—Talks about the Big Bear purchase and property, which used to belong to Oscar De La Hoya.

—Says he’s going back to basics and drilling wrestling with some collegiate talent because he thinks Evans will try and make it a wrestling match.

—Has NO respect whatsoever for Evans and his stand up. Ortiz says his performance against Sean Salmon was not impressive — Salmon was just a wrestler who blew his wad in the first three minutes of the fight.

—Says Evans was “juiced out” for a time.

—This fight is very personal after the shoving match at UFC 68. He says Evans is in for a reality check on 7/7/07. And that he better come in shape otherwise it’ll be a beatdown.

—Ortiz is “serious, pumped, excited, and roarin’” for this fight. (He sounded it, too.)

—He doesn’t want a title shot. Wants his next fight after Evans to be Shogun. He wants to fight the best and then prove that he deserves another title shot.

—On Liddell bet at UFC 71: It was stupid and a mistake. He didn’t see Rampage train for the fight so he didn’t know how ready he was. He says “that’s my gambling problem.”

—Has not spoken to Rampage since then, but says the two would “probably” fight if the money was right.

—Ortiz GUARANTEES that he will be champion again before he retires.

There’s lots more, especially on Dana White, but those points are what interested me most.

I cant wait for ortiz to be destroyed by evans. Gonna be rediculous. Especially since the first match only lasted like what 15 secs? And Evans got knocked out by a headbbutt directly on the chin when ortiz slammed him. So cheap. Rematch will be amazing!

he is ready for anything rashad has at 73, i get more confident in tito everyday that he’s going to win that fight, he’s focused on his training and wanting to be the champ again someday, i can’t see him losing…

—Ortiz GUARANTEES that he will be champion again before he retires.
I don’t know…Ortiz is only in his early 30’s, so he still does have a chance…Not against the Top guys though, unless he can evolve into a better fighter than he’s shown!

—He doesn’t want a title shot. Wants his next fight after Evans to be Shogun. He wants to fight the best and then prove that he deserves another title shot.

Can Ortiz take shogun. You never know. I would still put my money on Shogun!

—Says Evans was “juiced out” for a time.

What does he mean by this?

—Says Evans was “juiced out” for a time.

What does he mean by this?

Steroids.

YO UFC MANIA!!! I WON THE CONTEST FOR KICKING TITO IN THE ASS!! I HAVE MY PICTURE POSTED AND SENT U AN EMAIL WITH MY SCORE 141,277. WHATS THE PRIZE AND WHEN IS THE CONTEST OVER? U GUYS ROCK!!!

i hate tito.

YO UFC MANIA!!! I WON THE CONTEST FOR KICKING TITO IN THE ASS!! I HAVE MY PICTURE POSTED AND SENT U AN EMAIL WITH MY SCORE 141,277. WHATS THE PRIZE AND WHEN IS THE CONTEST OVER? U GUYS ROCK!!!

Ill turn off comments soon and go through them over the weekend. Ill announce on Sunday.

—Says Evans was “juiced out” for a time.

What does he mean by this?

Meaning Steroids!

I really do not think tha Tito will when this fight. If he does not respect Rashads hands then there is a good chance he could be knocked out. Rashad has some fast, REALLY fast hands. If that dude could train with a really top level boxer, he would be unstoppable. I think Tito will turn Rashad into a A lever fighter.

As for Shogun, who knows. Tito has beat some good guys before, mind you it has been a while, but he still has a chance.

Later
Chris Valentine

I would love to see Ortiz vs Shogun! What a great fight to watch play out….

I think Tito has the potential and the talent to beat anyone that he walks into the octagon against. However, I think his ego is definitely in the wrong place for victory over prime players like the now Wandi, Chuck, Hendo…. Evans? I think Evans isnt as refined as Tito… advantage Tito. Tito – Shogun, Shogun has harder hands, better standup, but Tito is strong enough to get him on the ground and keep him there. Shogun would win if he gets in the octagon now, and trains for the octagon.

Steroids.

Really?…That’s Whack..Is that true about Evans..I must have missed that one!

Steroids.

Forget about Tito! Evan has a chance to beat his ass out. Evan will prove them wrong.

Ill turn off comments soon and go through them over the weekend. Ill announce on Sunday.

Look for the photoshop marks!

