcia’s fight makes the broadcast.
by JP Jr on Jun 19, 2007 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess so far I am the lone soldier in selecting Manny to be victorious. I believe he has the mental determination to beat Diaz. In all great fighters there is a level of toughness that they all possess, and Manny has it.
by fightfan51 on Jun 19, 2007 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Read the write-up on UFC.com by Rudy Valentino about the Lauzon/Manny fight. Joe had bone damage in his hand and elbow before the fight. Manny is over-rated and if Diaz brings his striking skills with him he will dominate. I think Manny’s limbs are so short that it makes submissions more difficult. He also has no neck so chokes are easier to slip also. He can however easily be beaten with a good stiff jab, Muay tai clinch knee-lifts, flying knees and pretty much any good striker will defeat him. Diaz should destoy him with this type of attack
by MrFye on Jun 19, 2007 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am going for the upset.Manny will bring a solid chin and try to keep the fight up.Karo & Nick may have some words for a possible rematch,which the ufc would love.
by oledenny on Jun 19, 2007 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what everyone is smoking here. But I would like to have some.
Ok put it this way if manny would have lost, who would everyone be going for Joe or Nate…
Joe obviously. So that only leaves one real ending.
Manny the victor.
I think Joe and Nate are basically copies of each other body wise and Joe has got better all-round talent.
OH JOe had a sore hand… Well I guess he shoulda back peddled more and let the legs fly.
I will give nate the benifit of the doubt and say a third round submission is not out of the question but it aint gonna happen. Hopefully…
No neck means your easier to choke, dont know about that one. It kinda sounds crazy a guy with a strong neck vs a pencil neck each getting choked… It will all come down to technique.
Manny needs to play this fight safe after the first round.
Shoot Nate almost lost to Cory… Someone with zero experience and not really knowing his “GAME PLAN”
I think if Cory can give Nate a problem standing than Look out for manny getting inside and pounding.
I think the odds are 65% Manny & 35% Nate of either one pulling out a victory.
Manny has yet to look like he has not been in control of the 3 previous fights. And really had the harder fights of anyone.
by robin on Jun 19, 2007 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
manny by blanket just like he did with lauzon…thats how im callin it
by smiley on Jun 19, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Robin, what are you injecting? Joe had a broken hand and chipped elbow before the Manny fight. He had little time to heal because of the structure of that show. He had to fight in that condition. Despite that he went the distance and nearly submitted Manny.
by MrFye on Jun 19, 2007 8:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im just looking forward to seeing nick he is one funny ass fighter i think the ufc misses him he was such an entertianing fighter i love what he did to robbie lawler i was coating him the whole time does anybody know the story about him having a fight with someone at the emergancy room after a fight and why him and jeremy jackson hate each other so much jeremy jacksons ex called there kid nate to annoying him i just wanted to know why
by john on Jun 19, 2007 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
also why isnt corey fighting i thought he done realy well on uf and defently deserves a fight more than monsta
by john on Jun 19, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think nate is better on the ground but manny has better takedown and takedown defence.nate also has a big reach advantage but manny has heavy hands.cory probly isnt fighting cause they already know how good he can be and there saving him for a fight night or sumtin
by owen on Jun 19, 2007 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess so far I am the lone soldier in selecting Manny to be victorious. I believe he has the mental determination to beat Diaz. In all great fighters there is a level of toughness that they all possess, and Manny has it.
Dana White said he was wrong about Rashad Evans and Manny so I’m going with Manny to pull the upset.
by Mamas Boy on Jun 19, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im just looking forward to seeing nick he is one funny ass fighter i think the ufc misses him he was such an entertianing fighter i love what he did to robbie lawler i was coating him the whole time does anybody know the story about him having a fight with someone at the emergancy room after a fight and why him and jeremy jackson hate each other so much jeremy jacksons ex called there kid nate to annoying him i just wanted to know why
That key with the little dot is called the period. period. period.
by Mamas Boy on Jun 19, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On Pimp My Ride they swipe the dude’s vehicle and pimp it out. Hopefully someone has swiped Corey Hill and we’ll see a new pimped out Corey later this year.
by Mamas Boy on Jun 19, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, they are both very sloppy fighters… Manny moreso then Nate. Nate has submissions but Manny has the strength… Im really not expecting much from this fight…
by Luppers on Jun 19, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really could care less who wins this one, pretty unusual for me not to care who wins I’m almost always rooting for someone but not this time.
by nathan on Jun 19, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what everyone is smoking here. But I would like to have some.
Ok put it this way if manny would have lost, who would everyone be going for Joe or Nate…
Joe obviously. So that only leaves one real ending.
Manny the victor.
