UFC Quick Quote: White questions St. Pierre's 'mental ability to fight'

"After watching that Matt Serra fight, I question Georges St. Pierre's mental ability to fight. This kid was so nervous to fight Matt Serra, it was blowing my mind. I think that Georges St. Pierre needs to work on his mental game."
-- UFC President Dana White tells the Houston Chronicle that former UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre -- who is perhaps one of the top mixed martial artists on the planet -- needs to work on his mental toughness (his physical gifts are unquestionable.) St. Pierre was a heavy favorite to defeat Matt Serra at UFC 69 in April, but he lost the fight via a first round technical knockout.
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Like Matt Serra said " He’s a mental midget " which makes him and Serra equal, cause Serra is a phsyical one. Before thefight wit Serra GSP looked shook..He lost the fight in his own head..before he even entered the Octagon.
by PhilQNY on Jun 4, 2007 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m just a little baffled about the statement … is it even possible to work on “your mental game?” It seems like you either have it or you don’t. St. Pierre should have had all the confidnece in the world going into that fight after the insane run he went on through the division.
by UFCmania on Jun 4, 2007 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think GSP may need some Yoga classes, read the Art of War, something..maybe it was his own ego that screwed him up for that fight. He beat the seemingly unbeatable Hughes and Serra beat the seemingly inbeatable GSP..go figure.
by PhilQNY on Jun 4, 2007 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatever Dana White says is irrelevant.
by Pride Never Dies on Jun 4, 2007 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mania, it is possible to work on ur mental game. it mite sound bad, but u really need to think ur the shit and that no one can beat u. a fighter cant be thinking “what if i lose” “how are people goin to think of me”. u cant do that, ur goin to kill urself. the fighter really has to be cocky and confident, even if ur not as good as ur oppoent.. respect him but u have to be thinking im goin to win and theres no way im losing.
by longislandguy on Jun 4, 2007 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldnt agree with Dana anymore…. GSP has had a lot of problems with injury, which really questions his desire to get into the ring. Guy is a great fighter when he is well applied, but we’ve seen him not apply it… sometimes even still win.
(waits for the huge wave from all the ‘GSP is God’ MMA fans…)
by Luppers on Jun 4, 2007 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tommorows news: Matt Hughes vs Matt Serra, sry GSP go work on your mental game, have fun playing chess.
by DirtyML on Jun 4, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the fighter really has to be cocky and confident, even if ur not as good as ur oppoent.. respect him but u have to be thinking im goin to win and theres no way im losing.
Matt Hughes, B.J. Penn, Sean Sherk, Frank Trigg, Karo Parisyan, Jason Miller and more … shouldn’t he be confident?
by UFCmania on Jun 4, 2007 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad Dana agrees with me. Where are all the GSP defenders jumping his shit for saying the same thing I did?
by MoreThanUFC on Jun 4, 2007 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i def agree that he should be .. but hes always thinking “what if?”.. i dont know why he thinks that.. some people are just weak mentally.
by longislandguy on Jun 4, 2007 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
White should stfu.. Bashing one of the best fighters to enter the octagon in UFC history serves no purpose. If he is concerned about GSP’s mental toughness then telling the media he think GSP has weak won’t help the cause.
In any case… It takes a boat load of mental toughness to make it to where he has.. including the punishing comeback he made against BJ Pen.
What really is happening here is i think GSP is a bit more honest and open than other fighters. So he will open up more about what he is thinking.. But trust me… those same exact thoughts go through every fighters mind before they enter the octagon.
Dana is really doing a disservice to GSP, GSP fans and the UFC.
by Likwid on Jun 4, 2007 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
like mania said….he has proven hes not a mental midget, he dominated hughes, after hughes was the only guy to beat him, he rolled trigg, after trigg questioned his fighting ability, he dominated Karo when karo was supposed to win. it was just a bad night, maybe it was a mental thing that night, but he hasnt always been like that and wont always be…..so is serra a mental giant all the sudden..now that he was in a house full of has been fighters and was the “leader” and has one upset victory, in a career where this is his only uspest, he’s lossed every fight he was supposed to lose, and won everyfight he was supposed to win…with the eception of a spinning backfist…did that make him mentally weak? if so, he apparently came back from it, i believe gsp will too
by MMA Dude on Jun 4, 2007 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hows he mentally not tough enough ?
He lost the first round to BJ and came back to nick a close decision
He tore Frank Trigg apart, when Trigg was at the top of his game
He lost his first fight to Hughes ( As he admitted his hero ) , And battered him in the second fight…..
He had a bad day at the office … Anyone saying Chuck not tough enough after losing to Rampage …NO
GSP is the dogs and he will be back to take off Hughes ( When he beats Serra for the title), what he won in such overwhelming fashion…….
by BISBINGisaMIDDLEweight.. on Jun 4, 2007 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that St. Pierre has the mental toughness. I just think that he wasn’t prepared for the Serra fight because he was too confident and then when it came fight day he psyched himself out…Nothing more. Dana White saying what he said could be perceived as a motivation…It’s like calling out your best player on your team after a loss. This is where the truly good come out. Hopefully GSP responds to the bell…I think he will, I’m a big GSP fan. I think if he wins against Kos it will help. If you ask me, there’s a lot of pressure on GSP for that fight because if he loses (Which he won’t)…Where the hell will he stand then?
by shadyone33 on Jun 4, 2007 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
..There is difference between Chuck losing to Rampage and GSP losing to Serra..Chuck wasn’t confident and GSP was over confident. Gep ‘s res is crazy he just didn’t show up for work at UFC 69..and got touched up by BJJ guy..that’s MMA for ya..
by PhilQNY on Jun 4, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that St. Pierre has the mental toughness. I just think that he wasn’t prepared for the Serra fight because he was too confident and then when it came fight day he psyched himself out…Nothing more. Dana White saying what he said could be perceived as a motivation…It’s like calling out your best player on your team after a loss. This is where the truly good come out. Hopefully GSP responds to the bell…I think he will, I’m a big GSP fan. I think if he wins against Kos it will help. If you ask me, there’s a lot of pressure on GSP for that fight because if he loses (Which he won’t)…Where the hell will he stand then?
I think your right about GSP needing to use this to prove white wrong and come out on top. I for one cannot wait for UFC 74.. I think it will be the best UFC so far this year.