..I’m wanting Tito to win..a loss for evans could in the long run do some good. Now Tito beating Shogun..Hhhmmmm. Now that I do not no. I would love to see that happen as Shogun’s 1st or 2nd fight in the Octagon..no punching bag matches for Sho..let’s get poppin wit some real UFC action.

Look for the photoshop marks!

While he looks for the photo shop remarks you can go to hell you BIOTCH!!! I won fair and square. Your just one of the many that couldnt kick titos ass!
THANKS UFC MANIA FOR RESPONDING SO QUICK!! HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND!!

OH AND WHEN TITO SAYS “JUICED” he means he ran out of juice..meaning he got tired. Rashad is not on steroids or we would have heard it all over the ufc sites like we did melvin, nick diaz, etc.

What’s weird to me is he was such a pro on TUF. He really helped to coach the guys on the show and was pretty straight up in the interviews. Now, he says and does stuff that loses the fans that he gained while on TUF.

One other thing that is weird, his head and chin. How did they get so big? It’s a medical mystery. No wonder GNP is his game, he can’t stand up. Liddel says he doesn’t like getting hit, but who can blame him with two huge targets to aim at.

It makes me laugh how many of you guys underestimate Tito just because Chuck beats him.He is a serious threat,look back on his fights he is not a top name for nothing.
Evans is in for the fight of his life,even against lame fighters he has more often than not won by desicion.
I f**kin hate Rashad Evans and I hope Tito puts this chump in a wheelchair,HA HA!

I cant wait for ortiz to be destroyed by evans. Gonna be rediculous. Especially since the first match only lasted like what 15 secs? And Evans got knocked out by a headbbutt directly on the chin when ortiz slammed him. So cheap. Rematch will be amazing!

What the hell are you talking about?

Also with this event being held on 7/7/07 which is 2 years on from the London bombings it will be interesting to see what kind of memorial service they have for the victims of the London bombings.

I hope they do more then just a 10 minute silence in between every fight or somthing lame like that,I would hope Dana would have the good sence to do a half hour service on PPV just in memory of the victims of 7/7 before the fighting starts,we might have to go with out one of the fights but its worth it to show we remember those who have suffered.

Us British fans would be very disapointed at anything less.

What the hell are you talking about?

That was the Evan Tanner fight not Rashaad evans.

I think Tito is dreaming. Shogun will hand him his ass in less than 2 minutes in my opinion. Tito was once an intimidating fighter but he is completely one dimensional. Get your opponent on his back and elbow him thats all he has.

That was the Evan Tanner fight not Rashaad evans.

Easy mistake to make, the resemblance is remarkable.

Easy mistake to make, the resemblance is remarkable.

Haha yeah, Evan Tanner that nappy heady ho.

What the hell are you talking about?

DirtyML, didn’t you know about the time Tito and Rashad fought before? … it happened in the parallel universe for the FUC Light Quantum Weight Title. Bizarre!

I think this is quite a step for Rashad. I hope he has he goods to put it to Tito, but something tells me NOT. Tito is no Salmon.
Looking past Rashad, I like Shogun to defeat Tito. Shogun is not a great striker, but Tito’s standup is not good. Tito will probably be able to get it to the ground, but Shogun should have answers for Tito’s GnP.

Sorry people, but Tito’s gonna lose this one. He can say what he wants about Rashad’s striking, but it doesn’t change the fact that Tito’s stand up has never been great either. Plus, Rashad has a RHK instant KO to his credit, a feat that few fighters get to achieve. Whether Salmon was tired or not, that was very impressive. Tito should be worried.

I think Evans will beat Tito. I KNOW SHOGUN COULD BEAT TITO WITH ONE ARM TIED BEHIND HIS BACK!

TITO IS ALL HYPE…HE’S GOT THE FEAR

Tito did sound like he knew what he was talking about but then again he always talks a good game, he sounded pretty confident against chuck too… Anyway who knows maybe he will change peoples mind about him by beating Evans and Shogun. I know I would be impressed.

Also with this event being held on 7/7/07 which is 2 years on from the London bombings it will be interesting to see what kind of memorial service they have for the victims of the London bombings.

I hope they do more then just a 10 minute silence in between every fight or somthing lame like that,I would hope Dana would have the good sence to do a half hour service on PPV just in memory of the victims of 7/7 before the fighting starts,we might have to go with out one of the fights but its worth it to show we remember those who have suffered.

Us British fans would be very disapointed at anything less.

