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UFC Quick Quote: Rampage and Buster are the same?

"It happens in this sport. Guys lose. Chuck is one of those fighters that's going to bounce back. He's a tough guy. ... You never know who's going to win. Chuck getting knocked out was the equivalent of Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson."

-- In a recent Q&A with the Minnesota StarTribune UFC President Dana White equates the loss of Chuck Liddell to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson at UFC 71 to the Buster Douglas upset of Mike Tyson in 1990 -- "Iron" Mike was a 42-1 favorite in the fight ... 42-1!

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He just…

That comment just do anyone any good. At all.

by ShatteredDreams on Jun 7, 2007 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow I dont think thats a very accurate analogy at all. But hey what do i know.

by BLOodyMEss on Jun 7, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW, that’s taking a pretty big dump on Rampage. But I’m sure he didn’t mean it quite that way. Sure it was a surprise to some, but comparing that fight to a ‘glass joe v sandman’ scenario is vile and unthinkable to most. I would hope.

by Sir Chokemout on Jun 7, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF is Dana thinking? I know he and Chuck are close, but everyone knew going into that fight that if anyone was going to beat Chuck, it was Rampage. I’m a big Chuck fan, but 30 seconds into that fight, I knew it wasn’t going to be good.

by VNDK8 on Jun 7, 2007 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Completely disagree with that statement.. Number 1 Rampage beat chuck before UFC 71..Number 2 Chuck had a few loses on his resume and Tyson didn’t. Number 3 Iron Mike in the late 80’s up until he fought Buster was one of the most scariest people I ever seen in a ring, not a Chuck. Was it an upest, to many yes. Now to compare it to Tyson losing for the first time by Buster showing the world Tyson is human..is nowhere near the conversation of Page Ko’ing Chuck.

by PhilQNY on Jun 7, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Get off chucks balls dana!!!!! Did Buster Douglas whoop Mike Tyson’s ass for 11minutes until his corner threw in the towel and THEN come back to knock him out with one punch??? Last time I checked Chuck got whooped twice and the first time it was a massacre. Dana White needs to just shut it he’s ruining Chucks credibility. Ive always been a Chuck fan, but with this new Dana White who seems to think he has the world by the balls hanging over him making excuses for him 24-7 Im actually happy Rampage won.

by Druby Sunshine on Jun 7, 2007 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh, I have been losing a lot of respect for Dana with all of these stupid ass comments.
Wasn’t Rampage actually the favorite in the betting lines again Chuck?
Not 1 person thought Douglas would win, but yet you have the heavyweight champion Randy Couture saying “Rampage Jackson WILL win” and Rampage is Buster Douglas?
They should test Dana for drugs.

by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 7, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a horrible comparison. Rampage beat Liddell before; how is it an upset when you were the victor of the last fight. The only thing that was an upset was the plans the UFC had for Chuck Liddell marketing campaigns.

I like Chuck Liddell a lot but if you look at his last fights, he has not fought any strikers. Rampage is a stronger striker than Chuck but lacks Chuck’s accuracy. Chuck is a counter striker. Which means, he usually waits for his opponents to punch first. Its difficult waiting for the right punch when you taking so many from an opponent that physically stronger than you.

I like Rampage. However, I don’t think he will hold the belt for long. He admits to not training hard and I feel he may become too “Hollywood” with all this money and publicity he is getting.

In short, Chuck was a great face for the sport and I think that is what the UFC is really upset about.

by WhoCares on Jun 7, 2007 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In terms of the media machine behind Chuck, I can see what Dana is saying but like I have stated MANY times before, anyone who is educated in MMA or combat sports in general would know that This was FAR from an upset but rather more like a Reckoning because of the fact that it was high time for Chuck to fight a man who wasn’t scared to fight back and wasn’t scared of being hit by “Super Chucks hands of stone”

I expected going into this fight for Chuck to fold faster than a Japanese Maid by the 3rd or 4th round much in the same way he folded in their first fight, the one thing I didn’t take into account was an old stat that is famous in boxing and that is when a guy KO’s an opponent the stats usually favor the guy to not only win the rematch but win it in a shorter amount of time than the first meeting.