Hopfully GSP destroy’s Kos.
by Likwid on Jun 4, 2007 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s what I see. White sees GSP as a HUGE marketable champ, but maybe he needs a little K.I.T.A. (Kick In The Ass), so he makes a little comment in the press. I think that he’s just trying a little tough love with GSP because he doesn’t want to see GSP fail. He wants GSP to succeed because there is a lot of $‘s to be made with a guy like GSP. Most women I know watch UFC when GSP is around. White’s not a stupid guy, I beleive that almost everything that he says in the press is calculated to generate a sound bite or to motivate a fighter to promote the UFC. After all, that’s what White has done, very successfully, over the past few years.
by Freddy on Jun 4, 2007 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if gsp wasnt mentally tough, he would have never gotten out of the 1st round with BJ..let alone come back to win…..
by MMA Dude on Jun 4, 2007 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, GSP IS GOD!
Whatever Dana White says is irrelevant.Rofl, Pride lover, GSP lover, or UFC hater? Pick two..
You know what this means? Dana is not going to give GSP another title fight anytime soon, he is gonna have to go on a winning streak to make that happen. With the number of fights he has a year, he might get another title fight by 2012.
by Luppers on Jun 4, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if gsp wasnt mentally tough, he would have never gotten out of the 1st round with BJ..let alone come back to win…..
QFT
by Likwid on Jun 4, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP is Canadian, so his mental abilities might not be THAT good.
ZING!
Just Kidding, I just dont think that he was prepared for his fight against Serra, I think that he was expecting Serra to shoot and he did not. Is Matt Hughes not mentally tough because he lost and now he looks like a complete Dick more and more everytime he is seen?
Dana with all due respect, You don’t have to vocalize your voice on everything in UFC, you are the part owner let the fighters fight and you stick to the Ultimate Fighter.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 4, 2007 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To me mental toughness will be decided in his comeback. To say he is weak now is to forget how young and nieve to the world he is. He does still live with his parents after all. He has alot of time to grow and mature and has all the physical tools needed to win. I’ll wait and see before I pass such a harsh judgement.
by Tommy on Jun 4, 2007 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow a lot of great points on this page, I agree with most posts. Gsp was under enormous pressure like Randy Couture said, one of his fights he was “expected” to destroy his opponent, thats a hell of a lot of pressure especially when he knew he didn’t train like he wanted to. Gsp is young and White should relax the kid is only 26 let him mature a little. He obviously is ahead physically compared to his mental prowess but usually the mental part comes with age and experience. When Gsp is confident and relaxed he performs extremely well and should do well against Koscheck, hes had his best performances against wrestlers(hughes,trigg,sherk). Koscheck is a great wrestler but in my opinion he hasn’t been really tested I cant think of one good wrestler he fought. Liddel did very well against a bunch of grapplers and hasn’t fought a good striker in years, Rampage exposed him. Gsp doesnt live with his parents anymore, he recently bought a house, a step in the right direction to becoming the mature professional I know he’ll become.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s what I see. White sees GSP as a HUGE marketable champ, but maybe he needs a little K.I.T.A. (Kick In The Ass), so he makes a little comment in the press. I think that he’s just trying a little tough love with GSP because he doesn’t want to see GSP fail. He wants GSP to succeed because there is a lot of $‘s to be made with a guy like GSP. Most women I know watch UFC when GSP is around. White’s not a stupid guy, I beleive that almost everything that he says in the press is calculated to generate a sound bite or to motivate a fighter to promote the UFC. After all, that’s what White has done, very successfully, over the past few years.
There’s probably some truth to this. I’m sure the UFC would love to have a long-standing champion in any division, as that’s easier to market—and if they think that person should or could be GSP at 170, then this makes sense (and he clearly has all of the tools to do so, even in a stacked weight class).
I think the Serra fight showed that it’s a lot easier to be the underdog than the favorite. GSP was unbelievable after his loss to Hughes; he was (to parrot an old phrase) climbing the mountain. However staying at the top of the mountain is much different than climbing it, and I think GSP didn’t have the mental aspect of being a champion in his toolbox going into the Serra fight.
I think GSP will go on another tear through the 170 division (as I said before, it’s easier to climb the mountain; particularly if you’re viewed by some people as an underdog, even if it’s only because of your “mental game”), but personally I think the true test of his metal will be if he re-captures the title, can he hold on to it?
by E on Jun 4, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Hughes, B.J. Penn, Sean Sherk, Frank Trigg, Karo Parisyan, Jason Miller and more … shouldn’t he be confident?
Nuff said.PERIOD. End the blog.
by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...? on Jun 4, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kos wont be a pushover so GSP could have troubles, especially if Kos sticks to his takedowns and keeps GSP against the fence!
by BLOodyMEss on Jun 4, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was he scarred of MAtt Serra or is that just dana opinion???seriously i doubt it but mayn i hope that shit aint true..
by Mr. mayn on Jun 4, 2007 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kos wont be a pushover so GSP could have troubles, especially if Kos sticks to his takedowns and keeps GSP against the fence!
Your Omitting the fact that GSP is really hard to take down.
by Likwid on Jun 4, 2007 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your Omitting the fact that GSP is really hard to take down.
Your not considering that Kos is good at takedowns, probably better than hughes or who ever Gsp has fought
by BLOodyMEss on Jun 4, 2007 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
like mania said….he has proven hes not a mental midget, he dominated hughes, after hughes was the only guy to beat him, he rolled trigg, after trigg questioned his fighting ability, he dominated Karo when karo was supposed to win. it was just a bad night, maybe it was a mental thing that night, but he hasnt always been like that and wont always be…..so is serra a mental giant all the sudden..now that he was in a house full of has been fighters and was the “leader” and has one upset victory, in a career where this is his only uspest, he’s lossed every fight he was supposed to lose, and won everyfight he was supposed to win…with the eception of a spinning backfist…did that make him mentally weak? if so, he apparently came back from it, i believe gsp will too
MMA Dude, although I always read your posts,I dont always agree but on this one you are dead on.
by machine on Jun 4, 2007 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kos wont be a pushover so GSP could have troubles, especially if Kos sticks to his takedowns and keeps GSP against the fence!
