I completly agree, I see Pulver as one of the most overrated fighters in the game, I want to see the fight just because we havn’t got to see Penn punch anyone in the face for like 8 months

Penn, all the way. He has got mad skills. I am still trying to figure out if Jens has skills other than running his mouth.

I completly agree, I see Pulver as one of the most overrated fighters in the game, I want to see the fight just because we havn’t got to see Penn punch anyone in the face for like 8 months

Pulver is not overrated, Pulver is a heck of a fighter, he practically is the lightweight version of Chuck Liddell, he has good stand-up game (he used to be a former boxer) but his ground game is horrible.

BJ will stand and bang for the first round just to hurt Pulver. Then second round, he will take him out.

I don’t think BJ will dominate. I think the fight will be close. Jens is no slouch, even if his resume lacks impressiveness. He trains with some of the best guys in world, and even if BJ’s BJJ is great, Jens will be ready.

Look at video of BJ from early in his career. Physically he looks nothing like he used to. I attribute that to poor conditioning and diet. I think his conditioning will play a factor, much like it did against Matt Hughes. People forget, but he dominated the first few rounds of that matchup and gassed later.

I think his conditioning will play a factor, much like it did against Matt Hughes. People forget, but he dominated the first few rounds of that matchup and gassed later.

I don’t think anyone forgets that, actually. Every B.J. Penn post leads to someone saying he has poor conditioning.

What’s BJ’s record in his last four, anyone know? I wanna see Aoki v Penn so bad.

but he also has sick snap on his punches and I dont think Jens will be able to deal with it

I don’t think BJ will dominate. I think the fight will be close. Jens is no slouch, even if his resume lacks impressiveness. He trains with some of the best guys in world, and even if BJ’s BJJ is great, Jens will be ready.

Look at video of BJ from early in his career. Physically he looks nothing like he used to. I attribute that to poor conditioning and diet. I think his conditioning will play a factor, much like it did against Matt Hughes. People forget, but he dominated the first few rounds of that matchup and gassed later.

I agree that Penn’s conditioning will be critical, but Jens has no where near the tools BJ has. Plus you have to remember that fight with BJ and Hughes. Pulver is no where near Hughes and Penn gave him run for the money. The only way I think he will be beatin is by the toll of dropping weight.

What’s BJ’s record in his last four, anyone know? I wanna see Aoki v Penn so bad.

This is what Wikipedia shows Not all UFC fights.
Loss Matt Hughes TKO (Strikes) UFC 63: Hughes vs. Penn 9/23/2006 3 3:53 For UFC Welterweight Championship

Loss Georges St. Pierre Decision (Split) UFC 58: USA vs. Canada 3/4/2006 3 5:00

Win Renzo Gracie Decision (Unanimous) K-1 World Grand Prix Hawaii 7/29/2005 3 5:00

Loss Lyoto Machida Decision (Unanimous) K-1 Hero’s 1 3/26/2005 3 5:00 At 205 lbs

BJ has been known to get a little lazy at times. It will be an interesting match up. Regardless, Pulver at least has a punchers chance.

This is what Wikipedia shows Not all UFC fights.
Loss Matt Hughes TKO (Strikes) UFC 63: Hughes vs. Penn 9/23/2006 3 3:53 For UFC Welterweight Championship

Loss Georges St. Pierre Decision (Split) UFC 58: USA vs. Canada 3/4/2006 3 5:00

Win Renzo Gracie Decision (Unanimous) K-1 World Grand Prix Hawaii 7/29/2005 3 5:00

Loss Lyoto Machida Decision (Unanimous) K-1 Hero’s 1 3/26/2005 3 5:00 At 205 lbs

thats one solid win surrounded by 3 losses with nothing to be ashamed about…

Three decisions (one @205!!) and a loss due to stoppage in a fight that he had won the first round. Hughes=world class, GSP=world class, Gracie=great fighter, has the name; Lyoto Machida is the dark horse here, but he hasn’t lost a fight in four years and is way out of BJ’s weight class. Overall, I have to believe that BJ should destroy Pulver.