I only mention that because Rampage isnt the one who had to make Massive adjustments where as Chuck in his mind even though he claims to not think of it, he has to have that ass whoopin in the back of his mind because it wasn’t a close beat down it was an ass whoopin in which he was screamin in pain on the ground at the body shots from Rampage. Bad hammy or not Chuck knows that was the most thorough ass beating he has taken since grade school and that made him fight more cautious than he would have against a guy like say Tito or Babalu.

by Bizarro Tommy on Jun 7, 2007 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im sorry I think Dana maybe drunk with power, I’ll admit it I was going for Chuck. But everyone and their Grandma knows that Rampage is a great fighter!

Buster Douglas was and is a nobody that came out of left field to knock out Mike Tyson. The only time people mention Buster’s name anymore is to answer the question, “Who was that guy that guy that K.Od Tyson in 1990?” Sorry Dana Rampage is far from a nobody!

I dont know what the hell Dana was thinking, maybe Tito should have fought with him it may have knocked Dana back into reality.

by MMAFAN204 on Jun 7, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whats goin on with Dana this week men! first he calls GSP out then ufcmania cant sponsor anymore, and them two that got kick out the TUF no longer fight in the season finale. What;s next for Mr. Dana.

by St. Amour on Jun 7, 2007 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So much hate for Dana White going on. Whether he is on Chucks balls or not, I would say he is the number one reason that MMA is so big right now. He is a smart guy and says everything for a reason, I would be willing to bet he said that simply to build up hype of a Chuck – Rampage III.

by Matt on Jun 7, 2007 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even being a big Liddell fan i still can’t agree with Dana. Rampage beat him twice the 1st time slow and bad the second time fast and hard. i hope Dana is simply trying to build up a rematch or he needs to sit back and have a look at what he saying. he the boss he cant start calling his champs nobody’s just makes him look bad.

by Darkness on Jun 7, 2007 11:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana is usually a smart executive and he’s done a lot of good things for MMA. However, his comparison of Jackson/Liddell 2 to Tyson/Douglas has got to be THE DUMBEST THING I’ve ever heard Dana utter. Completely ridiculous, and frankly, he knows better. It shows a lack of respect for Rampage, and implies that Chuck somehow wasn’t at “his best”. In other words, it’s excuse-making.

If Dana is going to continue as a promoter/UFC President, he needs to appear objective toward the fighters. If he can no longer do that, he ought to go back to being a manager and forego his UFC duties.

by Fred on Jun 7, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I repeat……

My buddy,
my buddy,
wherever I go,
you’re gonna go

My buddy,
my buddy,
my buddy and meeeeeeeeee!

Chuck and Dana are totally bff.

by MWA on Jun 7, 2007 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana’s analogy would make sense if he were referring to the Serra vs GSP fight & even in that instance it would still be a little off.

I’d like to punch Dana “it’s good to be” White right in his mouth for this statement. Not only is he making excuses for Chuck but he’s also discrediting his current LHW champion & that’s bad for business.

by machine on Jun 7, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man is it me or is everyone making exuses for Chuck except for Chuck himself(not referring to anyone who has blogged on this article so far obviously)..Chuck has accepted his loss I think everyone else should do the same..

by Mr.mayn on Jun 7, 2007 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i have to agree with mr.mayn, Chuck has put his hands up (bit late after getting knocked out) and said he made a mistake and got beat. It happens if there a rematch i could still see Cuck beating Rampage but untill that happens nobody can say it was a fluke Ramapge is 2-0 again Chuck. Not even Dana White can argue with that.

by Darkness on Jun 7, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Machine, you made the point about weakening the champion right before I was going to. If the boss doesn’t respect his own champ then why should anyone else? That’s no way to get your sport taken seriously. Also, if Rampage’s win as a 1.6-1 underdog win was equivalent to Douglas’ win over tyson at 42-1, then somebody would owe me a lot of cash if I had wagered on Rampage, which I didn’t because it’s illegal.

by PW on Jun 7, 2007 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I smell a free pass for Chuck back to a title shot.

by SaVaGe on Jun 7, 2007 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I smell a free pass for Chuck back to a title shot.