I’m an admitted Kos fan so much so that I believe he will hold the belt sometime in his career. Unfortunately, Kos brings nothing to the table that GSP hasnt already faced & defeated in Hughes, Sherk, Trigg & BJ. The aformentioned are hands down better, more seasoned fighters. If his loss to Serra did not destroy him, GSP will give KOS his 2nd professional loss.
by machine on Jun 4, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your not considering that Kos is good at takedowns, probably better than hughes or who ever Gsp has fought
Koschecks takedowns look fantastic against strikers or submissionists hes never faced a hughes,sherk or trigg level of wrestler yet. Koscheck uses very telegraphed take downs right out in the open, I think they’ll be easy to stuff for Gsp. This is mma not a wrestling match, Gsp confused Sherk and took him down at will, catching leg kicks, shooting when he thought he would strike. Trigg was a very accomplished wrestler too and look what happened, not the same rules for wrestling. Koscheck may very well be the best wrestler Gsp has to face but a couple of head kicks when koscheck goes in for the shoot may neutralize him. Gsp also has unreal balance and as good as Koscheck is I think he’ll have a hard time getting Gsp down.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m an admitted Kos fan so much so that I believe he will hold the belt sometime in his career. Unfortunately, Kos brings nothing to the table that GSP hasnt already faced & defeated in Hughes, Sherk, Trigg & BJ. The aformentioned are hands down better, more seasoned fighters. If his loss to Serra did not destroy him, GSP will give KOS his 2nd professional loss.
I totally agree especially with hughes,trigg,sherk and penn being better fighters than Koshcheck. Koscheck has a lot of potential but he still has a long way to go, and I still don’t think he could beat a healthy sanchez or parisyan.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree especially with hughes,trigg,sherk and penn being better fighters than Koshcheck. Koscheck has a lot of potential but he still has a long way to go, and I still don’t think he could beat a healthy sanchez or parisyan.
just remember when we think we know how “good” someone is, we forget anything can happen. on paper GSP was supposed to destroy Serra, so if Kos shows up thinking he will in he just might
by BLOodyMEss on Jun 4, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana is trying to light the fire under GSP, which might be a good move and it may work. I’m a huge GSP fan and do see that GSP does handle pressure well, not so much in fighting because he seems to handle it well in the cage upon the Serra fight. But if you look at him during the confrontation he had with Matt Hughes during the show, and live interview, he seems un-relaxed and hesitant.
I hope he shook off all the pressure and jitter, because he’s got the tools to succeed.
by LUKE on Jun 4, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pardon me
make that “does not” handle pressure well.
by LUKE on Jun 4, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Danna’s just doing damage control, and using is non american talent, you dont here him bad mouthing hughes, what was his defect, or franklin, and you guys jump on the hate bandwagon. GSP will back back better than ever! Humble men dont make good king, but they do learn to rule their domains.
by Ro-J on Jun 4, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and who knew Serra was gonna start throwing bombs…..
by Ro-J on Jun 4, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the biggest challenge for GSP would be a really good striker. PPL who can’t knock him out just don’t have much of a chance. He is to strong and increasingly hard to submit.
I think that’s one of the reason’s Serra won.. is that he trained his striking a lot and was lucky enough to land that killer blow. I have to say i was still impressed by how GSP got back up.. then ate some more then got back up.. Looks like he has a decent chin.
Unless something goes really wrong GSP will serv KOS a real beat down imo..
In any case UFC 74 is going to be the best UFC in a while.. So man good fights… Couture, GSP and Silvia.. :D
by Likwid on Jun 4, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that comment from Dana isn’t going to help any. That’s all we needed, having the “blanket” (Kos) win over a legitimate opponent who’s going over a mental crisis.
by ajadoniz on Jun 4, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, i know he beat Sanchez… but did he REALLY beat him?
by ajadoniz on Jun 4, 2007 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, i know he beat Sanchez… but did he REALLY beat him?
not the real sanchez, don’t know who that imposter was but he sucked.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, i know he beat Sanchez… but did he REALLY beat him?
Kos beat a sickman posing as a fighter. Don’t believe the hype.
This game is 90% mental. If GSP really needs to “work” on his mental game, then it might be too late.
I personaly don’t believe this. I just don’t think he trained leaded up to the fight and realized “too late” that Serra was coming for him.
GSP should be fine, especially after Serra beats Hughes.
Mark my word “SERRA WIll BEAT HUGHES” This is a bad- match up style wise for Hughes.
by Frizz on Jun 4, 2007 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Every one. Mental or none at all. GSP is the greatest fighter in MMA right now. DAna u got to be joking, GSP is one of your great fighter, and u are calling him out. Girls love him. Mostly manly dudes loves him when he fight they go crazy. He is a sexy beast. Hell i even have a man crush on him. True dat. If u dont like him well i dont care,. I am A GSP Lover. I have a man crush on GSP I love him.
by Junior BUBU on Jun 4, 2007 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP is the man he is one of the best fighter n he gets all the girls for free if u know what i mean.LOL
by Junior BUBU on Jun 4, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I so don’t think Koscheck could hang with Sanchez on the ground, seeing it took all of 10 seconds for him to get Koschecks back, Sanchez’s submission skills are light years ahead of Koschecks. And Frizz – ( Mark my word “SERRA WIll BEAT HUGHES” This is a bad- match up style wise for Hughes). I don’t agree I’m very sure Hughes will handle Serra, Serra has had great difficulty with strong grapplers in the past, I think Hughes will tire Serra out and have his way with him. Serra always starts out strong but I really can’t see him lasting in a 5 round war with Hughes, the only way serra could beat Hughes is catching him early on with a good punch or a submission. Hughes is too cautious now to stand with Serra for very long, and is a very good with submissions, I doubt Serra catches him, I really see Hughes winning either by decision or tko. I actually think, and most will be surprised but this but serra had a better chance with Gsp than Hughes style wise. Most feel the opposite but Serra has heavy hands and is difficult to knock out, he had a punchers chance with gsp because gsp would be willing to stand all night with him but not Hughes. I could see Hughes being very methodical and boring and getting the decision with Serra and not taking risks.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I am not going to make any assumptions on this one. I just hope GSP shows up to perform in his next fight. He has a bright Future if he could just not get to nervous.