I have no preference to see one guy or the other win, I just think that BJ looks to be the more rounded and impressive fighter. And by rounded, I’m not talking about his belly.

Actually, I dont’ think that Penn or Pulver looked to good on TUF

i don’t think conditioning will be much of a factor here, i think the fight will be over in the 1st or 2nd round, and even if it does go the distance, bj is going to win the first two rounds and the thrid won’t mean much, bj is just a bigger, better fighter…

i don’t think conditioning will be much of a factor here, i think the fight will be over in the 1st or 2nd round, and even if it does go the distance, bj is going to win the first two rounds and the thrid won’t mean much, bj is just a bigger, better fighter…

I have to agree, unless something crazy happens like a knock out punch. Which we have seen several times in the past year.

Funny how this sounds a lot like the first matchup where everybody is already counting Jens out and he was the champ. Now everyone is counting him out and he won the first fight.

Everyone hanging from BJ’s nuts but it doesn’t really matter how great BJ’s skills are if BJ doesn’t catch Jens early. BJ relies too much on his talent to pull him through and not enough on training, conditioning and intensity. Things have changed a whole lot since BJ was “the phenom”. You can’t just walk in to a fight and expect to be able to slap on a submission at will. Everyone trains BJJ and everything else possible hard now and everyone who wants to get anywhere especially trains conditioning to be in the best shape possible.

Its a shame BJ doesn’t have Jens intensity and discpline or he’d actually be near unstoppable instead of a fighter who looks really really good in spots but never quite lives up to his potential and fades away in a tough fight.

BJ has been known to get a little lazy at times. It will be an interesting match up. Regardless, Pulver at least has a punchers chance.

I agree that Jens has a chance of winning and he could very likely surprise everyone. It still is a punchers chance in my opinion.

BJ has been known to get a little lazy at times. It will be an interesting match up. Regardless, Pulver at least has a punchers chance.

Well they have the best ganja down there in Hawaii, so what do you expect? Ofcourse he’ll be a little lazy from time to time, but he has natural skills

BJ made it to a split decision with GSP!
That’s a pretty conditioned athlete there, and this was at 170. He had Hughes in a reverse triangle choke for the better part of a minute at the end of round 2 and clearly didnt have legs after. I think he is better conditioned than he looks, kinda like Karo. I really think he will press the pace and get on Pulver and win this by the second round.

How about this if BJ can win:

BJ VS Urijha Faber. Faber fights alot like Pulver used to!

i would pay to watch that for damn sure

What’s BJ’s record in his last four, anyone know? I wanna see Aoki v Penn so bad.

BJ beat Hughes, walked away, came back, almost beat GSP… then he almost beat Hughes. So he is winless since his return.
And he lost in ping pong.

Funny how this sounds a lot like the first matchup where everybody is already counting Jens out and he was the champ. Now everyone is counting him out and he won the first fight.

Everyone hanging from BJ’s nuts but it doesn’t really matter how great BJ’s skills are if BJ doesn’t catch Jens early. BJ relies too much on his talent to pull him through and not enough on training, conditioning and intensity. Things have changed a whole lot since BJ was “the Prodigy”. You can’t just walk in to a fight and expect to be able to slap on a submission at will. Everyone trains BJJ and everything else possible hard now and everyone who wants to get anywhere especially trains conditioning to be in the best shape possible.

Its a shame BJ doesn’t have Jens intensity and discpline or he’d actually be near unstoppable instead of a fighter who looks really really good in spots but never quite lives up to his potential and fades away in a tough fight.

Agreed. Good post.

I started out liking Lauzon but I’m neutral now. Dude is way too new to be talking. He didn’t even win TUF when he was the overwhelming favorite. Win some more fights against quality competition and then you can start talking trash about former lightweight champions.