WOW, this eqution pretty much can predict the outcome of any fight. it all makes sense now. if you beat the favorite you can therefore beat anyone else.(sarcasm)
by RoB on Jun 19, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
manny throws really hard but wild punches when standing and i think diaz will be able to punch through that with a lot of jabs and straights…WHEN the fight goes to the ground i’m pretty sure manny will be on top for most of it, even if diaz is the one that gets the takedown i think manny is so strong he’ll be able to find his way to the top position…its hard to outwork manny, he’s a pitbull that never stops pushing and throwing wild crazy shots so i think in order for diaz to win he’s gonna have to win by submission…i don’t think diaz will be able to choke manny out, the dude has no neck, and its gonna be hard for diaz to secure an arm because manny is so much stronger, so i’m not thinking this is a good match up for nate on the ground even though nate is definitely the better ground fighter, much like joe lauzon…i really hate to do it just because i like the way nate fights, but i’m gonna have to pick manny via unanimous decision…
by tha spida on Jun 19, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate has about the ugliest stand up of all time. He is like 6 foot tall and in the 155lb division so his reach is superior to most peoples. He then keeps his hands way out in front to form like a semi circle with his arms. His hands then slightly pump and is really more of a distraction then anything else much less a ‘threat’. He uses it to keep you at the end of his arms and if you try to break the circle he goes for the takedown. Manny is at an extreme disadvantage with his reach, needing to get inside to do any kind of real damage with his hands and once one of them Diaz brothers get their hands on you and take you to the ground, you really are in danger of being submitted at any second.
by Tommy on Jun 19, 2007 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate has about the ugliest stand up of all time. He is like 6 foot tall and in the 155lb division so his reach is superior to most peoples. He then keeps his hands way out in front to form like a semi circle with his arms. His hands then slightly pump and is really more of a distraction then anything else much less a ‘threat’. He uses it to keep you at the end of his arms and if you try to break the circle he goes for the takedown. Manny is at an extreme disadvantage with his reach, needing to get inside to do any kind of real damage with his hands and once one of them Diaz brothers get their hands on you and take you to the ground, you really are in danger of being submitted at any second.
I think Corey Hill in his first fight ever in the Octagon was by far the worst sand-up… ever. But you are right, he is nowhere near his brother and his talent, but the kid is still young. Go back and watch the show last week when Manny was entering the octagon after Nate won, Manny looked like a Hobbit from one of those Lord of The Rings movies. Pretty sad. Diaz wins either decision or Submission.
I predicted Manny vs. Joe in the finale, so I was wrong with the Joe pick but most of us were, but I just see Manny getting well manhandled by Nate.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 19, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what I am hearing here is Manny is the underdog. I must be watching some other show. Manny has fought harder people.
Manny has beat those people. My math may turn out to be wrong but I would venture to say Manny is far from a dark horse to win now.
I wouldnt be surprised for it to go either way but come on, it isnt like manny got a Lucky punch in on Joe and won that way. The guy worked and played a very smart game. As long as he is super cautious on the ground and looks out for rear and triangle chokes, He is golden.
Strength (Manny)
Reach (Nate)
Heart (Manny)
Endurance (Manny)
Submissions (Nate)
Durability (Undecided, Maybe Nate because of hills fight)
Throws/Takedowns (Manny)
Agility (Manny but not by much)
Agressivness (Manny)
Game Plan (Manny) (Nate will pull guard as much as possible and Manny will let him so he can grind away on the inside)
Coaching (Manny providing Karo is in his corner)
Cut/Bleeding (Someone noted above Nate was a bleeder)
Punchers chance (Manny)
Am I missing anything…
by Robin on Jun 19, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand why Karo is bitter about getting injured and losing his title shot way back but he is starting to get on my nerves like Hughes. I don’t mind if your a good fighter and your cocky about it, but being a constant dick is another thing. I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that if I was just purely hanging out socially, Matt hughes seems like he would be a more likeable guy. Karo is just an asshole it seems. Seems like he would even shoot pool like an asshole. I predict manny winning.
by Mattchupichu on Jun 20, 2007 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny mentions a possible fight between Karo and Jon Fitch in one of the articles… I dunno if this has been mentioned yet, that should be a good one
by Gondolli on Jun 20, 2007 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I sure wish Lauzon was in tip-top for that last fight. Was it that one elbow that missed and hit the canvas that chipped? I was trying to watch the Joe V manny fight and sing happy Bday to my mom at the same time.
by Mattchupichu on Jun 20, 2007 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think what Manny meant to say was “My game plan is to get him on the ground, lie on him like a big wet blanket and stay busy enough to eek out a decision.”
He beat Lauzon much in the same way. He’s fast, strong and has good judo. I saw some nice leg kicks, too. But I don’t think that Manny finishes, he bides his time to get the decision.
I hope that if they aren’t busy on the ground than they’ll get stood up. Although, from what Diaz has shown, he’ll be busy trying every submission that there is. Perhaps including the “Long Legged Purple Nurpler” or the “Tripple Decker Pecker Wrecker”. I’m still waiting to see that one.
THankfully MAnny’s Lay and pray mentality with get him submitted with Diaz.
by The Monkey on Jun 20, 2007 6:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I sure wish Lauzon was in tip-top for that last fight. Was it that one elbow that missed and hit the canvas that chipped? I was trying to watch the Joe V manny fight and sing happy Bday to my mom at the same time.