if wandy is a free pass…i dont know what i guy has to do to earn his shot…

by MMA Dude on Jun 7, 2007 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bizarre, what a strange comparison. Cant see it whatsoever. Rampage kicked his ass convincingly in there first fight, no lucky punch, he dominated him….whatever. I think Dana is trying to be contraversial on purpose, he knows what hes doing, hes ALL about ratings, I know hes smart and doesnt really believe in the comparison, its like comparing and elephant to a dog. 42-1 odds vs 1.6-1………night and day.

by nathan on Jun 7, 2007 11:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I only mention that because Rampage isnt the one who had to make Massive adjustments where as Chuck in his mind even though he claims to not think of it, he has to have that ass whoopin in the back of his mind because it wasn’t a close beat down it was an ass whoopin in which he was screamin in pain on the ground at the body shots from Rampage. Bad hammy or not Chuck knows that was the most thorough ass beating he has taken since grade school and that made him fight more cautious than he would have against a guy like say Tito or Babalu.

Exactly, I think the reason the fight lasted longer the first time is because chuck’s approach to Rampage the first time was less hesitant and more agressive which is his specialty..
The bottom line is you train and train and in the end your objective is to make your opponent fight your fight..which is not what chuck did…

by Mr.mayn on Jun 7, 2007 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And now, does everyone still think Tito is the a-hole? Or that Chuck is not the puppet?

by muto on Jun 7, 2007 12:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana got UFC on the map but does anyone think he is starting to hurt it more and more lately?

by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...? on Jun 7, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think what Dana is doing is just trying to some how try and sale a 3rd fight. Everyone who know’s MMA pride, k-1, UFC, KOTG and all the others out there. know this was no upset. with that said. Dana knows if he sales that this was a upset he can make BIG!! BIG!! $$$ of the re-match. but like rampage said on ESPN. “That was the rematch!” all the TUF mma fans had no idea or new MMA fans that chuck was whooped before. I had to explaine it about 15 times to new MMA fans. so Dana is just doing his thing! Trying to make $$$$!

by sac916 on Jun 7, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh, I have been losing a lot of respect for Dana with all of these stupid ass comments.
Wasn’t Rampage actually the favorite in the betting lines again Chuck?
Not 1 person thought Douglas would win, but yet you have the heavyweight champion Randy Couture saying “Rampage Jackson WILL win” and Rampage is Buster Douglas?
They should test Dana for drugs.

Chuck was the favorite. My book closed at CL -200 and Rampage 160.

by muto on Jun 7, 2007 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I smell a free pass for Chuck back to a title shot.

F!ck I have a hard time shutting up about this! Liddell deserves another shot at Rampage about as much as Tito deserves one against Chuck or Shamrock against Tito.

The audacity to come out and say that about your champion is undercutting your business. He is coming out and telling the new fans that the champion in the LW division is a farce. So buyer beware on the next PPV because this LW champion is a joke.

Dana is starting to = Vince McMahon, wanting all the air time. I am becoming less and less a fan of Dana.

by muto on Jun 7, 2007 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whats goin on with Dana this week men! first he calls GSP out then ufcmania cant sponsor anymore, and them two that got kick out the TUF no longer fight in the season finale. What;s next for Mr. Dana.

Dana really needs to suck a fat one. Like I said in my comment under the disallowing of Fitch’s sponsorship, I used to really like Dana White, but over the last couple months he is really making comments that rub people the wrong way. And these are just random people, these are fans of the UFC, the people that put money into his undeserving pockets. I know that MMA would not be anywhere close to where it is today without Dana, but come on, he has to get his mouth out from around Chuck’s balls. I mean his mouth couldn’t even fit around Rampage’s balls. Seeing that it seems that Rampage can defeat Chuck anytime, anywhere, anyhow they fight. Let that sink in Dana, Chuck is not unbeatable. Rampage owns him.

The sport is bigger than ever, and Dana is basically the figurehead of the sport. How does he make any sense of dissing his champion? He is saying that it was a lucky punch by Rampage. He knows this isn’t true. Dana do you remember thier PRIDE fight in 2003. The funniest part of that fight, even ahead of Chuck whining from body shots, was hearing Dana as an announcer. He was hyping up Chuck so much prefight, and then Rampage just shut him up. You could literally hear his tears during the telecast. Boo hoo. Rampage made both of you cry.

