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UFC Fight Night 10: A great show at an even better price

UFC Fight Night 10 jon fitch vs roan carneiro

As if UFC 72 wasn't in enough trouble already.

UFC Fight Night 10 was a great card that like the sport itself was diverse and well rounded.

We had KO's, decisions and what was with the triangle choke?

And also like the sport, it delivered.

As expected, fan apathy was a major factor going into tonight's event. Even on free TV, a card devoid of star attractions and big name fighters is a tough sell. But in the end I was pleasantly surprised.

<!--&amp;amp;amp;amp;ndash;&amp;amp;amp;amp;ndash;more&amp;amp;amp;amp;ndash;&amp;amp;amp;amp;ndash;-->Before I dive into the card, I'd like to just vent about the McFedries/Radev stoppage. Now I know Steve Mazzagatti to this day takes a lot of heat for the Edwards/Thompson stoppage, but Jorge Alonso puts him to shame with his reaction to the McFedries KO.

Not since Gary Goodridge elbowed Paul Herrera into the land of numbered sheep have I winced like that at a knockout. Anyone who disagrees with me should:

1. Watch the replay of Radev being carried out on a stretcher.

2. Take a close look at the stoppage of Johnson/Reiner for a look at how it should be done.

And shame on McFedries for trying to prove a point. I know, I know, keep fighting until the referee stops it, but at some point you have to realize (even through adrenaline and momentum) that your opponent is on ice.

Maybe he was punishing Radev for his loss against Martin Kampmann at UFC 68. For those with a short–term memory or not enough Jackson's to order the event, Kampmann choked out McFedries with an arm triangle but refused to break the hold despite Herb Dean repeatedly beating on him. No doubt that McFedries has lethal hands, but his ground game is going to cost him against anyone smart enough to avoid striking with him.

And while I'm ranting about one KO, I might as well finish with the other. I know Anthony Johnson is patting himself on the back for his KO against Chad Reiner, but Johnson himself was rattled just prior to that.

Sometimes a slugfest can be rewarding (see Stout/Fisher) but for the most part I'm not a big fan of it because it doesn't require a tremendous amount of skill. When two guys go in there and swing for the fences it really just comes down to who connects first. I felt that way about Jardine/Alexander as well back at UFC 71.

Reiner at 0–2 may find himself looking for a new place to fight. I think Johnson will be back but with just one fight (and 13 seconds) of experience in the UFC he still has a long way to go and a lot to prove.

And what was with Johnson's pre–fight promo? Very few fighters can pull that shtick off. Rampage is one of them. Johnson is not. Win some fights before you get too crazy.

Speaking of crazy, how relentless was Thiago Tavares? From his grappling to his ground–and–pound, he ran a clinic on the veteran Jason Black. When people talk about pushing the pace that's about as good an example as you can get.

Now 2–0 in the UFC, look for Tavares to get some upcoming airtime. I would love to see Tavares/Florian.

I don't think this loss hurt's Black's career but I have to question his tenure at 155. When Joe Silva says you look like "Abe Lincoln with rabies" at the weigh–ins it might be time to reconsider your drop in weight classes.

Not to long ago, we posted some disappointing news about UFCmania's sponsorship of Jon Fitch. Now that wound has been reopened as Fitch turned in another outstanding performance against a very tough opponent.

What impressed me the most about this fight was that if you watch how Fitch competes, you'll notice how he's always working. Tied up against the cage? Hammer fists to the thigh. Slammed to the mat? Punches to the ribs and head.

Even when he was in danger of being choked out he was able to maintain his composure and work through it. And when he came out for round two he was a much different fighter. Gunny Highway said it best in Heartbreak Ridge: Improvise, overcome, adapt.

If Fitch doesn't face a top five welterweight on a major PPV in his next fight it will be an absolute travesty. I know I'm a biased Fitch fan, but the guy does happen to be 6–0 in the Octagon and on a thirteen fight winning streak.

One of the more popular MMA forums just had a thread titled: Dear UFC, please scrap Franklin vs. Okami in favor of Stout vs. Fisher III.

Not only was it funny, but it was also a pretty good idea. This was one of the better fights you'll see this year and Spencer Fisher looked sharper than ever. I won't call it one of the all–time greats because from an MMA standpoint this was strictly a stand–up war with no groundwork whatsoever.

Believe me, I'm not complaining because the entire fifteen minutes was an edge–of–your–seat war. Sam Stout may call himself "Hands of Stone" but after the punishment he took from Fisher I think it's safe to say the rest of him is made of stone as well. Look for both of these guys to be back real soon. They've earned it.

I'm sure UFCmania will be checking in with his thoughts from being in attendance just as soon as he gets home (and sobers up). Until then, be sure to leave your feedback on tonight's card in the comments section below.