Later
Chris Valentine
by Chris Valentine on Jun 4, 2007 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True Gsp has done very well when he’s confident and relaxed going into a fight, yoga might not be a bad idea.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Every one. Mental or none at all. GSP is the greatest fighter in MMA right now. DAna u got to be joking, GSP is one of your great fighter, and u are calling him out. Girls love him. Mostly manly dudes loves him when he fight they go crazy. He is a sexy beast. Hell i even have a man crush on him. True dat. If u dont like him well i dont care,. I am A GSP Lover. I have a man crush on GSP I love him.
U must me new my friend. I have never seen your name. Junior BUBU LOL. Funny but yet cool name.
by St. Amour on Jun 4, 2007 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Every one. Mental or none at all. GSP is the greatest fighter in MMA right now. DAna u got to be joking, GSP is one of your great fighter, and u are calling him out. Girls love him. Mostly manly dudes loves him when he fight they go crazy. He is a sexy beast. Hell i even have a man crush on him. True dat. If u dont like him well i dont care,. I am A GSP Lover. I have a man crush on GSP I love him.
If u have a man crush on GSP then i will jump on your bandwagon. Hey everyone we should jump on his wagon. I love GSP as well. SEXY Beast come on dude thats gay LOL. But yet funny. BUBU u r awesome. Peace.
by St. Amour on Jun 4, 2007 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dana white is just trying to get gsp fired up
maybe dana isnt trailer trash dumb after all?
by GasManShad on Jun 4, 2007 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No need to get all hyped up. We all know this is BS. Lets go GSP.
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What else is Dana going to say after he goes on a rant about Gsp being the best fighter in the world, then gets tko’ed in the first round by a tuff 5 winner who barely got by lytle? Gsp losing so badly made Dana look stupid, it looks like he’s trying to save face.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana should quit yapping – I can’t believe the President of any organization would actually speak in public like that. Totally unprofessional. Oh, perhaps because GSP demolished his buddy Hughes….
by Robsmygod on Jun 4, 2007 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then again he is 25-26 and still lives with his parents. Gotta be weak somewhere. Love him as a fighter, even his 2 loses were fun to watch, but really thats seems weird to me.
by Tommy on Jun 4, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that Dana was just pissed and surprised that GSP lost, and that’s why he is saying these things. Admitedly it is true, but he is probably trying to light a fire under GSP so they can make some money together.
by theCloser on Jun 4, 2007 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No need to get all hyped up. We all know this is BS. Lets go GSP.
i agree totally. this is all mind games by dana, wich if you watch tuf you easily tell this.
by bw on Jun 4, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
White should stfu.. Bashing one of the best fighters to enter the octagon in UFC history serves no purpose. If he is concerned about GSP’s mental toughness then telling the media he think GSP has weak won’t help the cause.
In any case… It takes a boat load of mental toughness to make it to where he has.. including the punishing comeback he made against BJ Pen.
What really is happening here is i think GSP is a bit more honest and open than other fighters. So he will open up more about what he is thinking.. But trust me… those same exact thoughts go through every fighters mind before they enter the octagon.
Dana is really doing a disservice to GSP, GSP fans and the UFC.
I think Dana knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s lighting a fire under GSP’s ass and calling a frenchman mentally weak will definatly do it. GSP thrives when people doubt him and he will do whatever it takes to prove them wrong.
by Gord on Jun 4, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then again he is 25-26 and still lives with his parents. Gotta be weak somewhere. Love him as a fighter, even his 2 loses were fun to watch, but really thats seems weird to me.
Gsp turned 26 in May and recently bought a house.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just remember when we think we know how “good” someone is, we forget anything can happen. on paper GSP was supposed to destroy Serra, so if Kos shows up thinking he will in he just might
The ole’ “anything can happen” mantra is the same thing as having a “punchers chance”. In other words, it’s a given in any fight & really doesnt need to be said. Aside from that, do you have an arguement that you can actually back up with fact?
by Machine on Jun 4, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With the number of fights he has a year, he might get another title fight by 2012.
Where have you been? with the exception of his 2 injuries, he has pretty much fought every second UFC 46,48,50,54,56,58,65and 69. Come to think of it who fights more often than that.
by Gord on Jun 4, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If u have a man crush on GSP then i will jump on your bandwagon. Hey everyone we should jump on his wagon. I love GSP as well. SEXY Beast come on dude thats gay LOL. But yet funny. BUBU u r awesome. Peace.
i think these two have a man crush on each other! Threesome? i knew my good buddy amour would change but why so soon? Woof!
by ChuckLand on Jun 4, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, i know he beat Sanchez… but did he REALLY beat him?
Have you seen the Sanchez vs Alessio fight? Alessio displayed exactly what needs to be done to defeat a 100% Diego. Diego’s spirit was broken. Only problem was that Alessio ultimately beat himself by not pushing the pace which is a problem that Alessio still struggles with today. Kos’ takedowns cannot be denied by the likes of Diego. All Kos would have to do against a 100% Diego is stuff Diego’s shots & take Diego down at will & Diego’s discouragement will drive his loss.
Diego is much like Hughes & Liddell in that once you take away their main strengths (DS = ground game, CL = outside strikes) they have no other tools to beat you with. I know what you’re thinking, “what about the Riggs fight”? My reply to that would be that lightning needs to strike twice before Diego’s striking can be legitimized.
FYI, I respect what Diego brings to the cage as a fighter but I am definately NOT a fan.
by Machine on Jun 4, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gsp turned 26 in May and recently bought a house.
Good to know that my idol dont live with his parents anymore but me and Chuckland still lived with our parents.MEOW!
by St. Amour on Jun 4, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP is the man he is one of the best fighter n he gets all the girls for free if u know what i mean.LOL
What! that is so off topic.
by St. Amour on Jun 4, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I swear to god there has probably 10-15 people on this site who have uttered this same excuse, he didnt look right he was stiff, he didnt do his usual pre fight warm ups, he didnt seem confident(no eye of the tiger LOL), its all cool when you say it from a nutt huggin point of view but heaven forbid dana white say it.
by RoB on Jun 4, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I swear to god there has probably 10-15 people on this site who have uttered this same excuse, he didnt look right he was stiff, he didnt do his usual pre fight warm ups, he didnt seem confident(no eye of the tiger LOL), its all cool when you say it from a nutt huggin point of view but heaven forbid dana white say it.
Nah what Dana is saying is completly different.