Wow I wouldn’t be too happy at this at all, no offense whatsoever to the deceased but I dont want to miss a fight or watch 30 min of dead air that i’m paying for. As a matter of fact I would be slightly upset, and before any british fans take offense I surely would not expect you guys to take out a 30 min chunk of your ppv action to remember 9/11

I think Tito is dreaming. Shogun will hand him his ass in less than 2 minutes in my opinion. Tito was once an intimidating fighter but he is completely one dimensional. Get your opponent on his back and elbow him thats all he has.

By that logic, Chuck Liddell is a one dimensional fighter.

Tito is such a joke

Sorry people, but Tito’s gonna lose this one. He can say what he wants about Rashad’s striking, but it doesn’t change the fact that Tito’s stand up has never been great either. Plus, Rashad has a RHK instant KO to his credit, a feat that few fighters get to achieve. Whether Salmon was tired or not, that was very impressive. Tito should be worried.

I would strongly disagree. First off Ortiz’s stanup has improved greatly in the last few years. He held is own against Chuck and in some eyes was getting the best of Chuck in rounds 2 and 3. Tito’s biggest problem is he has never had knockout power. He can do alot damage in your guard but he lacks power standing.

Second. Rashad has yet to fight an “A” fighter. I’m sorry but Brad Imes, Jason Lambert and Sean Salmon aren’t exactly the top of the food chain. Rashad might have ended Salmon with a RHK but in reality the only reason Salmon belongs anywhere near a Octagon is to wipe off the mats at the end of the day.

The only way I see Rashad giving Tito problems is by setting a frantic pace that Tito is not comfortable with. I think Tito can control the standup and if he is taken down by Rashad he can actually submit Evans. Tito has a overlooked submission game that most UFC fans have never seen.

This is a VERY interesting fight that has major implications for both fighters.

I would strongly disagree. First off Ortiz’s stanup has improved greatly in the last few years. He held is own against Chuck and in some eyes was getting the best of Chuck in rounds 2 and 3. Tito’s biggest problem is he has never had knockout power. He can do alot damage in your guard but he lacks power standing.

Second. Rashad has yet to fight an “A” fighter. I’m sorry but Brad Imes, Jason Lambert and Sean Salmon aren’t exactly the top of the food chain. Rashad might have ended Salmon with a RHK but in reality the only reason Salmon belongs anywhere near a Octagon is to wipe off the mats at the end of the day.

The only way I see Rashad giving Tito problems is by setting a frantic pace that Tito is not comfortable with. I think Tito can control the standup and if he is taken down by Rashad he can actually submit Evans. Tito has a overlooked submission game that most UFC fans have never seen.

This is a VERY interesting fight that has major implications for both fighters.

Tito is also the slight, but odds-on favorite to win this fight. It’s going to be a lot closer than people think. Tito Ortiz is anything but a joke.

Tito is doing what he does best, stir up arguments for fights. I’ve said it before, and I will say it again, Evans will hand Tito his ass if he isn’t fully prepared for Evans and overconfident (which it sounds like).

By that logic, Chuck Liddell is a one dimensional fighter.

Im not sure if thats an apple apple comparison. Chuck is able to
take the fight anywhere. We just don’t often get to see it.
I suppose they’re both apples in that they are both very talented
fighters…..I’d give both of them my wallet if it were that or fight them.
mmmm…shit what am I saying…no I wouldn’t.
I’d out run them………….:)

Rashad is going to get Tito’d, elbow smashes to the head…1st round TKO…End of Story.

he is ready for anything rashad has at 73, i get more confident in tito everyday that he’s going to win that fight, he’s focused on his training and wanting to be the champ again someday, i can’t see him losing…

 I agree Spida. You and I share similar beliefs with alot of what goes on in here. Ortiz is a tremendous fighter. Liddell just happens to be his Kryptonite. As for anyone else in 205 right now Ortiz can stand with them and I can see him being victorious 9 out of 10 times. We will see Liddell/Ortiz 3, and we will see Ortiz/Wandy 2. Those matches have to happen the way I see the 205 division working itself out. Shogun will be a huge fight for him. I love both these fighters. I would be on the fence if this were to go down. Which it looks like it probably will soon enough. As for 73 Ortiz will win.

http://cbs2.com/sports/local_story_158210000.html

RAMPAGE IS BACK IN THE STUDIO! A lot of good footage, and a great interview. Those guys at CBS Sports gotta love that guy at this point. I’m sure he’ll be back before his fight with Henderson.