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God I couldn’t agree more about the “slugfest” part. It’s all luck and not alot of skill and stratagy involved.
I personally don’t even find it THAT exciting. I’d rather see a skill on skill, stratagy on stratagy, technique on technique back and forth battle. Don’t get all the hype about the “war” “slugfest” like this, and like Stephen and Forrest

by The Anomaly on Jun 13, 2007 1:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the fisher stout was definitely a great fight. there was a couple of times though were it looked like fisher could of finished it but he backed off

by RoB on Jun 13, 2007 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice write up, i couldn’t agree more about the mcfedries fight not being stopped quick enough, those last two punches should have never landed, that ref should have put himself in a better position to stop that fight as soon as radev went down, me and my brother both looked at each other like “what the hell was that ref doing?”…i just added thiago tavares to the list of my favorite fighters, that guy was like a little diego sanchez, he’s a tough match up for anyone in the 155 division and yes him and ken flo would be a sick fight…fitch impressed me how he was able to overcome some adversity and then come out in that 2nd rd. a different fighter, carneiro was a big dude and looked like he was gonna give fitch some problems at first and fitch came through like he always does, he deserves karo, i hope the ufc comes through with that fight, we all want it and it should happen…maybe the main event won’t win fight of the year, but it sure as hell will be a top ten because that was two guys killing each other and neither willing to quit, thats a fight, thats a war, maybe not a karo vs. diego type fight because of the diversity of that fight, but still a great fight worthy of fight of the year nomination…

by tha spida on Jun 13, 2007 1:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve never posted before but I just wanted to say how ridiculous that McFedries stoppage was. You cant let a man take two or three shots to an unguarded face like that. It was bad before I even knew Radev was taken out on a stretcher. Bad job by the refs on this one. This is the type of thing MMA doesnt need right now.

by Suicidebree on Jun 13, 2007 1:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

mostly all the fights are awesome we got our moneys worth on this one. I hope this saturday would be better.

by St. Amour on Jun 13, 2007 1:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great show, very entertaining. If you wanna hear our post-event podcast on the show, check it out here. Best event of the year so far, got me out of my post-Dynamite funk

by Fightlinker.com on Jun 13, 2007 1:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am sooo looking forward to Stout/ Fisher 3! Great fight tonight, We’ll just have to wait for the weekend for UFC 72 to see if it compares to tonights action.. but I’m not getting my hopes up..

by Briggzy on Jun 13, 2007 1:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good lord change the font back

by BLOodyMEss on Jun 13, 2007 1:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i love slugfests. having said that, the mcfedries radev went too far. jon fitch again impresses, he’s gotta be rollin up soon. fitch v karo. yeh.

by nopesorryhomie on Jun 13, 2007 2:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thiago Tavares was the fighter of the night, I really feel sorry for his next opponent. I mean his technique and pace was just out of this world!!! I ahdn’t seen Jon Fitch fight before. I think he was pretty good but I didn’t get that impression that tells you this guy is championship material like you get when you see GSP. Should be a great opponent for Karo or Diego next.

by Donner on Jun 13, 2007 2:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man Fisher looked great. He has great skiils with those hands, and I think that he did what he should have, becuase he was dominating. What I do not understand is the post figh “it was a draw,” I mean I know you have to be respectable, but man he dominated.

Oh and that Submission was slick man, he threw that triangle quick.

LAter
Chris Valentine

by Chris Valentine on Jun 13, 2007 2:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“You don’t get to be world-class muay-thai by being a pussy.”
Joe Rogan on the amount of punishment Stout can take.

Great write-up, I certainly want to see Tavares against a higher level 155er.

And give us Fitch-Karo. I think Fitch-Kos or Fitch-Diego would be great, but won’t work due to scheduling. I know you say you may be a “a biased Fitch fan”, but I waited until tonight to judge Fitch. He’s a bad man.

by nvandy89 on Jun 13, 2007 3:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And give us Fitch-Karo.

totaly agree that would be a hell of a fight and in my opinion the winner of that fight should be next in line to get a title shot after the winner of GSP Kos.

by Tim Willett on Jun 13, 2007 3:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“And shame on McFedries for trying to prove a point. I know, I know, keep fighting until the referee stops it, but at some point you have to realize (even through adrenaline and momentum) that your opponent is on ice.”

I couldn’t agree with you more, man. That was just completely unnecessary on McFredries part.

by just1fix on Jun 13, 2007 4:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the athletic boards should start looking and handing out fines to fighters who do not stop when the referee clearly stops the match. I can understand 1-2 seconds but anything over than that is over the line.

by Mrskorpion on Jun 13, 2007 4:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great summary of the event. I must say, this was by far the best UFN, especially considering there have been no “big names” on the fight card.