41 to 1 and 1.6 to 1. How is that even close. Who taught him how to do math, Dexter Manley?

Dana and his fondness of Chuck, Hughes and Franklin makes me sick. These aren’t the only 3 people that can market MMA. In fact, in about 2 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if all 3 of those fighters were just an afterthought, no where to be found in the upper echelon of the sport.

by ViolentMike on Jun 7, 2007 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While this was a bad analogy for Dana to use I think he is just trying to hype up this sport and his company. Must be dump on Dana day here in ufc land.

by Tommy on Jun 7, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chuck was the favorite. My book closed at CL -200 and Rampage 160.

He wasn’t a 42-1 underdog though, and Dana just made it out that Rampage had NO chance.

by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...? on Jun 7, 2007 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even though Like Mike I beat Chuck can head line his next event with no belt and still sell it out.

by Tommy on Jun 7, 2007 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana is all pissed of because he booked Chuck on Letterman months in advance because he was so sure Chuck would win. Did you see Chuck and Dana on punked? They are like best buds so what would you expect.

by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...? on Jun 7, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Two words; MAN CRUSH. Dana has it bad for Chuck. That’s the only reasonable answer. Why, oh why, would he be so disrespectful to the current champ. First GSP, then Rampage, next it will be Franklin. I have to believe that Dana was on Nyquil that day, because this is a little pro-wrestling.

by Freddy on Jun 7, 2007 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a dumbass comment by Dana! Rampage was top 10 LHW in the world by any ranking you could find.

It would be like Tyson/Douglas if Dana knocked out Chuck….

by cmon on Jun 7, 2007 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

41 to 1 and 1.6 to 1. How is that even close. Who taught him how to do math, Dexter Manley?

I can’t stop laughing at that.

by PW on Jun 7, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interpeurtation-
My puppet will be back as the LHW champion…

by Luppers on Jun 7, 2007 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anything comes out of Dana White make little sense if any at all. How in hell did he ever made it this far is beyond me. The dude has no charisma, is a average human being at best….

Dana, here the tip for you. Stop talking and you’ll look a lot smarter. you’re killing me….

by LUKE on Jun 7, 2007 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana is pretty smart actually guys, he’s probably just cranky lately cause he’s not getting any…

by BLOodyMEss on Jun 7, 2007 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana and his fondness of Chuck, Hughes and Franklin makes me sick. These aren’t the only 3 people that can market MMA. In fact, in about 2 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if all 3 of those fighters were just an afterthought, no where to be found in the upper echelon of the sport.

Very true but like I have said many times. Dana went to the Vince McMahon school of marketing and in that school it dictates that its better to promote and market guys who “YOU CREATED” rather than guys who can exsist with a name outside of your help. Vince tried NUMEROUS times to bury a guy like Rob Van Damn who along with Sabu are/were the face of extreme wrestling and in turn Vince likes to promote guys like John Cena or The Rock and Stone Cold, people who he had a hand in creating the Character for. Thats why the nWo failed in WWE because Vince didn’t create that and thus couldn’t see himself allowing it to really florish and dominate in WWE the way it did in WCW.

Dana is no different, he created Matt Hughes much in the same way he Created Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell and Rich Franklin, only when the question of is Pride fighters better than UFC fighters started to pick up steam did Dana feel the need to try and disprove it, you saw how mad Dana was when Anderson Silva beat Rich Franklin, Dana didn’t even try to really congratulate him till the press conference, and afterwards he bashed Silva for a boring title defense because in the first defense Silva chose to use his BJJ more than his stand up. Ditto for GSP where Dana built Hughes up to the the greatest Welterweight in the WORLD and the best welterweight of all time and thru prudent match making culminating with a match up against Royce Gracie they sought to cement that created legacy but when put in the ring with a serious striker who also had some good ground game GSP exposed Hughes for being a one trick poney much in the same way that Penn kinda exposed Hughes in BOTH of their matches and had Penn not gassed out (later finding out he tore muscle from a rib) in their rematch he would have probably finished Hughes as he almost did in the first round.