Posters say – Over confident, wasnt hungry enough, lazy in a nutshell
Dana White says – GSP was scared of his competition…..yeah right, GSP has fought opponents way worse.
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Worse* …….. I mean worse for GSP, not worse competition. Poorly worded.
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana White likes to comment on everything even if his thoughts are stupid.
by c-war on Jun 4, 2007 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I swear to god there has probably 10-15 people on this site who have uttered this same excuse, he didnt look right he was stiff, he didnt do his usual pre fight warm ups, he didnt seem confident(no eye of the tiger LOL), its all cool when you say it from a nutt huggin point of view but heaven forbid dana white say it.
Hey u need to chill out with them comments about nutt huggin. I am for sure nutt huggin Anybody, I am protecting My Idol and my hero. People makes excuses we r not GOD, if u like the fighter u will defend them , so Knock it off with your nutt hugin self.
by St. Amour on Jun 4, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana White likes to comment on everything even if his thoughts are stupid.
hahaha serious. I know exactly what you mean. Why just here on this site there are times I just post it seems for the sake of posting, because I like it, and have no real point or particular thing to say hahaha.
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP has no heart. I bet he pulls out of the Kos fight with a sprained toe.
by MoreThanUFC on Jun 4, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP has no heart. I bet he pulls out of the Kos fight with a sprained toe.
just barely enough to walk through the cream of the 170’s like butter. no heart whatsoever
by GasManShad on Jun 4, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes Gsp was nervous before fighting Serra but hes confessed his nervousness on numerous occasions, saying he couldn’t sleep the night before and such. The bottom line people is he got CAUGHT period, it would happen to ANYONE if they fought enough, its not an excuse its a fact, Serra caught him and he couldn’t recover period. I don’t buy this nervous stuff,not enough training,etc he got hurt in a way he couldn’t or anyone else for that matter, recover, his equalibreum was messed up, the only way he could have got out of that one was getting saved by the bell. He still did a good job considering how f**ked up he was , its like fighting when your so drunk you can’t stand, pretty hard. All fighters have a punchers chance and Serra cashed in on his, and won fair and square and is now champ.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP has no heart. I bet he pulls out of the Kos fight with a sprained toe.
Heart part im not so sure about, however, the toe, I wont be suprised.
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP has no heart. I bet he pulls out of the Kos fight with a sprained toe.
What! GSP has a heart of a Dragon bro, he have a heart he will fight, and so what if he pulls out he will fight again later. My philosophy is do what u do and do it well.
U can never question a man’s heart.
by St. Amour on Jun 4, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What! GSP has a heart of a Dragon bro, he have a heart he will fight, and so what if he pulls out he will fight again later. My philosophy is do what u do and do it well.
U can never question a man’s heart.
Pulling out of fights is not doing it “doing it well”. Altought I do think he has heart to keep fight even though BJ clearly was dominating. He has heart, but I doubt his tendons.
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why isn’t chucks mental toughness under fire, he did much worse than Gsp, one punch and he folds? Or Serra after he lost to the famous spinning back fist? Yes Gsp gets nervous before fights but I think everyone is making too much of it, I’m not sure if he was “relaxed” there would have been a different outcome, Gsp just got caught and Serra won, it really is that simple.
GSP has no heart. I bet he pulls out of the Kos fight with a sprained toe.
To fight penn the way he did with a broken nose, to make an amazing com back after his first loss to Hughes….Gsp has heart maybe too much, he’s too nice and maybe never fought Serra to his full capacity, he himself said it was his most dangerous fight because he never had to fight someone he likes as much as Serra. Heart and mental toughness aren’t necessarily the same thing, Gsp is only mentally weak when it comes to nervousness and things like that, he definitely has heart when it comes to fighting, to train like he does with such grueling workouts, definitely not for the faint of heart, in some ways the mans a pit bull just maybe a little too nice for a professional fighter and has difficulty controlling his nervousness. White is trying to write of Gsp’s performance to nerves but I think Serra just caught him period, it happens and Whites trying to rationalize how superman lost, fact is he’s human just like everyone else.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pulling out of fights is not doing it “doing it well”. Altought I do think he has heart to keep fight even though BJ clearly was dominating. He has heart, but I doubt his tendons.
I agree with u. Some people here are so cruel that it is not even funny. how could u tell someone u dont have a heart cause either u are injured or just scared the fact is GSP is still in the MMA business so what that means. I would like to see The haters fight GSP. CAlling him no heart. Psissss.
by St. Amour on Jun 4, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why isn’t chucks mental toughness under fire, he did much worse than Gsp, one punch and he folds?
Are you comparing Chin’s to mental toughness?
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. I for one think Gsp has a lot of heart just my take on it, obviously there are plenty who feel otherwise.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you comparing Chin’s to mental toughness?
again… WATCH CHUCK VS METZGER
by GasManShad on Jun 4, 2007 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No heart men come on he fought BJ Penn with a thumb poke in his eye and he has a broken nose in round one. What happen next he came back and one. Never question a great man’s heart. I am proud of GSP no matter what.Once again u can never question a man’s heart, u are very disgraceful my friend.
read my post again bro. catch the hint of sarcasm. i think gsp is a fuggin animal
by GasManShad on Jun 4, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no way you cruise through the 170’s… trigg miller parisyan hughes… without heart.
damn dudes. calm down. was throwin some sarcasm at MTU
by GasManShad on Jun 4, 2007 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you comparing Chin’s to mental toughness?
No I’m not, we wouldn’t be having this discussion if Gsp won, I just don’t believe he lost because he was nervous, he’s nervous before every fight, maybe more on this occasion but Chuck looked nervous too and performed like shit. Gsp was doing fine until he got caught and now he lost because he was nervous? I don’t buy it, it could have happened to anyone, look how calm and confident Karo was before Serra dropped him 11 seconds into the fight, nerves or lack of it doesn’t win fights.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
again… WATCH CHUCK VS METZGER
Chuck got hit pretty freakin square, dropped, recovered exceptionally and came back and won the fight. What are you trying to prove?
And besides, that wasnt my point, the point was we are talking about your mental condition of the fighter going into the fight, not the physical ability to take a punch.