Tavares looked amazing. The quick transitions, good technique, pure domination and relaxed state when being in a kimura. This guy is definetly made for a Tavares-Florian bout, in which I’d favor Tavares actually.

Yes, you are completely biased about Fitch! But regardless if you are a Fitch fan or hater – the outcome of the analysis would be the same. There is nothing to argue about his performance against a top-class BJJ expert. And submitting an experienced BJJ fighter: wonderful, even thou his striking led to this in the first place. I liked how Fitch came out all fired up in this second round. Its a bit too early for Fitch-Pariysan, especially considering Pariysan would be furious for getting another non-title shot, but I could see Fitch-Hughes (yes, I think Hughes is a better match than Parisyan for Fitch).

Spencer-Stout was amazing. I agree partly about it being less technical and skillful than maybe a grappling match, but Spencer showed good boxing technique, switching stances, adapting to variations in Stouts game. Very well done and I wouldn’t mind a third bout either.

On a sidenote: yes, switch back to the old font. This one hurts my eyes.

by YouTapped on Jun 13, 2007 5:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best fight night yet, stout is a tuff kid he took some bombs good fight, id love to see a part three!

by thenovemberact on Jun 13, 2007 5:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Switch the font back.

Always thought Jason Black was a bad man, but wondered if his record wasnt a bit padded fighting in small shows. Then I wondered about dropping down to 155 when he was a natural and big 170er. Well, all that’s now been answered, he looked completely outclassed. I know that was Thiago Tavares, but still. He looked inept. I dont think the weight class change had anything to do with it. He isnt on the same level.

I dont see what anyone enjoyed about the headline fight. It sucked, pure and simple. Wanna see how not to fight in MMA, how not to finish, how not to execute an intelligent gameplan, this fight is for you. The striking wasnt crisp, it was swing once or twice, and back away. Stouts corner doesnt let him know that he’s down at least one, maybe two ( I gave the first to Stout ). So in the third he comes out with the same gameplan? Neither of those guys belong in title contention talk.

But Fitch had me on the edge of my bar stool the whole time. He lost the first, no doubt, but showed incredible composure, a steady hand, and great mental toughness. He continued to work, kept looking for opportunities to inflict damage, and stayed calm. When the second started, he looked ready. WOW. His standup has improved a ton and he capitalized and finished the moment he could. Those body shots set up that RNC nicely as Roan had his right arm down defending the body, leaving his neck wide open.
Congradulations Jon. Great win. Rogan spoke very well about you, hope you get to hear it. Karo next. War Fitch!

by MoreThanUFC on Jun 13, 2007 7:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A great night of FIGHTS!!! Spencer is da real deal..Stout “hands of steal”..should get renicknamed “Chin of Steal”..that boy ate some shots..Da first KO of da night was nutz..I just felt da ref slept in da fight..that bulgerian dude ate 2more shots 2much b4 da ref jumped in to save him..

by PhilQNY on Jun 13, 2007 8:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

every fight had me sitting up in bed… Fitch came back with a great second round, the Fisher-Stout fight was a war…
Great card overall. Im just wondering what happened to badev… he got REALLY messed up.

by Luppers on Jun 13, 2007 8:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On the McFedries fight, what was the ref doing, picking his nose? Horrible job. I would of disagreed with the post, but after 2 shots to the head, McFedries should of pulled back on the third. I don’t mind so much a slugfest, but in moderation.(Spencer/Stout being the exception) I was gonna give it a thumbs in the middle, but the Tavares/Black fight and the main event made it work.

by Jayvelez on Jun 13, 2007 8:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To add to Mania’s point about letting up when your opponent is down (McFeddries.) His teammate, and the person half this site was hating on (King Fish) is absolutely one of the most honorable fighters out there, and lets up more then ANYONE else. I remember atleast two fights (one was the flying knee to Wiman, the other I cant remember) where Fisher literally looked at the ref and stopped attacking. Cocky? Maybe…. respectful to his opponent’s health? ABSOLUTELY!!!

by Luppers on Jun 13, 2007 8:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But Fitch had me on the edge of my bar stool the whole time. He lost the first, no doubt, but showed incredible composure, a steady hand, and great mental toughness. He continued to work, kept looking for opportunities to inflict damage, and stayed calm. When the second started, he looked ready.

I really think, after seeing that fight lastnight, that these are the reasons that Fitch will be a champion someday. He showed more then just fighting talent, he showed what GSP showed against BJ… You dont get your ass whooped in the first round then fight with as much mind as he did in the 2nd… REALLY impressive win for him.