Dana did the same thing with Tito when he matched up Tito agaisnt Ken Shamrock and dubbed it the Changing of the Guard from Old Era of UFC to the new era of MMA/UFC and hyped it up, I think anyone with half a brain new that was a glorified mismatch and Ken later would admit that not only in their first match did he had torn knee cartiledge but that he also consulted Dana bout postponing the fight and Dana was like “Oh Ken I really need this for the company we cant postpone it so much promotion has gone into it and we really need you to go thru with it.” Which in lamons terms was Dana’s way of saying jus go in there and do the job so we can propell this sport further since Tito (at the time) was the face of UFC.

Dana White is the MMA Vince McMahon but thats not a bad thing because if Dana can be half as smart as Vince, he will make UFC mega famous and become mega rich in the process

by Bizarro Tommy on Jun 7, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very true but like I have said many times. Dana went to the Vince McMahon school of marketing and in that school it dictates that its better to promote and market guys who “YOU CREATED” rather than guys who can exsist with a name outside of your help. Dana White is the MMA Vince McMahon but thats not a bad thing because if Dana can be half as smart as Vince, he will make UFC mega famous and become mega rich in the process

If the UFC starts becoming more and more like wrestling, I am out. PERIOD.

by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...? on Jun 7, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dana went to the Vince McMahon school of marketing and in that school it dictates that its better to promote and market guys who “YOU CREATED” rather than guys who can exsist with a name outside of your help.

Very true. I really hope that Dana will realize a thing or two, and really slow his role. He acts as if he IS mma. And that mma wouldn’t, and can’t exist without him.

by ViolentMike on Jun 7, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Iron Mike was the heavyweight champion of the WORLD. No doubt Chuck is a top-tier fighter but there were three guys in Pride: Wandi, Shogun, and of course Rampage, who were on his level if not better while he went on his tear. Not the case while Tyson was instilling fear into everyone in boxing. Recent events have shown me that the UFC was a bit underrated pre-“merger” but anyone who thinks that UFC’s light-heavies could fuck with Pride’s don’t know shit. Just because the UFC was the most accessible promotion to the American fanbase doesn’t make their champ, Chuck, the best in the world.

by Steamboat on Jun 7, 2007 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chuck was due a loss in that fight and like all my predictions say I couldnt see Chuck winning that fight full stop,not because I think Rampage is better than Chuck but because of the timing of the fight.
Chuck was just getting way too comfortable at the top and that showed when he threw a bodyshot as his opening punch,if he had had the rematch with Rampage as his first title defense then I think the outcome would of been very different.
Confidence either too much or lack of is a constant battle for every fighter and very few have total control in that area.
Chuck believed his hands were unbeatable and all Rampage had to do to win was have a boxing match with Chuck coz Chuck is no boxer.
For Chuck to beat Rampage he would have to realy mix things up and try somthing different to his usual style,throw alot of kicks and get Rampage guessing,unfortunatly he trusted in his usual style too much and payed for it,but you cant blame him,it would be very hard not to get over confident if you had been on a roll like Chuck.

by mcanena on Jun 7, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well… shows you what Dana really thinks of rampage

by Jorgito on Jun 7, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just because the UFC was the most accessible promotion to the American fanbase doesn’t make their champ, Chuck, the best in the world

amen

by machine on Jun 7, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

41 to 1 and 1.6 to 1. How is that even close. Who taught him how to do math, Dexter Manley?
I can’t stop laughing at that.

Thanks, I was cracking up at my desk at work when I wrote it too.

Did anyone click on the link to the whole article in the Star Tribune? Did you see the picture of Dana? I never knew that he supplied pictures of himself from 1989 for newspapers to use. I mean c’mon; you’re bald, face the facts. Giving a newspaper a 15 year old picture ain’t changing the fact that you lost your hair. I am not dissing bald people here by any means. Bald men can be sexy I hear. Not sure who that comes from but…

by ViolentMike on Jun 7, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, I was cracking up at my desk at work when I wrote it too.