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you comparing Chin’s to mental toughness?[/quote]
Hey at first u a were talking about no heart what so ever now u talking about mental toughness. Answer me Anomaly do u have a heart or what so ever.
by St. Amour on Jun 4, 2007 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is going to sound funny…..but I saw a timid GSP as well. Could it be possible? He looked so great against big names like Hughes and Penn, and now a problem after becoming Champ. Doesn’t seem legit, but it wouldn’t be the first time I heard of a an athlete getting a sudden case of stage fight.
by Stafo on Jun 4, 2007 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey at first u a were talking about no heart what so ever now u talking about mental toughness. Answer me Anomaly do u have a heart or what so ever.
I’m lost dude. I was talking to you about GSP having heart. I agreed he clearly has heart, I pointed out teh Penn fight. Then I said I jsut hated how he pulled out of those two fights.
Then, I replied to nathan about comparing Chuck to GSP.
I was talking to you about something, and talking to Nathan about something totally different.
by The Anomaly on Jun 4, 2007 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is going to sound funny…..but I saw a timid GSP as well. Could it be possible? He looked so great against big names like Hughes and Penn, and now a problem after becoming Champ. Doesn’t seem legit, but it wouldn’t be the first time I heard of a an athlete getting a sudden case of stage fight.
If you watch closely he looks nervous before most fights, just his personality and usually performs better as the fight goes on. He had his nose broken by Penn very early on in the fight and I believe he would have done much better had the freak nose clipping not have occurred. I believe Gsp was under more pressure than normal considering he trained less than half of what he normally does before a fight, and having so much on the line….his first title defense. I feel he would have been fine if he made it to the second round he’s usually kind of a slow starter but once he gets comfortable he really starts letting loose.
by nathan on Jun 4, 2007 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Anomaly I was comparing chuck to gsp in the attempt to question why everyone wasn’t question chucks mental toughness or anyone else for that matter that does poorly…cro cop, Hughes in Hughes/st.pierre 2 etc. That was my only point, yes Gsp is the shy, nervous type and so is cro cop but overall these guys kick ass I would forgive them for a poor performance once in a while there only human.
by nathan on Jun 5, 2007 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Anomaly I was comparing chuck to gsp in the attempt to question why everyone wasn’t question chucks mental toughness or anyone else for that matter that does poorly…cro cop, Hughes in Hughes/st.pierre 2 etc. That was my only point, yes Gsp is the shy, nervous type and so is cro cop but overall these guys kick ass I would forgive them for a poor performance once in a while there only human.
Yeah me to. I mean, just cuz I attibute a loss to this or that, or try to analyze why I think it happened, dosnt mean I think any less of him or dislike him. I think he didnt look as big as he usually does, and I think he came in just not himself. But I still like the guy and he is an awsome fighter. This loss didnt change anything for me in my mind.
by The Anomaly on Jun 5, 2007 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chuck lost, so he’s a mental midgit, Cro Cop too. Fedor lost also , Oh I almost forgot about the biggest mental case there is ,Randy lost many times. Rampage looked nervous as hell before the fight against Chuck , but he won so he’s not a midget. Gsp got caught , wake up it’s MMA, shit happens. One loss = mentally weak ,GOOD LODGIC! Oh sorry, did I say 1 loss, I forgot about the loss when GSP was first touted as being ,mentally weak , only to come back and run the div.(that takes mental toughness). GSP said,“everyone around me always told me,you will never make it to the UFC, you are not good enough for those guys. Then he made it. Then they said,”well you will not win and you will never be champion". This reeks of mental strength. What Dana said was smart. GSP, like Randy performs best when he has something to prove, so I’m going to do my part. Randy you are too old, you stand no chance agaist GG they will pack you out on a stretcher and you Frenchy, looks like your going down Loiseau Lane you mental infant, your winning days are over and Kos is going to crush you faster than Sera did. Come on haters, help stoke the fire.
by Gord on Jun 5, 2007 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP has no heart. I bet he pulls out of the Kos fight with a sprained toe.
I bet he sprains his toe on kos’s temple.
by Gord on Jun 5, 2007 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes Gsp was nervous before fighting Serra but hes confessed his nervousness on numerous occasions, saying he couldn’t sleep the night before and such. The bottom line people is he got CAUGHT period, it would happen to ANYONE if they fought enough, its not an excuse its a fact, Serra caught him and he couldn’t recover period. I don’t buy this nervous stuff,not enough training,etc he got hurt in a way he couldn’t or anyone else for that matter, recover, his equalibreum was messed up, the only way he could have got out of that one was getting saved by the bell. He still did a good job considering how f**ked up he was , its like fighting when your so drunk you can’t stand, pretty hard. All fighters have a punchers chance and Serra cashed in on his, and won fair and square and is now champ.
This is the plain truth right here. Just like Chuck said ,“I got caught, there’s nothing more to say”
by Gord on Jun 5, 2007 12:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet he sprains his toe on kos’s temple.
U r immature bro ha. if kos got kick in the temple then he would be knock out…. cause the way u r saying it is this Gsp Kick KOS in the nuts so hard that GSP broke his toe. ALl your post here is sick u r trying to Stoke a fire. LOL good one.
by St. Amour on Jun 5, 2007 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gsp turned 26 in May and recently bought a house.
Maybe thats why he was nervous then. He has alot more on the line now.
by Tommy on Jun 5, 2007 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP has no heart. I bet he pulls out of the Kos fight with a sprained toe.
Playin’ the GSP manlovers again. He definitely has some hardcore fans. You guys defend him like you know him or something. His record is not so stellar. Twinkle Toes. Beats Sherk at 70. Split decision over Penn? Caught Matt Hughes with a HLK. He is an athlete, no doubt, but he’s no fighter.
by SaVaGe on Jun 5, 2007 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Playin’ the GSP manlovers again. He definitely has some hardcore fans. You guys defend him like you know him or something. His record is not so stellar. Twinkle Toes. Beats Sherk at 70. Split decision over Penn? Caught Matt Hughes with a HLK. He is an athlete, no doubt, but he’s no fighter.
hahahahahahahaha. Are you just trying to piss of his fans? Ok then mister Savage. What then, would GSP have to do to impress you? He played with Triggs like a girl, dominated the whole fight he fought with Hughes. And finished Sherk which is more than Hughes could say. What on earth is it gonna take to impress some people?
by The Anomaly on Jun 5, 2007 2:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you just trying to piss of his fans?