Unfortunately we know now why Carneio has 5 – now 6 losses. Guy has talent, but not the intangables to back it up it seems.

by Luppers on Jun 13, 2007 8:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, on Mania’s other thought about Johnson’s ‘black man’ comments… I didnt get the feeling that Johnson was making an audacious joke out of it like Rampage does. You can tell that when Rampage talks about ‘getting his ass kicked by a big black man..’ Rampage is making jokes. He knows that to most of the fighters in MMA, race, creed, whatever doesnt mean much. Johnson made me laff by his comments, but definitely not in a good way.

by Luppers on Jun 13, 2007 8:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Greatest Fight Night ever, hands down.

I pretty much agree with YouTapped’s comments, so I’m gonna save on typing.

And once again, way to go Jon Fitch! Great showing of adversity and finding a way to win – and what an escape out of that submission when most people would’ve tapped! Like MoreThanUFC said, Rogan did right by you and at least they are acknowledging you’ve been “unlucky” as far as getting your shot at the title. I think you’re finally on your way now.

by Mika on Jun 13, 2007 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice write up, i couldn’t agree more about the mcfedries fight not being stopped quick enough, those last two punches should have never landed, that ref should have put himself in a better position to stop that fight as soon as radev went down, me and my brother both looked at each other like “what the hell was that ref doing?”…i just added thiago tavares to the list of my favorite fighters, that guy was like a little diego sanchez, he’s a tough match up for anyone in the 155 division and yes him and ken flo would be a sick fight…fitch impressed me how he was able to overcome some adversity and then come out in that 2nd rd. a different fighter, carneiro was a big dude and looked like he was gonna give fitch some problems at first and fitch came through like he always does, he deserves karo, i hope the ufc comes through with that fight, we all want it and it should happen…maybe the main event won’t win fight of the year, but it sure as hell will be a top ten because that was two guys killing each other and neither willing to quit, thats a fight, thats a war, maybe not a karo vs. diego type fight because of the diversity of that fight, but still a great fight worthy of fight of the year nomination…

I agree with all you said except with Fitch vs. Karo. Karo should be getting a title shot if there is any justice in the world. If you go through the list from the top, everyone is scheduled to fight soon: Serra, Hughes, GSP, Kos, Diego… except Karo. The GSP-Kos winner is probably getting next shot.
I’d like to see Karo get next after that. What about Chris Lytle? Is off the radar now after Hughes spanked him?

by Mamas Boy on Jun 13, 2007 8:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To add to Mania’s point about letting up when your opponent is down (McFeddries.) His teammate, and the person half this site was hating on (King Fish) is absolutely one of the most honorable fighters out there, and lets up more then ANYONE else. I remember atleast two fights (one was the flying knee to Wiman, the other I cant remember) where Fisher literally looked at the ref and stopped attacking. Cocky? Maybe…. respectful to his opponent’s health? ABSOLUTELY!!!

I completely agree that it is 90% the refs resposibility to throw himself in to stop it like the other ref did (johnson fight). That idiot Jorge Alonso must have been scoping out the ring chicks or something and lost track of the fight… just 34 seconds into it. Bueno trabajo senior!

by Mamas Boy on Jun 13, 2007 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My expectations for UFN 10 were very low coming into it and I was very pleased by the end- although a bit shocked at how quick the fights went. 34 seconds then 13 seconds. I could hear Spike busting out the emergency contingency script to fill time.

Hey! Did anyone notice the quality of the commercials?! It was like watching a major network broadcast… beer commercials, cars, you name it. UFC 70 (which one was free from England?) was mostly GGW and male enhancement… very seedy. Spike is making some money now boy.

by Mamas Boy on Jun 13, 2007 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was pretty impressed with Fitch’s submission defense last night. Stout/Fisher was also a great slug fest, with all the hype about Stout “truely hating” Fisher, I am impressed about how humble Fisher was in victory. A close fight, would love to see a Stout/Fisher 3.

As much as I love to see striker’s fight, I agree that when the strikers aren’t technical strikers, it loses all appeal, cause anyone can throw their arms around and pray for some contact. Now in McFedries defense, 2 punches after the KO is not a big deal, everyone does it, noone stops after landing their first puch when starting GnP. The only reason we are even talking about it is just because McFedries has such heavy hands. Big John stopped it as fast as he could, just a bad night to be Radev.

by Matt on Jun 13, 2007 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was pretty impressed with Fitch’s submission defense last night. Stout/Fisher was also a great slug fest, with all the hype about Stout “truely hating” Fisher, I am impressed about how humble Fisher was in victory. A close fight, would love to see a Stout/Fisher 3.

As much as I love to see striker’s fight, I agree that when the strikers aren’t technical strikers, it loses all appeal, cause anyone can throw their arms around and pray for some contact. Now in McFedries defense, 2 punches after the KO is not a big deal, everyone does it, noone stops after landing their first puch when starting GnP. The only reason we are even talking about it is just because McFedries has such heavy hands. Big John stopped it as fast as he could, just a bad night to be Radev.