You guys really think Chuck Liddell isn’t one dimensional? What fights are you watching? The guy is a striker who has a great sprawl. He hates being on the ground and when taken there, he quickly tries to stand up. He is the epitome of a one dimensional fighter.

I f**kin hate Rashad Evans and I hope Tito puts this chump in a wheelchair,HA HA!

Interesting how you could “hate” a fighter who in comparison to your favorite has barely spoken publicly.

It doesnt matter what Tito says. He got a big head and he knows it. N he propably have a big mouth too. He talks a lot of trash to peole i wonder why. Sounds like he need some vitamin C! =) MEOW

By that logic, Chuck Liddell is a one dimensional fighter

Because he is.

Chuck is able to
take the fight anywhere.

lol, are you serious? When? Where? Against who?

Hopefully Rashad will pound Tito’s head/face in to a human size skull…

Hopefully Rashad will pound Tito’s head/face in to a human size skull…

Impossible, without removing peices of his skull, completely impossible. It’s too damn big. Really, too big literally and metaphorically. He and Jay Leno should have a “Chin-off”, battle of the chins, it’d be great TV.

Tito should win.If he wins I hope he can show some class and shut up.Nobody wants to see a person put on a stretcher or be put in a wheelchair-that would hurt this sport and be a setback for the growth of mma.Everybody talks shit in every sport.u either love the guy or hate him they say. Dana knows he can sell tickets.

Interesting how you could “hate” a fighter who in comparison to your favorite has barely spoken publicly.

Im only joking im just doing what MTUFC does when he wants someone to loose (talk sh*t)

I have huge respect for every single fighter that gets into the cage win or loose.

But yes I do want Tito to win (id hate to realy see anyone put in a wheel chair)

I dont know Evans to actualy hate him that much or at all,but,I do hat his fight style and think he is boring.

Thats just my opinion.

I hope Tito dosen’t look past Rah becasue he’s dangerous and looking ahead to a match with Shogun might not be the smartest idea.

Soko and Tito should fight to decide who gets to beat Shogun.

I hope Tito dosen’t look past Rah becasue he’s dangerous and looking ahead to a match with Shogun might not be the smartest idea

Yeah, I thought the same thing right after I read that. That can be considered a bad omen.

Soko and Tito should fight to decide who gets to beat Shogun

I’d love to see this. I wonder how hard it would be for Tito to take Soko down.

I’d love to see this. I wonder how hard it would be for Tito to take Soko down.

I think Soko could be a future champion

It sure seems that way. I mean, the abilities are there but just like any other up & coming fighter, I personally need to see him display the rest of his game.

I wonder how much trouble Tito would have taking Soko down

We’re just gonna have to sit on the opposite sides of the fence in this one spida. I gotta pull for Rashad though I know it’s his biggest test to date.

It sure seems that way. I mean, the abilities are there but just like any other up & coming fighter, I personally need to see him display the rest of his game.

We’re just gonna have to sit on the opposite sides of the fence in this one spida. I gotta pull for Rashad though I know it’s his biggest test to date.

i’m a rashad fan too so its hard for me to cheer for tito, when tito fought forrest i was in a similar situation and chose to cheer for forrest, but in this fight i just think tito needs this win more than rashad and i gotta pull for him, its a tough fight to call because nobody’s heard anything from rashad and we know he has a good camp, but i know tito is smart enough to realize he needs this bad, its gonna be an awesome fight, but as a fan of both i have to go with the guy i think has more on the line, may the best man win…

I hope Tito dosen’t look past Rah becasue he’s dangerous and looking ahead to a match with Shogun might not be the smartest idea.

I surely believe that he’s not looking past. He knows how big this fight is. Looking ahead to Shogun is the road to the top. He knows that Dana brought Shogun in to be the top guy sooner or later. Let’s face it! Ortiz knows he has a long road back up to the top. Why not call out the new big shot. It’s right up Tito’s alley to make statements like this. He is definetly focused on Rashad. Not only does he have to win, he has to be impressive.

tito wins by ground an pound about 2 an a half mins into the first

Shogun will beat Tito’s ass really bad.

tito needs to shut up and win, or go the hell home and be a coach.

All you Shogun fans are in for a HUGE suprise when this fool dosnt just zap his opponent and all the octogon with lightning and run threw everybody.
Plenty of poeple will give him trouble.