Yes. Just messing with you. But be real -
54: Trigg was exposed by Hillbilly Hughes twice before GSP faced.
56: Sherk was at the wrong weight. He has the arm length of a T-Rex.
58: GSP survived the Penn fight and stole a controversial split-decision over Penn with takedowns but no punishment…weak.
65: GSP comes into his own with a HK to Hillbilly Hughes…like I said, he is an athlete, unlike Matt the country bumpkin.
69: KOd…it happens, he got caught.
St. Pierre won 4 in a row, 6 of 8 in the UFC…won the title and successfully defended it 0 times…
Tim Sylvia won 5 in row, 8 of 11 in the UFC…won the title twice and successfully defended it twice.
I don’t like Sylvia either, but GSP just doesn’t deserve the homage you give him…maybe it’s just because you think he has a better body than Tim?
by SaVaGe on Jun 5, 2007 3:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet he sprains his toe on kos’s temple.
I BET HE BRAKES A KNUCKLE ON KOS’S HEAD
by BISBINGisaMIDDLEweight.. on Jun 5, 2007 3:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he may have a bit of a problem fighting people he likes or respects… Thats about it though.
its either your night or not eh.
by Robin on Jun 5, 2007 6:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you could ever say GSP doesn’t have heart, especially after that BJ Penn fight. That was a true test, and he definately passed it.
I don’t understand the questioning of his mental state. He got caught with a solid punch early in the fight and Serra did not give him a chance to recover, he went after him like a pitbull. What has that got to do with a mental state or being nervous. If he wasn’t nervous or if he was even more mentally prepared and Serra hit him the same way, the end result would have been excatly the same. He got caught fair and square no excuses. If he had landed first it would have probably been a different result, but he didn’t. That’s the nature of the sport, all the best loose at some point. I would have called it lucky if that was Serra’s first fight, but Serra’s been around too long to call it luck. He was the better fighter on the night. Watching Karo though in his last fight against Burkman, he could have beaten anyone that night including Hughes or GSP, he would have definately knocked out Hughes if Hughes had tried to stand with him, that is the best I’ve ever seen him. If Karo can keep up that performance, he will definately be wearing that belt around his waist. Koscheck should definately be put in with Karo. Could you imagine all the smack talking these two would be coming out with.
by Ade on Jun 5, 2007 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think metally he should be worried. When he fought matt hughes he’s had a child’s mind but now he’s a man and he’ll just come bakc bigger and better.
by jason bang on Jun 5, 2007 8:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Playin’ the GSP manlovers again. He definitely has some hardcore fans. You guys defend him like you know him or something. His record is not so stellar. Twinkle Toes. Beats Sherk at 70. Split decision over Penn? Caught Matt Hughes with a HLK. He is an athlete, no doubt, but he’s no fighter.
Mr. SaVage I defend GSP cause he is my favorite MMA Fighter, and he is my idol. I am Definetely a GSP fan For LIFE. People hate its a part of life. U r hating my friend for telling him he is not a fighter why dont u tell it to his face. I bet he will beat the brakes out of u. N how many GSP lovers are here exactly enouf said u r a hater.
by St. Amour on Jun 5, 2007 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about his brain but the kid has heart for sure. Of course that guy will say he has no heart he wouldn’t know what heart was if he was looking right at it. Blame displacer
by Tommy on Jun 5, 2007 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Just messing with you. But be real -
54: Trigg was exposed by Hillbilly Hughes twice before GSP faced.
56: Sherk was at the wrong weight. He has the arm length of a T-Rex.
58: GSP survived the Penn fight and stole a controversial split-decision over Penn with takedowns but no punishment…weak.
65: GSP comes into his own with a HK to Hillbilly Hughes…like I said, he is an athlete, unlike Matt the country bumpkin.
69: KOd…it happens, he got caught.
St. Pierre won 4 in a row, 6 of 8 in the UFC…won the title and successfully defended it 0 times…
Tim Sylvia won 5 in row, 8 of 11 in the UFC…won the title twice and successfully defended it twice.
I don’t like Sylvia either, but GSP just doesn’t deserve the homage you give him…maybe it’s just because you think he has a better body than Tim?
I get your point but its the WAY Gsp wins and his obvious well roundedness that makes him great. He looks great visually and looks great when hes fighting, the Tim comparison is lame because I can barely stay awake with big Tim fighting.
Its not all about getting the W, Hughes got 18 wins in a row and though he’s a great fighter, he’s boring to watch, fans like Gsp because he’s exciting to watch to both men and women, and oozes charm and class something Tim is seriously lacking. Gsp usually destroys his opponents very convincingly, and looks stylish as he does it, Tim looks like a big ungainly ogre lumbering out there and usually tries to out point his opponent, Gsp brings non-stop action and always seems like he’s trying to end it. His lamest fight, other than the serra fight was his fight with penn, I think having a broken nose and impaired vision for the first round really f**ked him up, and I think if they fought again we’d see a very different performance. I for one totally get why Gsp wins fans over, he’s very well rounded, great looking (for the women), polite, athletic and fast, french-accent(for the women), charasmatic and I could go on and on. Your record on paper means very little to most fans, how you conduct yourself and how you get the wins means everything.
by nathan on Jun 5, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I get your point but its the WAY Gsp wins and his obvious well roundedness that makes him great. He looks great visually and looks great when hes fighting, the Tim comparison is lame because I can barely stay awake with big Tim fighting.
Its not all about getting the W, Hughes got 18 wins in a row and though he’s a great fighter, he’s boring to watch, fans like Gsp because he’s exciting to watch to both men and women, and oozes charm and class something Tim is seriously lacking. Gsp usually destroys his opponents very convincingly, and looks stylish as he does it, Tim looks like a big ungainly ogre lumbering out there and usually tries to out point his opponent, Gsp brings non-stop action and always seems like he’s trying to end it. His lamest fight, other than the serra fight was his fight with penn, I think having a broken nose and impaired vision for the first round really f**ked him up, and I think if they fought again we’d see a very different performance. I for one totally get why Gsp wins fans over, he’s very well rounded, great looking (for the women), polite, athletic and fast, french-accent(for the women), charasmatic and I could go on and on. Your record on paper means very little to most fans, how you conduct yourself and how you get the wins means everything.