Big John wasnt the ref, but the same still applies. haha.

by Matt on Jun 13, 2007 9:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh Alfonso definitely blew it…Dean, Wough, Yamasaki, McCarthy, and any other ref we have seen in the Octagon in the last 2 years would have stopped that fight just seeing how Radev fell. He was CLEARLY outcold..

Blame him? Lil bit… his angle was bad, but he should have made an effort to physicaly restrain McPhedries after Radev fell.

I think any MMA fight or fan would agree that its better to stop the fight early, then late…

by Luppers on Jun 13, 2007 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, on Mania’s other thought about Johnson’s ‘black man’ comments… I didnt get the feeling that Johnson was making an audacious joke out of it like Rampage does. You can tell that when Rampage talks about ‘getting his ass kicked by a big black man..’ Rampage is making jokes. He knows that to most of the fighters in MMA, race, creed, whatever doesnt mean much. Johnson made me laff by his comments, but definitely not in a good way.

Agree dude.

by MoreThanUFC on Jun 13, 2007 9:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought Fitch was cooked when he got stuck in the Anaconda. That was a great performance. He escaped his opponents signature move, twice. A great night of fights capped off by a nice toe to toe brawl. Stout seemed like he couldn’t keep enough distance to launch his kicks. Spencer kept closing the gap. I agree with you Frizz, Fisher versus Kenny Florian would be a great matchup. A lot of quality fighters last night except that guy that got knocked out by Mcfedries. He had nothing. People are blaming the ref for not stopping Mcfedries sooner, but did you see how Mcfedries shoved him when he did stop it? Mcfedries should have shown better discipline and more compassion.Tavares impressed me the most. I’m glad “the Barncat” had a decisive submission on Spratt.

by MrFye on Jun 13, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont see what anyone enjoyed about the headline fight. It sucked, pure and simple. Wanna see how not to fight in MMA, how not to finish, how not to execute an intelligent gameplan, this fight is for you. The striking wasnt crisp, it was swing once or twice, and back away. Stouts corner doesnt let him know that he’s down at least one, maybe two ( I gave the first to Stout ). So in the third he comes out with the same gameplan? Neither of those guys belong in title contention talk.

Maybe from a technical standpoint it wasn’t all that but I enjoyed it thoroughly. High energy, not a hugfest. Fisher edged Stout out in each round but up until the end I wasn’t sure who was going to win because Stout could have ended it if he landed.

by Mamas Boy on Jun 13, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best lightweight fight of the year so far. Fisher and Stout should get mad air time from now on, because that was impressive on both of their parts. For all that hype about “hating” fisher, they both looked like they have a lot of respect for each other. It was about Honor, not about “bad blood”.

Much better then the last UFN. What sucks is, that was enough MMA for me for one week, I definately am not ordering UFC 72 now. UFN will probably be better than UFC 72 anyway.

Did you notice that no reality TV stars made for great fights?!

by Hoodlum on Jun 13, 2007 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alot of great fighters for sure, hopefully not the last we see of jason Black, i’m sure he can put on a better show. tavarez is the bomb though. Spencer vs Roger Huerta. make it Happen Silva!

by BLOodyMEss on Jun 13, 2007 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Way to go Fitch! Very impressive. Great defensive ground skills and way to stay composed in getting out of Roan’s signature choak hold. Can definitly tell that he’s been working on his ju jitsu, and his stand up looked improved too. If Fitch keeps learning the game at this rate, LOOK OUT welterweight division! I am sure he won over a ton of fans that had never heard of him up until then. His prefight interview is exactly what you would want a fighter to say, he really knows how to carry himself as a professional. At the beginning of the show when Joe Rogan was talking about Jon Fitch, he says how he is 5-0 in the UFC, and beat tough guys like “Luigi Fiovoranti and Kuniyoshi Hironaka”. Why would he name these 2 fighters that no one has heard of. He should of mentioned Josh Burkman because the casual fan knows him becaus he is from TUF. Plus he must be considered a “tough fighter” becuase since Karo beat him, everyone is saying that Karo should get a title shot.

A couple other quick comments… Thiago Tavarez was freaking amazing. That kid has some serious skills. His ground game was top notch, and he has world class muay thai sills to go with it. He is going to be a very hard fight for anyone in the 155lb division, especially considering his ferocious pace. Sam stout lost the fight for sure, be damn did he show that he has a chin. He took some serious shots from Fisher and stayed up. I agree with other people who are saying that this was the best UFN. Unbelievable considering the card going into the event!

by ViolentMike on Jun 13, 2007 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Decent write up, but what’s w/ the unnecessary bashing of 3 Black fighters in the opening moments??? I understand they all happened to be involved in slugfests, but it seems as though you’re bashing them more than praising the fact that they took out they’re opponents in such devastating fashion so early. I think it’s a bit unfair to the fighters, personally?