Shogun will beat Tito’s ass really bad.

i wish
tito has a knack for beating guys better than him

i wish
tito has a knack for beating guys better than him

Except for Liddell, but yes he does seem to pull off the win against tougher opponents. I see him giving Shogun a run. It’s a toss up. Whoever makes the first mistake

i’m a rashad fan too so its hard for me to cheer for tito, when tito fought forrest i was in a similar situation and chose to cheer for forrest, but in this fight i just think tito needs this win more than rashad and i gotta pull for him, its a tough fight to call because nobody’s heard anything from rashad and we know he has a good camp, but i know tito is smart enough to realize he needs this bad, its gonna be an awesome fight, but as a fan of both i have to go with the guy i think has more on the line, may the best man win…

i wish
tito has a knack for beating guys better than him

Except for Randy, Chuck, or Frank Shamrock.

This biggest crap on here is Shamrock claiming he wants to be the best ever and we won’t ever find out because he claims he wouldn’t ever fight in the UFC. There is so many fighters in the UFC that are awesome and that I personally think are better than Frank. So even if Dana gets over his trip on Shamrock, Frank claims he still wouldn’t comeback if the offer is there. Personally, with all thats going on I would be thinking about my future in the sport and trying to hook up with the UFC some how or another. Zuffa and the UFC are taking over and he’s trying to say he’s not worried. This guy is in denial. Ging back to my first thought if he truly claims to want to be the best shouldn’t he fight the best around.

i think that it is funny that the ufc is promoting the tito/evans fight more then they are promoting the main event. even on the ufc page, they show tito and evans on front of the ufc 73 picture, kind of disrespecting the champ in the middlewieght divison. even though we all know that if silva went up to lightheavey wieght he would destroy both of them at the same time.

i think that it is funny that the ufc is promoting the tito/evans fight more then they are promoting the main event. even on the ufc page, they show tito and evans on front of the ufc 73 picture, kind of disrespecting the champ in the middlewieght divison. even though we all know that if silva went up to lightheavey wieght he would destroy both of them at the same time.

For a while they had Tito/Evans as the main event on ufc.com,

I like Shogun but I have to say I am suprised that so many people have unlimeted confidence in his skills,if I was as big a fan as some of you guys I would be worried for Shogun coz when he comes to the octagon he cant use his stomps,he has to deal with the cage,elbows not being able to kick a downed oponent in the head so he could have some trouble ajusting to it and it wouldnt suprise me if he lost his first or second fight and then struggeled for a while.
I hope he does well and brings the pain,but for me he has alot to proove before I start saying he is gonna walk through everyone,and I doubt I ever will say that.

..I’m wanting Tito to win..a loss for evans could in the long run do some good. Now Tito beating Shogun..Hhhmmmm. Now that I do not no. I would love to see that happen as Shogun’s 1st or 2nd fight in the Octagon..no punching bag matches for Sho..let’s get poppin wit some real UFC action.

I saw a Tito-Wanderlei Silva fight from a while back and Tito won it using sort of the Rashad Evans method of just repeatedly taking him down and avoiding stand-up. A couple of times while they were up it looked like Silva rocked him but Tito would get it to the ground. Shogun looks like a younger Silva clone to me so the same scenario could play out.
If Shogun looks like Silva to me, Tito and Jackson’s styles look a lot alike too. And if you saw Shogun’s fight with Jackson, well to say it was a beat down would be putting it kindly. So a Tito-Shogun fight could go that way too.

I cant wait for ortiz to be destroyed by evans. Gonna be rediculous. Especially since the first match only lasted like what 15 secs? And Evans got knocked out by a headbbutt directly on the chin when ortiz slammed him. So cheap. Rematch will be amazing!

Ummm… you are thinking of Tito versus Evan Tanner.

I would strongly disagree.
…
The only way I see Rashad giving Tito problems is by setting a frantic pace that Tito is not comfortable with. I think Tito can control the standup and if he is taken down by Rashad he can actually submit Evans. Tito has a overlooked submission game that most UFC fans have never seen.

I completely agree with everything you say but can you envision Evans out-pacing Tito? Anything’s possible but I’ve seen Evans gas in every fight so far whereas Tito is a high-altitude trained machine.

Or hell, have Soko fight Rashad if he does win. I’m sure Soko can handle it.
However, Soko is a free agent and dosnt know where for srue he is gonna end up. I hope it is UFC, it will probably end up that way, but can’t help but worry.