I started out liking Lauzon but I’m neutral now. Dude is way too new to be talking. He didn’t even win TUF when he was the overwhelming favorite. Win some more fights against quality competition and then you can start talking trash about former lightweight champions.

I believe that he knocked out the former lightweight champion. If that is not grounds to talk than what is?

Didn’t BJ break a rib late in the second round of the Hughes fight? I thought that’s why he “gassed”. He was kicking Hughes’ ass for two rounds and I still think he would win a rematch. His standup is better and his BJJ neutralizes Hughes wrestling skills.

I started out liking Lauzon but I’m neutral now. Dude is way too new to be talking. He didn’t even win TUF when he was the overwhelming favorite. Win some more fights against quality competition and then you can start talking trash about former lightweight champions.

No I think if you knock out the “former lightweight champion” then you have the right to have your opinions heard. I mean you give your opinions and talk trash about who you want and you havn’t beat anyone now have you?

but apparently its up to Mamas boy when people are allowed to start talking trash

I believe that he knocked out the former lightweight champion. If that is not grounds to talk than what is?

Totally, Joe has earned his say in my opinion. Even though his last TUF fight was disappointing, he has potential to go far.

BJ has the talent, Pulver has the tenacity. Im going with Pulver, I think he wants it more.

should be a good fight. I hope BJ weight will not be an issue come fight night.If BJ can not end it early I think he will be in for a long night.The fight is for 3 rds. and should be a big payday for the winner in the near future.

The funny thing is, Joe was not really talking “trash.” I think he is being a realist. He does not seem like the type to go and talk a bunch of trash.

jens is all talking about his stand up and how hes going to dominate penn with it but honestly now i think bj has 5x better stand up

I agree with that too Jacob

Didn’t BJ break a rib late in the second round of the Hughes fight? I thought that’s why he “gassed”. He was kicking Hughes’ ass for two rounds and I still think he would win a rematch. His standup is better and his BJJ neutralizes Hughes wrestling skills.

I can’t back it up with a link, but I remember reading that not long after the fight. Also, he took that fight on short notice and weighed in at 166.

I’d agree with the talent vs drive comments. I dont’ think I’ve ever seen BJ come to a fight ripped and ready and insane with enthusiasm. I think he knows he’s awesome and relies on his talent.

i don’t think conditioning will be much of a factor here, i think the fight will be over in the 1st or 2nd round, and even if it does go the distance, bj is going to win the first two rounds and the thrid won’t mean much, bj is just a bigger, better fighter…

 Agree Spida….Penn is just a higher caliber fighter. Although he suffered the loss to Pulver early in his career. It’s a whole new BJ. This fight will not be another Liddell/Rampage situation. Pulver does not have Penn’s number. The first fight was close and Pulver has not become a better fighter where BJ has become a superb well rounded fighter. I will admit I put $50 down on Pulver because these odds are so one sided. If he pulls the win he will put a nice drinking night in my pocket….LOL

but apparently its up to Mamas boy when people are allowed to start talking trash

BloodyPeriod don’t be angry with me… I’m sorry I hurt your feelings.

Read my caps mommies boy

I started out liking Lauzon but I’m neutral now. Dude is way too new to be talking. He didn’t even win TUF when he was the overwhelming favorite. Win some more fights against quality competition and then you can start talking trash about former lightweight champions.

Ligten up Mamasboy! Joe isn’t trash talking. He is giving an informed opinion. Go on record with your pick. I can’t wait for this fight. I think Pulver needs this win more than BJ. He really needs to reestablish himself. I don’t think it will be enough to beat BJ. MY PICK IS BJ.

Totally, Joe has earned his say in my opinion. Even though his last TUF fight was disappointing, he has potential to go far.

BJ beat Hughes, walked away, came back, almost beat GSP… then he almost beat Hughes. So he is winless since his return.
And he lost in ping pong.

Dam he was in to that dam ping pong game. I would be too if ten gran is up for graps.

All I want to know is when Wayne Weems is going to fight again. Why isn’t he on this card?