Did anyone click on the link to the whole article in the Star Tribune? Did you see the picture of Dana? I never knew that he supplied pictures of himself from 1989 for newspapers to use. I mean c’mon; you’re bald, face the facts. Giving a newspaper a 15 year old picture ain’t changing the fact that you lost your hair. I am not dissing bald people here by any means. Bald men can be sexy I hear. Not sure who that comes from but…


Not that there’s anything wrong with that . . .

by PW on Jun 7, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not that there’s anything wrong with that . . .

LOL, gotta love Seinfeld!

by ViolentMike on Jun 7, 2007 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

are Dana and Chuck remind me of that movie BRoke Back Mountian they sure do love each other

by jimmy on Jun 7, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If the UFC starts becoming more and more like wrestling, I am out. PERIOD.

I with you man..I watch mma because i love fighting..not because it “marketed well”…I know Dana is the owner and face of UFC..but..the best thing for him to do in my opinion would be to act fuckin proffesional and maintain a neutral position when it comes to ufc fighters..

by Mr.mayn on Jun 7, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Dana just lost his original investment

by Stafo on Jun 7, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Dana just lost his original investment

I agree

Rampage isn’t nearly as likely to listen to Dana as well as Chuck did.

Also, I’m sure Dana has to say something to all the casual MMA fans who are scratching their heads as to why Chuck got smoked so quick when the UFC was promoting Chuck like the second coming of Fedor.

I’m sure the casual fans are questioning why the UFC’s champs have taken a beating lately from underdogs.

by Frizz on Jun 7, 2007 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I with you man..I watch mma because i love fighting..not because it “marketed well”…I know Dana is the owner and face of UFC..but..the best thing for him to do in my opinion would be to act fuckin proffesional and maintain a neutral position when it comes to ufc fighters..


Nuetral. Exactly. I think that is Dana’s biggest flaw. He is not as nearly as nueatral as could be.

by The Anomaly on Jun 7, 2007 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can’t stand the way fights are being made…especially title fights. A champion should get a rematch…or at least #1 contender and then rematch.
The contenders are doing very little to get title shots and the defeated champion gets squat. It seems like the loss automatically guarantees a 3-5 ranking.

Sylvia doesn’t against Couture.
Liddell doesn’t against Rampage.
Franklin doesn’t against Spider.
Hughes doesn’t against GSP.
GSP doesn’t against Serra.

At least the UFC is being consistent. The only one that makes some kind of sense is Liddell since he has already lost to Rampage twice. Dana backs up that thought process in this interview the day after UFC 71.

http://mmamania.com/2007/05/27/video-ufc-71-coverage-of-liddell-jackson-on-espn/

Still, I would rather see every champ get a rematch. Am I the only one that has a problem with the way Silva and Dana make fights? This doesn’t even address an automatic title fight upon entering the UFC (Hendo..yes I know he holds 2 PrideFC belts BFD) or coming out of retirement (Couture). If Chuck gets an easy path back or if Dana keeps minimizing the Rampage win, we might soon realize that Dana learned a bit too much from boxing.

by SaVaGe on Jun 7, 2007 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While this was a bad analogy for Dana to use I think he is just trying to hype up this sport and his company. Must be dump on Dana day here in ufc land.

Hey whats up? I think that in some cases Dana causes this himself by trying to be a tough guy on and off camera. Dana is a business man, and he slowly is growing into the Vince of MMA. While I do not think he will ever become as fake as Vince acts, I do think that more and more, he is nothing more then a cut throat Promoter. (oh and by the way, I do not watch that fake ass wrestling, I grew up with WWE fanatic in my DAD, I personally I not watched since moving from his home)

Later
Chris Valentine

by Chris Valentine on Jun 7, 2007 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey whats up? I think that in some cases Dana causes this himself by trying to be a tough guy on and off camera. Dana is a business man, and he slowly is growing into the Vince of MMA. While I do not think he will ever become as fake as Vince acts, I do think that more and more, he is nothing more then a cut throat Promoter. (oh and by the way, I do not watch that fake ass wrestling, I grew up with WWE fanatic in my DAD, I personally I not watched since moving from his home)

Later
Chris Valentine


IT’s chill dude, were all friends here, did you see Kevin Nash on TNT Impact the other night? ; ) hahaha.

by The Anomaly on Jun 7, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe some dirty hacker hacked Dana White’s brain and vocal cords and made him say stupid things.