This biggest crap on here is Shamrock claiming he wants to be the best ever and we won’t ever find out because he claims he wouldn’t ever fight in the UFC. There is so many fighters in the UFC that are awesome and that I personally think are better than Frank. So even if Dana gets over his trip on Shamrock, Frank claims he still wouldn’t comeback if the offer is there.

Yeah, the only place where Frank Shamrock can make more money outside the UFC is if he wears clown make-up and does magic tricks at one of Ken’s kids’ birthdays.

I just can’t like Tito. I have always disliked him.
…
cares if you win or lose? I like ya spida but I hope Rashad kicks his temple soft, won’t happen though Tito covers up too well and often. I think Rashad will surprise him on the ground.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=131

His only losses are to hall of fame guys and he has beaten some of the best too: Wanderlei Silva, Belfort, Evan Tanner, Griffin (not the best but a favorite and up-and-coming), Matushenko is still solid… a ton of guys.

I like Evans now that he actually fights instead of just wrestling and I like Tito (I’ve hated him too at different times) but I will be pulling for Tito to win because he does need it more than Evans.

Tito is already calling out Shougun …. After Evans

One of the reasons for the recent shocks ( Well of sorts ) IMO, is that fighters have been looking past the next opponent -

GSP , Im sure hed been approached about TUF 6 … UFC would have been angleing for GSP v HUGHES III ? Takes Serra lighlty, gets nailed ?

Sylvia – Beat Randy , you can have Cro Cop … Nailed

Cro Cop … was already stated he would fight Randy at UFC 74 when he dispatches Gonzago…… NAILED again

Chuck ….. Not a major suprise ( Well to some ! ) Rampage does him and then same night Henderson fight released ….. Nailed

Fighters obviously have to look at the bigger picture, but do they sometime take there eyes of the ball to speak ?

Im going to put money on Evans nailing Tito for the same reason!

This biggest crap on here is Shamrock claiming he wants to be the best ever and we won’t ever find out because he claims he wouldn’t ever fight in the UFC. There is so many fighters in the UFC that are awesome and that I personally think are better than Frank. So even if Dana gets over his trip on Shamrock, Frank claims he still wouldn’t comeback if the offer is there. Personally, with all thats going on I would be thinking about my future in the sport and trying to hook up with the UFC some how or another. Zuffa and the UFC are taking over and he’s trying to say he’s not worried. This guy is in denial. Ging back to my first thought if he truly claims to want to be the best shouldn’t he fight the best around.

i agree, i would love to see frank shamrock in the ufc, he is definitely one of the best in the world and i’d like to see him fight some of the other top guys…

Frank would get destroyed and he doesn’t want to go out like that, he would rather leave people wondering than get his ass kicked and face the truth.

If you are smart, you will put your money on Tito. Rashad has very little chance to pull this one out.

i agree, i would love to see frank shamrock in the ufc, he is definitely one of the best in the world and i’d like to see him fight some of the other top guys…

Phil Baroni should give him a beat down.

Tito Ortiz is amazing, (remember I am completely bias with Tito) and he is literally going to destroy Evans, but with him saying that he is expecting Evans to be a wrestling match and if Rashad hears that, he will try to keep it on the feet to surprise Tito Ortiz.
Shogun vs. Tito would be such an incredible fight, but poor Shogun Rua, even though you are practcally the best 205 pound fighter in the world, Tito Ortiz would punish him back to the Pride Fighting Championships (if there even is one now and days… thanks Dana!)
Tito has one of the most elite ground and pounds in the world today.

Goign Back to Evans, I think Tito is easily going to ground and pound him and possibly end him in Round 1, similiar to Shamrock.

Have fun working on a grill Evans, because Tito is going to PUNISH YOU.

i agree, i would love to see frank shamrock in the ufc, he is definitely one of the best in the world and i’d like to see him fight some of the other top guys…[/quote]

Frank isn’t top guys or even top ten, he was but not anymore. He wouldn’t be able to hang way the likes of Fihlo and Silva.

By that logic, Chuck Liddell is a one dimensional fighter.

Chuck IS a one-dimensional fighter (and I’ve always said that, even during his winning streak). He trains in all 3 ranges, but all you’ll ever see in a fight is the half-ass Ali footwork and the Roy Jones, Jr-style low hands trained into Chuck by Ali-fanatic John Hackleman. Chuck is an accurate puncher with a great sprawl/ground escape, but he is a pure sprawl-and-brawler.