Lauzon comment aside- which, I admit I wrongly interpreted at first glance- I still think there should be a certain level of respect given from the junior fighters to the established guys. BJ Penn and Jens Pulver can trash each other freely because they are “made” guys. They’ve proven themselves. A new guy shouldn’t be talking sh1t about any established fighter UNLESS they have an upcoming fight with said fighter.

Lauzon comment aside- which, I admit I wrongly interpreted at first glance- I still think there should be a certain level of respect given from the junior fighters to the established guys. BJ Penn and Jens Pulver can trash each other freely because they are “made” guys. They’ve proven themselves. A new guy shouldn’t be talking sh1t about any established fighter UNLESS they have an upcoming fight with said fighter.

But he is not talking trash so it does not matter.

Read my caps mommies boy

HA! Clever.

All I want to know is when Wayne Weems is going to fight again. Why isn’t he on this card?

Scheduling conflict- Weems and Rutiger are on the King of the Crepe ticket.

I can’t back it up with a link, but I remember reading that not long after the fight. Also, he took that fight on short notice and weighed in at 166.

I’d agree with the talent vs drive comments. I dont’ think I’ve ever seen BJ come to a fight ripped and ready and insane with enthusiasm. I think he knows he’s awesome and relies on his talent.

I dont whos gonna win, but if it is Pulver i really hope they stop giving BJ big fights. I dont care how good people say he is or who he lost to, the guy seriously needs a win.

Give us your pick Mamas Boy. BJ or Jens?

I don’t think anyone forgets that, actually. Every B.J. Penn post leads to someone saying he has poor conditioning.

I’ve got a feeling Pulver will Win. For all the talent that B.J has I just don’t think he has it in him to win. I’ll even go so far as to predict a frist round TKO. I know most of you won’t agree but thats the beauty of MMa,we’ll see what goes down saturday.

Didn’t BJ break a rib late in the second round of the Hughes fight? I thought that’s why he “gassed”. He was kicking Hughes’ ass for two rounds and I still think he would win a rematch. His standup is better and his BJJ neutralizes Hughes wrestling skills.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Did everyone forget that? BJ dominated Hughes for not just one, but 2 rounds, split his rib at the end of the second, and the third was handicapped, that was the first time Hughes did ANYTHING. BJ did, and can handle Hughes like an amatuer. He did not gas whatsoever. HE ONLY GASSED IN ONE FREAKIN FIGHT!!!!! WHATS THE ISSUE WITH HIS CONDITIONING!!!! He will smash Pulver, he can smash hughes, lets skip all the BS, give him a rematch with GSP.

Well they have the best ganja down there in Hawaii, so what do you expect? Ofcourse he’ll be a little lazy from time to time, but he has natural skills

Exactly, and B.J. already lost to Pulver when Penn was in his prime.

B.J. has skills but no lungs, if B.J. doesn’t finish it in the first round, then look for a Pulver win.

Jens will KO his ass in the later rounds.

B.J. Penn = No cardio.

Guida has cardio out the yin yang, thats why he is as good as he is.

Cardio/lungs/dog-strength/endless motor/ whatever you want to call it, is extremely under-rated

After Jens wins that will be 3 loses in a row for Penn. His next opponent will be Ross Pointon.

Keep in mind that if Jens loses it sets up the PPV rubber match for bigger money. This is your standard UFC script. Jens may in fact have more incentive to lose. I’m still waiting for your pick Mamas Boy.

I started out liking Lauzon but I’m neutral now. Dude is way too new to be talking. He didn’t even win TUF when he was the overwhelming favorite. Win some more fights against quality competition and then you can start talking trash about former lightweight champions.

I thought Nate Diaz was the overwhelming favorite from the posts I read here all during the show. Joe started getting more support after winning his first two fights. Most people thought his win over Jens was a fluke. I think his loss to Manny was the real fluke.