You never know nowadays, do you.

by ShatteredDreams on Jun 7, 2007 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Talk about getting kicked in tha balls. Rampage won that fight not only was it not a fluke he don it twice so i wouldn’t compare the to.

by jason bang on Jun 7, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rampage is good and won fair n square
i can tell you he wont hold the belt for long though
and its not chuck he needs be looking out for

rashad evens is going do some black on black crime to the fool

by wendell on Jun 7, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If the UFC starts becoming more and more like wrestling, I am out. PERIOD.

    I with you man..I watch mma because i love fighting..not because it “marketed well”…I know Dana is the owner and face of UFC..but..the best thing for him to do in my opinion would be to act fuckin proffesional and maintain a neutral position when it comes to ufc fighters..

Nuetral. Exactly. I think that is Dana’s biggest flaw. He is not as nearly as nueatral as could be.

Anomaly, do you really agree or were you being sarcastic..

by Mr. mayn on Jun 7, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rashad evens is going do some black on black crime to the fool


ha! that’s stoopid funny!!

by Mamas Boy on Jun 7, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey whats up? I think that in some cases Dana causes this himself by trying to be a tough guy on and off camera. Dana is a business man, and he slowly is growing into the Vince of MMA. While I do not think he will ever become as fake as Vince acts, I do think that more and more, he is nothing more then a cut throat Promoter. (oh and by the way, I do not watch that fake ass wrestling, I grew up with WWE fanatic in my DAD, I personally I not watched since moving from his home)

Later
Chris Valentine


I think Dana is just being himself and doing the best he can. What his pencil shouldn’t need an eraser? We are all human and make mistakes sometimes. Especially under the pressure of a camera mic repoter or whatever and trying to promote his company. All I hear of Dana here is bash this and scam artist that and shady promoter whatever. Everyone that can do a better job, show me. Come on in the waters fine. At least everyone didn’t bag and hate on Vince all the time, they called him a genious, at least my dad did. Lets see….the fights we have been crying about seeing for years are finally coming together, why? and have we stopped to take a minute and appriciate it? No way man lets find the negative and bash Dana for it. What’s up is I don’t bandwagon everything I hear. Whatever, I learned a saying years ago and it rings true here…A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

by Tommy on Jun 7, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe in some way he is trying to show a little love towards Chuck and it didn’t come out right. In that interview (link above) he’s talking about Chuck needing to win some fights and prove himself and maybe he’ll never get a shot at Rampage again. He probably got a ton of sh1t over that (he did from me) so he steps in another pile of sh1t and trashes Rampage.
We probably wouldn’t be jumpin on statements so much if UFC 72 gave us something to talk about. So it’s White’s own damn fault.

by Mamas Boy on Jun 7, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Dana is just being himself and doing the best he can. What his pencil shouldn’t need an eraser? We are all human and make mistakes sometimes. Especially under the pressure of a camera mic repoter or whatever and trying to promote his company. All I hear of Dana here is bash this and scam artist that and shady promoter whatever. Everyone that can do a better job, show me. Come on in the waters fine. At least everyone didn’t bag and hate on Vince all the time, they called him a genious, at least my dad did. Lets see….the fights we have been crying about seeing for years are finally coming together, why? and have we stopped to take a minute and appriciate it? No way man lets find the negative and bash Dana for it. What’s up is I don’t bandwagon everything I hear. Whatever, I learned a saying years ago and it rings true here…A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

I am not trying to Bash Dana, but at times I think he comes across like a jerk. He is genius just as you said your DAD called Vince. All I was tying to say is that he is giving the viewers that idea.

Later
Chris Valentine

by Chris Valentine on Jun 7, 2007 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IT’s chill dude, were all friends here, did you see Kevin Nash on TNT Impact the other night? ; ) hahaha.

D SpiLLa- I would so love to just say, “oh yeah I love wrestling” but to be honest I hate it. My dad used to have my mother record it on the old VCR, at a time where you had to watch the show you were recording. So unfortunatly we had to watch it then, and then again when he got home, and if he fell asleep he would rewind the shit to watch what he missed. So I am a have a strong opinion in that I hate Wrestling so much I don’t even want it on my Tv. Oh and yeah were all friends here, as in another post, there is a whole lot of MMA Man love on here.