Frank isn’t top guys or even top ten, he was but not anymore. He wouldn’t be able to hang way the likes of Fihlo and Silva.

If Frank Shamrock were to come into the UFC, Tito Ortiz would punish him into retirement just like Ken.
Tito is undefeated against Lion Den memembers

If Frank Shamrock were to come into the UFC, Tito Ortiz would punish him into retirement just like Ken.
Tito is undefeated against Lion Den memembers

I would strongly disagree. First off Ortiz’s stanup has improved greatly in the last few years. He held is own against Chuck and in some eyes was getting the best of Chuck in rounds 2 and 3. Tito’s biggest problem is he has never had knockout power. He can do alot damage in your guard but he lacks power standing.

Second. Rashad has yet to fight an “A” fighter. I’m sorry but Brad Imes, Jason Lambert and Sean Salmon aren’t exactly the top of the food chain. Rashad might have ended Salmon with a RHK but in reality the only reason Salmon belongs anywhere near a Octagon is to wipe off the mats at the end of the day.

The only way I see Rashad giving Tito problems is by setting a frantic pace that Tito is not comfortable with. I think Tito can control the standup and if he is taken down by Rashad he can actually submit Evans. Tito has a overlooked submission game that most UFC fans have never seen.

This is a VERY interesting fight that has major implications for both fighters.

He beat Vitor Belfort in 05’

Maybe tito should be focusing half and half striking and wrestling. I think we will see evans like a diego sanchez with wrestling and striking. It would be ignorant on tito’s part not to account for Evans striking ability. and with Evans now training in Gaidojutsu with jackson its probably gonna be the best Rashad Evans we have seen. I still want Ortiz to win. I think tito has KO power he just hasnt learned how to utilize it hes more dependant on his GnP. I mean i wouldnt want to take a blast to the face from tito. And to Ortiz’s defense he has taken on some pretty tuff fighters with tuff chins. I dont think he has omniscient KO power but enuff to put someone down deffinitly. Wouldnt we be amazed Evans Ko’ed by Tito in the first lol. i mean standing of course. If Tito can bring back the punisher he was six or seven years ago and light that fire again i could see him holding the title again. But with a suspect chin and being a shell of his former self it could be a long hard road with no title at the end for Ortiz. Hope Ortiz wins and i like his smack talk gives us some more to talk about and more to disagree on lol.

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and what top a list fighters tito fought besides chuck(lost twice) randy (got spanked) he "beat"f griffen(forset won 2 alot of people) he beat tanner whos at 185 elvis who’s at 185 old ken(hes old and not randy) so who did tito beat let me know ooooo yeah he beat wandi back in the day (can’t do it again)[/quote]

 Yeah good ole forset griffen he’s quite a character and i did give him at least 1 of them rounds. Just cuz a fighter doesnt consistently fight what you consider A list fighters dont mean anything. He is still the guy that beat Wandy,Matyushenko,Shamrock,Belfort,Tanner,Kondo and all these fighters have beaten some tuff fighters. I know we havent seen the Tito of six or seven yrs ago. Your either gonna see tito become what he was 7 years or so ago or fade away into retirement. But it can never be said that he hadnt fought and beat A list fighters. and Titos not even my Fav fighter but give credit where its due

I cant wait for ortiz to be destroyed by evans. Gonna be rediculous. Especially since the first match only lasted like what 15 secs? And Evans got knocked out by a headbbutt directly on the chin when ortiz slammed him. So cheap. Rematch will be amazing!

what are you talkin about, evans an tito have never fought before!!!!!!!

If Frank Shamrock were to come into the UFC, Tito Ortiz would punish him into retirement just like Ken.
Tito is undefeated against Lion Den memembers

What does Frank have to do with the Lions Den?

He beat Vitor Belfort in 05’

o yeah thank you sir

And Ken is a top A fighter he lost to frank,I give respect were respect is due but he dosen’t give respect to anyone (maybe he does but not of lately)I’m not tito bashing or nothing like that I used to like Tito but after his sh!t wit dana it just made me mad cause he wanted the fight.so from that point i just look at his career and like ppl said the old tito would run circles around evans but this new Tito is just not the same man he used to be.