And don’t hate on McFedries. You go until the ref stops it, point blank, end of story. Don’t like the stoppage, yell at the ref, not the fighter.

by Noel on Jun 13, 2007 11:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thiago tavares showed great composure, even when he wa all tied up. Thiago’s skills were very impressive right from the start of the match, he went in foran immediate take-down,lost that one, then attempted another take down, scored and just rolled around with Black for a mintue or two and was able to demonstrate some great ground work!..
I can’t wait to see this guy fight again!

by ndnman on Jun 13, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay Noel, You can blame the referee for not stopping McFedries, but be real, the ref can only intervene so quickly. You can’t really expect their reflexes to be as fast as McFedries punches. Why did he shove the referee after the fight was stopped?

by MrFye on Jun 13, 2007 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

( I gave the first to Stout )

WOW, maybe you didn’t see the first 3 and a half minutes of that round, fisher destroyed stout for most of round one, i think stout had a couple nice flurries in the last minute but that was it, he got beat up that round, theres no way to give it to stout…

by tha spida on Jun 13, 2007 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What happened to my comment?

by Noel on Jun 13, 2007 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe from a technical standpoint it wasn’t all that but I enjoyed it thoroughly. High energy, not a hugfest. Fisher edged Stout out in each round but up until the end I wasn’t sure who was going to win because Stout could have ended it if he landed.


Mama’s Boy… couldnt agree anymore. That is the absolute best and most appealing point of MMA for me, versatility. You can watch a great fight like Gonzanga – Cro Cop where its ground then up and a high kick. Or you can watch a fight like Fish-Stout lastnight where the two guys throw out and take abuse. Im all about jujitsu, wrestling, dirty clinch, you name it. Thats why I LOVE MMA. You can see it all, or you can see a straight up brawl. I always enjoyed doing things

Stout is a very improved fighter, Im really really happy to see him fend off the takedowns that Fish threw at him. Cant wait to see Stout again… But if Fisher fights like he did lastnight, everynight… Franca, Sherk… any of the 155ers are going down.

by Luppers on Jun 13, 2007 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its a bit too early for Fitch-Pariysan, especially considering Pariysan would be furious for getting another non-title shot, but I could see Fitch-Hughes (yes, I think Hughes is a better match than Parisyan for Fitch).

there was a thread up here a couple days ago with a quote from karo saying he would love to fight fitch, he knows he’s gonna need another fight or two before he gets his title shot…i don’t know how you can say its too early for fitch to fight karo either, he’s won his last 13 fights(6 in the octagon) they have a mutual win over burkman where it could be argued fitch looked better in, i think fitch is ready for karo, if not karo then who? hughes is locked up for a title shot in december and how could you say he’s ready for hughes and not karo, doesn’t make much sense…

by tha spida on Jun 13, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know I agree with self control and stopping when your opponent is asleep. I am surprised to hear this here though since I got bashed for saying that in the Lawler vs Trigg thread by the bloggers and the site. I can’t believe to read people calling the strikes of the night luck and don’t take ‘that much’ skill. HAHAHA Being able to take a shot and continue takes skill, landing that KO when someone else is aiming for your chin as well, takes skill. Staying cool under pressure takes skill. I know tons of people in the sport scared to punch because of how it opens you up to be struck. So doing it takes skill and heart. As for the one who hits first wins, Reiner hit Johnson first, Johnson grit down and stayed in the pocket for the KO. Although I say screw a mans race, if a white guy was to say that about a black man we would hear it for years. Fitch showed a big brain in his fight. He lost the first round, changed his gameplan completely in the second to finish it. Dana has plans for this guy.

by Tommy on Jun 13, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The main event fight was wonderful, much better than two guys doing “lay and pray”. I love great submission fighting too, but seeing two guys go on all heart and try to knock each other out was great fun to watch. One more from those two is needed!

Johnson and his black man comment was bullcrap and I look forward to seeing him knocked out in the future, he was way too cocky for his limited accomplishments.