Later
Chris Valentine

by Chris Valentine on Jun 8, 2007 12:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well basicly Rampage is just to ghetto for Dana"I LUV 2 B"White.Hate to say it but still like Chuck but he was Dana puppet.And when Rampage won the strings got cut off and chains was put up in place of the strings and thats not that easy to control.back to the stupid comment how the hell like the most of you cool motherf^cker$ on this site said HE BEAT HIM BEFORE BUSTER DIDN’T BEAT TYSON BEFORE NO NO NO HE DIDN’T!

by cheeks420 on Jun 8, 2007 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very true but like I have said many times. Dana went to the Vince McMahon school of marketing and in that school it dictates that its better to promote and market guys who “YOU CREATED” rather than guys who can exsist with a name outside of your help. Vince tried NUMEROUS times to bury a guy like Rob Van Damn who along with Sabu are/were the face of extreme wrestling and in turn Vince likes to promote guys like John Cena or The Rock and Stone Cold, people who he had a hand in creating the Character for. Thats why the nWo failed in WWE because Vince didn’t create that and thus couldn’t see himself allowing it to really florish and dominate in WWE the way it did in WCW.

Dana is no different, he created Matt Hughes much in the same way he Created Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell and Rich Franklin, only when the question of is Pride fighters better than UFC fighters started to pick up steam did Dana feel the need to try and disprove it, you saw how mad Dana was when Anderson Silva beat Rich Franklin, Dana didn’t even try to really congratulate him till the press conference, and afterwards he bashed Silva for a boring title defense because in the first defense Silva chose to use his BJJ more than his stand up. Ditto for GSP where Dana built Hughes up to the the greatest Welterweight in the WORLD and the best welterweight of all time and thru prudent match making culminating with a match up against Royce Gracie they sought to cement that created legacy but when put in the ring with a serious striker who also had some good ground game GSP exposed Hughes for being a one trick poney much in the same way that Penn kinda exposed Hughes in BOTH of their matches and had Penn not gassed out (later finding out he tore muscle from a rib) in their rematch he would have probably finished Hughes as he almost did in the first round.

Dana did the same thing with Tito when he matched up Tito agaisnt Ken Shamrock and dubbed it the Changing of the Guard from Old Era of UFC to the new era of MMA/UFC and hyped it up, I think anyone with half a brain new that was a glorified mismatch and Ken later would admit that not only in their first match did he had torn knee cartiledge but that he also consulted Dana bout postponing the fight and Dana was like “Oh Ken I really need this for the company we cant postpone it so much promotion has gone into it and we really need you to go thru with it.”

Which in lamons terms was Dana’s way of saying jus go in there and do the job so we can propell this sport further since Tito (at the time) was the face of UFC.

Dana White is the MMA Vince McMahon but thats not a bad thing because if Dana can be half as smart as Vince, he will make UFC mega famous and become mega rich in the process


Not to mention that he set up Rampage to lose this bout, since Rampage was rusty and had himself said that he needed a few warmups to get ready for Chuck. That must have been music to Dana’s ears. He then railroaded Rampage into the title fight early; and we wonder why Rampage says he has no respect for the title. Rampage said at the post-fight presser that if he had had more fights in the UFC to build himself up with a following and make his skills what they could be, he’d have been crying and rolling on the floor with joy. I believe he sees what I see, that Dana White is making the title belts into a sham.

Why do you think Dana White keeps saying he doesn’t like tournaments, despite the fact that TUF is a tournament? Because he can’t control the outcomes of those tournaments. Remember when Wandy lost to Arona in the MWGP. Dana hates that type of thing. He cares less about the competition of the sport and more about the promotion.

Right now, as the sport is trying to build a sponsorship, it needs Dana White to build up it’s popularity and get it on tv and on sportstickers. But if it wants to stay on ESPN ten years from now then Dana cannot be the face of the sport because sooner or later the sports guys at ESPN are going to start becoming educated enough about the sport to see through his smoke and mirrors.

by unak78 on Jun 9, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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