Yeah, it had to be that vicious elbow smash to the mat in the first fight. You could see the big bruise immediately at the end of the match. Remember when Diaz trained at Penn’s camp? Joe was nervous about them seeing his injuries. Manny got lucky!
by MrFye on Jun 20, 2007 7:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gamburyan blankets people, i cant stand him, i hope Diaz fucks him up
by thenovemberact on Jun 20, 2007 8:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what I am hearing here is Manny is the underdog. I must be watching some other show. Manny has fought harder people.
Manny has beat those people. My math may turn out to be wrong but I would venture to say Manny is far from a dark horse to win now.
I wouldnt be surprised for it to go either way but come on, it isnt like manny got a Lucky punch in on Joe and won that way. The guy worked and played a very smart game. As long as he is super cautious on the ground and looks out for rear and triangle chokes, He is golden.
Strength (Manny)
Reach (Nate)
Heart (Manny)
Endurance (Manny)
Submissions (Nate)
Durability (Undecided, Maybe Nate because of hills fight)
Throws/Takedowns (Manny)
Agility (Manny but not by much)
Agressivness (Manny)
Game Plan (Manny) (Nate will pull guard as much as possible and Manny will let him so he can grind away on the inside)
Coaching (Manny providing Karo is in his corner)
Cut/Bleeding (Someone noted above Nate was a bleeder)
Punchers chance (Manny)
Am I missing anything…
Yeah, Manny has no skill, he is just strong, He geeks out decisions, trust me win or lose, he dosnt have a long future in the Ufc, any sprawl and brawler will take him out, we dont need any more matt Hamills in the UFC
by thenovemberact on Jun 20, 2007 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Diaz’s stand-up has looked a bit sloppy in the TUF fights. Hopefully it improves. I’d like to see him have KO power like nick.
by Fidel Cashflow on Jun 20, 2007 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Manny will win this one. He has a lot of heart and I expect with the crowd and his family in attendance (it’s obvious that he puts a lot of emphasis on family) I expect he’ll put it all on the line.
I don’t thing Manny will be easy to be submitted either, I sort of laugh at these choke predictions, does Manny even have a neck to be choked?
At any rate I think it will be a great fight and I like both fighters, all I want to see is a war, I’ll be excited to see them both battle.
by pr0cs on Jun 20, 2007 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am really hoping that it turns out to be a good fight. Even if Manny tries to blanket Nate, Nate will be working like a maniac to pull off a submission. I think it will be Nate by submission.
by ViolentMike on Jun 20, 2007 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im pulling for manny, hes so aggressive and hes is a good wrestler, he is very strong and he does have heavy hands…….but on the other hand diaz can submitt anyone.
by ZACH on Jun 20, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny is not that good I think Nate will beat him easily. Manny really hasnt shown anthing.
by Jorgito on Jun 20, 2007 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
manny is really shit all he does is just lie on his opponents and wins the round because they cant get him off .. i hate fughters like that and i fink joe should of won but thats life so because of mannys shit fights i hope nate wins
by ufc addict on Jun 20, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish UFC would give Nick Diaz another fight once his suspension (got busted for having weed in his system after totally destroying Gomi) is up. His figths are the best to watch, he really gets in there does his thing. The Nick vs Karo fight is probably one of the best ground fights I’ve ever seen, the way they work each other and switch is simply amazing.
I’m hoping nate gets manny if he tries his world renowned “lay n pray” technique
by j1had on Jun 20, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nathan has got a great ground game. He’s a tough dude that can take a lickin like Jenna Jameson, as in the fight against Grey. I hope Manny wins. Just because he’s short doesn’t make a difference. I think he’ll out work Nate and win in a close decision.
by GriffinFan05 on Jun 21, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Manny’s style is straight up lay and pray. I don’t see him winning against Diaz, even if he does, he’ll never have a solid fan base with his incredibly boring decision wins
by Will on Jun 21, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would hate to see Manny win because his fights sucked. He knows how to lay on them and bore the hell out of you. 00.0 on the excitement, would not pay to see him fight, ever.
by cdjbm on Jun 22, 2007 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manny is going to win by KO or decision! People complain about Manny being too small for a stand up game. However, he is able to see his window of opportunity for a solid strike and when he does strike he is relentless regardless if his opponent has a greater reach advantage. Considering Manny’s Judo experience and Nate’s preference to fight on the ground from his back, it will be an easy take down for Manny. I personally would like to see Manny finish with a submission, especially with a leg lock or heel hook (he knows a lot of great leg submissions from his Sambo background.) He chooses to play the ground and pound game like Karo. I also find it not very exciting. Manny is skilled as submission and often does the ground and pound to set up a submission or simply to wear the guy out. Even though Nate is very skilled at submissions and very determined, Manny’s ability to escape from submission attempts is a little too good for Nate. I think with a few more years of training Nate will be a very tough opponent. It should be a good fight regarless but there’s no question in my mind Manny will win. I believe a lot of people are making their decision on who will when the fight based on emotion and personal biases. A lot of peoples’ opinions are influenced by the excitement of a fight and having lived vicariously through the the TV during these past few months. If people set aside these factors and look at the fighters true ability, they would see that Manny is simply a more well-rounded fighter.
by Adam on Jun 22, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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