Thiago Tavarez was a bit too cocky for my taste and he looked like he kicked Black after the tap out. Didn’t see much respect out of him at all, but he seems to be a very dangerous fighter. I think he needs a good buttwhipping first to teach him some respect for other fighters, but I think he will probably be a champ one day.

by AaronW on Jun 13, 2007 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know I agree with self control and stopping when your opponent is asleep. I am surprised to hear this here though since I got bashed for saying that in the Lawler vs Trigg thread by the bloggers and the site. I can’t believe to read people calling the strikes of the night luck and don’t take ‘that much’ skill. HAHAHA Being able to take a shot and continue takes skill, landing that KO when someone else is aiming for your chin as well, takes skill. Staying cool under pressure takes skill. I know tons of people in the sport scared to punch because of how it opens you up to be struck. So doing it takes skill and heart. As for the one who hits first wins, Reiner hit Johnson first, Johnson grit down and stayed in the pocket for the KO. Although I say screw a mans race, if a white guy was to say that about a black man we would hear it for years. Fitch showed a big brain in his fight. He lost the first round, changed his gameplan completely in the second to finish it. Dana has plans for this guy.

i agree with everything here, i don’t know how anyone can say anything bad about the main event…and i’m not one to give a damn about race either, but your comment on the johnson thing is right on the money…

by tha spida on Jun 13, 2007 12:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW, maybe you didn’t see the first 3 and a half minutes of that round, fisher destroyed stout for most of round one, i think stout had a couple nice flurries in the last minute but that was it, he got beat up that round, theres no way to give it to stout…


Maybe it was the second. One of the rounds I thought Stout initiated more when the punch count and damage were the same, I’ll watch it again tonite.
But dude, too much heart to quit? How about not enough heart to finish. They were playing Lotto MMA. That’s where you duck your head, close your eyes, throw a hook, and hope it hits something. Those comments you read about how technical of a striker Fisher is I always thought were laughable, but now they’re just plain wrong. And how bad was Stout’s corner compared to Fitch’s. They dont tell him the obvious,TAKE HIM DOWN?
Look, I like smart fighting, not Don Frye/James Thompson. This reminded me of the Morrison debacle, except of course, neither was shitting in their pants when they got pinned to the cage. ;) Anyone see that “fight” yet?
Fisher should get Thiago Tavares next, not J-Lau.

by MoreThanUFC on Jun 13, 2007 12:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes fitch’s corner was very good last night, and he listened and executed very nicely, nice job by him and his team…

by tha spida on Jun 13, 2007 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fisher didn’t seem to be closing his eyes and swinging wild to me, he was dropping hard crisp punches right on target time after time. The striking was excellent by both fighters. Sure there are some wild shots tossed here and there but the majority was tight work.

I think we watched different fights or something.

by AaronW on Jun 13, 2007 12:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

McFedries delivered unnecessary and cruel blows, even pushes the referee, and then thanks “God most of all” at the end of his long post-fight ramble.

This sport has its share of assholes.

by Erhardt on Jun 13, 2007 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

After last nights fight i think the ufc found a diamond in the rough with thiago tavares. Kid is a beast. Totally schooled black. Id like to see tavares against a top level 55 pounder with a similar skill set to his. If Florian can win his next fight id love to see him fight tavares. Id also love to see mcfedries fight terry martin.

by Tons on Jun 13, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There was nothing wrong with either the stoppage or with McFedries’ finish in the McFedries/Radaev fight. Violent KOs are a part of the sport. 2 or 3 unanswered blows at the end of a fight are common, and should be accepted as part of MMA.

There are countless examples of it: Randleman/Crocop 1, Lawler/Trigg, Rampage/Liddell 2 and on, and on. A fighter doesn’t know if the other guy is going to revive and continue fighting like Liddell briefly did, so you keep going until it’s stopped.

MMA isn’t point competition nor sparring. Fighters are going to occasionally get hit after they are unconscious. That is why the refs need to stay on top of things. This ref was maybe a split-second slow, but it was still an acceptable stoppage.

by Fred on Jun 13, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Overall show was very entertaining…72 has a lot to live up to this weekend. Especially charging so much to watch it. I will definetly be at Hooter’s I may not agree to pay for 72 but I sure as hell won’t miss it.

by Stafo on Jun 13, 2007 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One of your longer write-ups and definitely worth every inch.

“What impressed me the most about this fight was that if you watch how Fitch competes, you’ll notice how he’s always working. Tied up against the cage? Hammer fists to the thigh. Slammed to the mat? Punches to the ribs and head.”

This description reminded me of Kendall Grove. I also agree Fitch needs to see a top 5 guy in his next fight. Anything less than that would make me wonder about how they set up fights.

As for the McFriedes stoppage, I agree that both the ref (inadvertantly) and McFriedes let that go too far. I think back to when Rich Franklin knocked out Nate Quarry. There is a perfect example of a fighter knocking a guy out, realizing it and backing off. Mazagatti is usually on point, so he should be forgiven.