I want tito to win but usually when a fighter talks smack before a fight they end up getting ko’ed or something. But smack talking aint new for tito i guess and he has won after talking alot of smack so we have to just wait and see. Evans is more than just a speed bump but if Tito wants it bad enough he will take the win. Thats not to say if he loses he didnt want the win just a figure of speech lol

Tito iz gonna own thiz PUNK! rashad aint shit…he aint fought no1 like tito before an hez gonna get a reality check wen he stepz into tha octagon with tha huntington beach bad boy!…tito iz a veteran in thiz sprot and haz fought tha best in tha MMA world…rashad iz juz an amatuer with little winz over little punkz…hiz undefeated record iz gonna end wen tito beatz hiz ass down with hiz famous GNP…trust me rashad will show a good fight but he wont compare 2 ortiz…!!!

I agree Spida. You and I share similar beliefs with alot of what goes on in here. Ortiz is a tremendous fighter. Liddell just happens to be his Kryptonite. As for anyone else in 205 right now Ortiz can stand with them and I can see him being victorious 9 out of 10 times. We will see Liddell/Ortiz 3, and we will see Ortiz/Wandy 2. Those matches have to happen the way I see the 205 division working itself out. Shogun will be a huge fight for him. I love both these fighters. I would be on the fence if this were to go down. Which it looks like it probably will soon enough. As for 73 Ortiz will win.

 -As for anyone else in 205 right now Ortiz can stand with them and I can see him being victorious 9 out of 10 times.-

i personally think Hendo, Rampage and Shogun would knock his teeth out in one of several different ways but you never know till you see it. i think Wandy might even be able to redeem himself these days against Tito’s inflated ego. Ortiz got too high on the beating Ken Shamrock and thinking that meant anything. he needs to get back to reality, not talk all this shit and make the people who respected his good coaching on TUF respect his fighting again. because as much as i like Tito, hes gotta step it up. focus on Rashad, who by the way has a fighting chance, UFC is upset city lately. then think about gettin in the ring with the likes of Shogun who i think would tear him apart. my moneys on Rashad since Tito hasnt been impressing me too much lately either.

Classic mistake, looking past your current opponent. You’re right Jake, he’s still high on his Shamrock victories. I hope Rashad smashes him.

Yeah good ole forset griffen he’s quite a character and i did give him at least 1 of them rounds. Just cuz a fighter doesnt consistently fight what you consider A list fighters dont mean anything. He is still the guy that beat Wandy,Matyushenko,Shamrock,Belfort,Tanner,Kondo and all these fighters have beaten some tuff fighters. I know we havent seen the Tito of six or seven yrs ago. Your either gonna see tito become what he was 7 years or so ago or fade away into retirement. But it can never be said that he hadnt fought and beat A list fighters. and Titos not even my Fav fighter but give credit where its due

my thinking is that its not that tito needs to get back to what he was 7 years ago, he was dominant because his competition wasnt. now the game is excelling faster than tito can and he looks outclassed by alot of people as opposed to the other way around. much respect to tito when he doesnt talk shit , hes a good fighter, just not as good as he needs to be.

I agree Jake that could very much be the reason. I believe he has the capability to become the Champ again but deff needs to keep working. He needs more in his arsenal than the Takedown and GnP. Because alot of fighters have excellent takedown defense. And although i think Ortiz can take a punch he doesnt like it and always looks bewildered when he eats a couple. And we have seen him wilt under non stop striking. He needs to work on his striking and although he does have BJJ in his toolbox we havent seen it in a long time.With all this in mind Tito has a hard fight coming up but he deff has the tools to win. IF he thinks he is gonna outpower evans and outwrestle him i think thats gonna be the hardway to go. I still sticking with Tito to win.

I agree Jake that could very much be the reason. I believe he has the capability to become the Champ again but deff needs to keep working. He needs more in his arsenal than the Takedown and GnP. Because alot of fighters have excellent takedown defense. And although i think Ortiz can take a punch he doesnt like it and always looks bewildered when he eats a couple. And we have seen him wilt under non stop striking. He needs to work on his striking and although he does have BJJ in his toolbox we havent seen it in a long time.With all this in mind Tito has a hard fight coming up but he deff has the tools to win. IF he thinks he is gonna outpower evans and outwrestle him i think thats gonna be the hardway to go. I still sticking with Tito to win.

very well said

WTF evans has better striking than forrest who landed loads of shots on tito at ufc 59, rashad is much quicker than liddell who
put it on tito at 47, he will get OWNED when he faces a great striker with knockout power and killer instinct LIKE SHOGUN.