Do you guys forget how BJ handled Hughes? Like an amatuer? Withought showing anysigns of gassing for two rounds? Do you guys think Pulver is anywhere near this level? Ya’ll must be new to this. BJ will toy with Pulver. It will not be hard for him. Open your eyes already.

Shoot, I deleted all the cookies and stuff on my computer, and it erased all the saved passwords and all that. So when I re-input my name again I accidently put Anamoly above. Whoops.

B.J. did break a rib in that fight. It was right before he tired to submit Hughes. I’m pretty sure it was a elbow to the rib cage. Penn knew he was in trouble when it happened, thats why he put everything he had into that triangle. I don’t think his conditioning had anything to do with that fight. He just got caught in the ribs and couldn’t breath. IMO if that 2 round was 15 seconds longer Penn would have put Hughes to sleep. I see honestly see Penn having the LW belt in the next year.

Ok let me clear this up for you. Nothing Hughes did got to Penn, he did it to himself in the twisting motion while taking Hughes’s back from the bottom when Hughes overthrew the elbow, your right, his conditioning was fine for this fight, everything before this was going flawlessly for Penn. Oh and Penn is almost sure he will not be staying at LW. In the show ehre also he said “Pulver is the only reason I came back to LW” He is going back to WW.

Exactly, and B.J. already lost to Pulver when Penn was in his prime.

B.J. has skills but no lungs, if B.J. doesn’t finish it in the first round, then look for a Pulver win.

Jens will KO his ass in the later rounds.

B.J. Penn = No cardio.

Oh boy. Don’t know where to start. BJ only ever gassed in one fight, the GSP fight. Don’t beleive all this hype crap, go watch his fights for yourself. BJ is better now than he has ever been. There is no way Pulver can hurt him. If Pulver wins in my mind it will be the biggest upset in UFC history. Bigger than Serra to GSP, bigger than Randy to Sylvia, and bigger than GG vs. CC.

Though I hate to say this, put your money on BJ Shamrock. Jens is gonna be lucky if he comes into this fight weighing 155. He’s 155 NOW, and since most fighters do higher levels of cardio the week of the fight to O2 saturate the body, they lend to lose a few lbs there. BJ will prune up to 155, but probably fight at 165. He’s gonna have a 15 lb advanatage.
Then again, BJ said HE WANTS TO STAND WITH HIM, so who knows.

BJ in the 2nd via a really sick sub. I think he has in his mind he wants to make him tap.

Did anyone see BJ in the “Bad blood” show last night training? His fitness has gotten way better since he was on the show, looks like he is actually taking this seriously. I look forward to seeing the young BJ that just beats the hell out of people.

Well they have the best ganja down there in Hawaii, so what do you expect? Ofcourse he’ll be a little lazy from time to time, but he has natural skills

Is BJ Penn known to be a pot head? or was this just a comment. Becuase if he is a toker, I’ll be rooting for him instead of Pulver. lol. Not really, still rooting for Jens, but more power to the stoners!!!!!!!!!!

There is no way Pulver can hurt him. If Pulver wins in my mind it will be the biggest upset in UFC history. Bigger than Serra to GSP, bigger than Randy to Sylvia, and bigger than GG vs. CC.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Are you serious? And you also agreed with Dana’s comment that Rampage Knocking out Liddell was equivalent to Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson, right?

In any scenario, how can you conclude that if Team A beats Team B, then in the rematch Team B beats Team A – that this should be declared the biggest upset in the history of the world. You make no sense at all, and hopefully this lame example does make sense to some people. However I do understand if you can’t make sense of it, it is to be expected.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner. Did everyone forget that? BJ dominated Hughes for not just one, but 2 rounds, split his rib at the end of the second, and the third was handicapped, that was the first time Hughes did ANYTHING. BJ did, and can handle Hughes like an amatuer. He did not gas whatsoever. HE ONLY GASSED IN ONE FREAKIN FIGHT!!!!! WHATS THE ISSUE WITH HIS CONDITIONING!!!! He will smash Pulver, he can smash hughes, lets skip all the BS, give him a rematch with GSP.

jackie you are sadly ill informed

What’s BJ’s record in his last four, anyone know? I wanna see Aoki v Penn so bad.