Hopefully Radev heals up and gets back into the cage, but his opponent will have to be of a different caliber. He just doesn’t have what it takes for a upper-B-level fighter like McFriedes.

by Mahde on Jun 13, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This Tavares cat is pretty good. Displayed some cockiness too after the fight. He looked like little Vitor in there(actually they do look alike). I agree, give him Florian next to see what he’s made of.

by LUKE on Jun 13, 2007 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, McFedries fight should have been stopped way sooner. The referee dropped the ball on that one. The guy was out when he hit the ground. McFedries should also take the blame because those 2 or 3 extra shots were just plain wrong.

“From an MMA standpoint…”
Does the absence of ground work makes it less of an MMA fight?
Nah.
Just slugging without skill?
Nah.
Spencer Fisher was chopping and cutting Stout’s offense with accurate combinations that included his right and left leg. I don’t really think that particular match was a slugfest at all. Spencer Fisher has some serious technical striking skills. Positioning your body to offset your opponent’s punch or kick takes skills. Can we mention Stout’s ability to defend the takedown properly and effectively. He made sure the fight did not go to the floor.

I can’t really call the Jardine-Houston fight a slugfest because all I saw was the first seconds of a fight where you attempt to measure your reach and the best way to attack from there. They both tasted each other’s punch and Jardine just happened to drop when he got caught coming in.

For slugfest, check Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo. Classic slugfest.

A striking match can not be technical? I see the sentiment throughout the comments. This is just my opinion and observation

by Vee on Jun 13, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i was kinda pissed off about the stout fisher fight, reminded me a lot of parisyan v sanchez. where they made it sound like spencer fisher was just completely dominating and i thought it was way closer on the cards than they made it sound. i mean joe rogan was talking up fisher so much im surprised he didnt ask for a towel. fisher’s name and experience in the UFC helped him win that fight. im not saying he deserved to lose, but it was a hell of a lot closer than the commentators made it seem.

by storhaug on Jun 13, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree dude.

As a black man, I felt what he said was off base & way out of place. Unless there was something said behind the scenes that would rationalize him making that statement, I can’t see the justification for it.

On that same note, during the Countdown to 72 show, what was up with Forrest’s comments about not losing to a Hispanic about? Again, another unwarranted comment that was completely out of place. Whats up with that Forrest?

by Machine on Jun 13, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Spencer Fischer Sam Stout fight may have been the best fight that the UFC has ever produced. Those guys looked like Mickey Ward and Arturo Gatti, and even Hearns versus Hagler os the early 1980’s.

Those two put on a fucking show and were hitting each other like they were 200 pounds.

Kevin “cuts” Kelly

by Kevin Kelly on Jun 13, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The ref in the McFedries fight was WAY late. After Radev got hit by the uppercut, he fell like he was almost out cold. But the replay showed the ref didnt’ even flinch. He should have gotten into position to stop McFedreis if he throws a punch or two and Radev doesn’t defend himself. He didn’t have a good angle to see how hard Radev was hit, but the way he fell should have been an obvious clue.

It was like he was spectator and forget he was the ref.

by Sam on Jun 13, 2007 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve never posted before but I just wanted to say how ridiculous that McFedries stoppage was. You cant let a man take two or three shots to an unguarded face like that. It was bad before I even knew Radev was taken out on a stretcher. Bad job by the refs on this one. This is the type of thing MMA doesnt need right now.

   Shouldn’t the refs be required to be in some kind of shape, meaning they can move quick enough so they can rescue the guy getting pummeled. The ref for the fight in mention looked like shit, like he’s never seen the inside of a gym, the guy was as slow as a f**king glacier. The guy should be fired, the ref should be responsible for the fighters safety, he should be able the throw the fighter off the other fighter, quickly.

by nathan on Jun 14, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone experiencing their first telecast of MMA on television would have to consider the sport brutal after watching that Mcfedries knockout. It supports the opposition’s case when they try to dehumanize the sport, that everyone on this site loves, by calling it “human cockfighting”. We can’t condone brutality in the octagon by hiding behind the rule that a fighter keeps fighting until the referee stops it. Each fighter as ironic as this sounds, has to be responsible for the safety and welfare of their fellow combatant. Everyone watching that fight at home knew the guy was out cold before he hit the ground. The person most aware and with the best view was McFedries. Please stop saying the ref should be fired. Experienced referees must be hard to come by and I would hope that this ref will learn from this experience.

by MrFye on Jun 14, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am getting really annoyed with the UFC. I have not missed a fight in years and I mean not even one. Even though I am shelling out 45 bucks a pop (monthly)now. It wouldnt be so bad, except they are not even showing the undercards any more. THey used to show them after the main event. So for a while after the big fights you could watch the up and coming fighters. Really, they are shooting themselves in the foot. The inevitable backlash coming. And after the frayed relationships with some of the big name fighters, if they alienate the hard core audience. they wont be able to give thse fights away. ENOUGH DANA!!

by shaydie on Feb 26, 2008 7:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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