Come on man, with your back ground in MMA, and you don’t know what BJ Penn record is??? I think I know what you’re after. But just to make it clear, BJ Penn is one of the fighter you should not judge base on record, everyone knows that. Just like Randy Coutour, and oh yah….Diego Sanchez.

Give us your pick Mamas Boy. BJ or Jens?

Ha… whoever I pick is money going the other way. I’d like to see BJ win so I’m going with Jens, final answer.

After Jens wins that will be 3 loses in a row for Penn. His next opponent will be Ross Pointon.

Ha, yeah he will be the most talented fighter to not be able to get a fight in the UFC. He’s friggin toast if he loses. He’s WEC if he loses.

This is disgusting. You guys are acting like a bunch of school girls daydreaming about Justin Timberlake. Do you really think BJ is that good?
He has won just one big fight—his first matchup with Hughes. Since then, he best known for being a highlight on other fighter’s resumes. If he doesn’t start getting his fat ass into shape he’ll have to move up to LHW just survive the weight cuts.[/quote]

So when did all you guys really know the results of the TUF5 season? UFCmania said it had been out since before ep. 1, when did ya’ll know?

Keep in mind that if Jens loses it sets up the PPV rubber match for bigger money. This is your standard UFC script. Jens may in fact have more incentive to lose. I’m still waiting for your pick Mamas Boy.

He (Jens) was definitely the sh1t 4 some years ago. And he did take Lauzon lightly and paid for it. If he doesn’t do well in this fight he’s probably finished. I’d say the same for Penn but he’s a fan favorite so he’ll probably get to fight no matter how many losses he piles up. The Frank Mir factor.

Mamas Boy has officially gone on record. He’s picking Pulver.

Man on paper it LOOKS bad for Jens but it LOOKED really bad for Serra, ya just never know, but I really feel if its a normal night Penn will mop the floor with Jens. Penn is one tough guy, his last three loses are to first, Matt Hughes, easily the most dominant welter weight of all time, then a close one to St.Pierre probably the best fighter on the planet pound for pound, then he fights Lyoto an undefeated LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT fighter, Penn has nothing to be ashamed of. Penn should easily win this one, and I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t.

I think Penn has far more to lose than Jens does with this fight, Jens beat him already and almost everyone expects Penn to win, I think it will hurts Bj’s career if he loses again.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Are you serious? And you also agreed with Dana’s comment that Rampage Knocking out Liddell was equivalent to Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson, right?

In any scenario, how can you conclude that if Team A beats Team B, then in the rematch Team B beats Team A – that this should be declared the biggest upset in the history of the world.

You talk about me making no sense? Your team A and team B thing is mind boggling and I can almost garuntee every poster in here dosnt know what the heck you are talking about.

Either way, you didn’t even reply or prove wrong my statement, just wrote a bunch of worthless blabber. What a waste. I suppose taht measn im absolutly right.

This is disgusting. You guys are acting like a bunch of school girls daydreaming about Justin Timberlake. Do you really think BJ is that good?

He has won just one big fight—his first matchup with Hughes. Since then, he best known for being a highlight on other fighter’s resumes. If he doesn’t start getting his fat ass into shape he’ll have to move up to LHW just survive the weight cuts.

I mean c’mon. I can think of at least 20 upsets that would be bigger. There has already been about 10 listed in this post. Half of Randy Couture’s wins can be considered big upsets. He has been the considerable underdog for years. Nobody in the world expected him to dominate Tito and win the belt, and then dominate Chuck in thier first fight.

But just from very recent memory Alexander/Jardine wasn’t a bigger upset? I suppose you just knew a lot more about Houston Alexander than you do about Jens Pulver. And that’s awesome, because that meant that you would have bet some serious cash on Houston Alexander. The odds were just over 20-1.