U r the man nathan. Go tell them the facts right, rather than telling someone that he has no heart that really pisses me off.
by St. Amour on Jun 5, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
telling someone that he has no heart that really pisses me off.
I quoted another post that said GSP has no heart…my reply being that said poster was whipping you GSP lovers up into a frenzy. And true to form, here you are defending again. I never said GSP has no heart, however IMO he does lack a killer instinct. He is athletic and well rounded, but does not have a fighter mentality. I think that is along the same line of what Dana said?
I’m sorry to have wasted some thoughtful opinion regarding GSPs record on you… I could have just said “GSP sux!” and got the same mindless reply from you and your brothers in arms. My favorite part about your juvenile reply was how GSP would beat the brakes out of me for my opinion? Wow! Now I am intrigued by what you might say next.
by SaVaGe on Jun 5, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What do u expect from a guy that does not like GSP. He would not say that about his boy Hughes. Every tough fight (Trigg,Penn,GSP),he complains about a low blow or thump in the eye whenever he’s in trouble.He’s the only fighter that gets time-outs.GSP came back from getting poked in the eye-Penn,(ala Karo -Sanchez). Again everyone knows he looked past Serra. Now if anyone looked scared try Liddell.Wait a minute that’s Dana’s boy toy ,too.
by joey g on Jun 5, 2007 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Just messing with you. But be real -
54: Trigg was exposed by Hillbilly Hughes twice before GSP faced.
56: Sherk was at the wrong weight. He has the arm length of a T-Rex.
58: GSP survived the Penn fight and stole a controversial split-decision over Penn with takedowns but no punishment…weak.
65: GSP comes into his own with a HK to Hillbilly Hughes…like I said, he is an athlete, unlike Matt the country bumpkin.
69: KOd…it happens, he got caught.
St. Pierre won 4 in a row, 6 of 8 in the UFC…won the title and successfully defended it 0 times…
Tim Sylvia won 5 in row, 8 of 11 in the UFC…won the title twice and successfully defended it twice.
I don’t like Sylvia either, but GSP just doesn’t deserve the homage you give him…maybe it’s just because you think he has a better body than Tim?
What i find funny Savage is that you offer excuses for all the fighters GSP has beaten as if it was a fluke… Yet GSP looses 1 fight and you jump on the he isn’t a fighter band wagon.
Let me break this down for you..
You said: 54: Trigg was exposed by Hillbilly Hughes twice before GSP faced.
I say: Trigg isn’t the hardest fighter to beat out there but hell.. He isn’t a push over even after a lose.
You said: 56: Sherk was at the wrong weight. He has the arm length of a T-Rex.
I say: Tell that to Randy vs Sylvia. Your better at offering excuses for losers then the losers are for themselves.
You said 58: GSP survived the Penn fight and stole a controversial split-decision over Penn with takedowns but no punishment…weak.
I say: This is the biggest sack of BS.. The only damage that Penn did to GSP and a weak clip to the nose and an illegal thumb to the eye.. Sure GSP didn’t do a hell of a lot of damage to Penn.. But neither did Penn in round 2 or 3. Hence why GSP won both those rounds. PPL tend to forget that UFC is based on rounds.. No matter how much damage Pen did in round 1.. He barely did anything in round 2 and 3.. For GSP to even stand toe 2 toe with Penn in round 2 and 3 took courage and skill. And for Penn to not demolish GSP after the type of injuries he sustained in round 1 only shows how dominant GSP was truly. Your argument on UFC 58 alone shows your lack of comprehension of what really happens in the octagon.
You say: 65: GSP comes into his own with a HK to Hillbilly Hughes…like I said, he is an athlete, unlike Matt the country bumpkin.
I say: Your right GSP is an athlete. But lets think for a second.. You seem to say that the only reason GSP had the success he had is because he is an athlete.. Ok so lets take the best athletes in history and put em in the Octagon see how they do.. By that statement alone you have just insulted everyone that GSP has beaten.. Saying they aren’t worthy fighters cause a simple Athlete can trounce them. Fact is Hughes yes is a hillbilly but still is a fierce fighter and GSP gave him one hell of a whooping EVEN BEFORE THE KICK to the head Hughes was getting owned.
You say: 69: KOd…it happens, he got caught.
St. Pierre won 4 in a row, 6 of 8 in the UFC…won the title and successfully defended it 0 times…
I Say: Your right it does happen. Could GSP have been better or less nervous? sure.. Was he nervous heck yes.. Is he more honest about his emotions than all of the other MMA fighters.. you bet and that’s why ppl can assume he doesn’t have what it takes. But trust me the other fighters act tough but think exactly what GSP thinks before entering the octagon.
I don’t know if you knew this but GSP have been in martial arts since he was 6 years old. So his so called athleticism was developed fighter not playing football.
Although I respect other points of views and i am not the biggest GSP fan your above statements are full of non sense and outright crap.
Have a good day sir.
by Likwid on Jun 5, 2007 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
first i got roasted about Chuck and had to defend him and my buddy helped some and laughed some, so here i am to rescue you St. Amour, GSP is great he will champ again very soon and he will walk through KOS i look for a Hughes/GSP III but White screwed up with the show we have to wait forever now!! no Woof for white only a little meow, but it was fun to see GSP rocked Woof! on dat one
by ChuckLand on Jun 5, 2007 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All it took was one stinking (fluke)loss and the Haters are all over GSP like a cheap suit. Any haters care to make a bet against GSP on his next fight??? let the loser donates the bet money to this WEBSITE.
UFCMania knows who we are, so for any hater, here is your chance to step to the plate and quit yapping. I welcome any opponents……………….
by LUKE on Jun 5, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Betting against Gsp’s next opponent is foolish, its MMA anything can happen, I think Gsp will probably win unless something unusual happens. I agree with Likwid, SaVaGe you obviously have an axe to grind with Gsp so dont try an act like your impartial, your pretty transparent. I like Gsp, is he my favorite?, not sure I like a lot of fighters but I do think he is one of the funnest to watch, Karo is also very entertaining too. SaLaGe almost every example you gave in Gsp’s fights you were totally minimizing Gsp’s achievements which I don’t agree with and would prefer to call things as I see them. I like watching a lot of fighters in the UFC chuck liddel,anderson silva,Matt Hughes,Diego Sanchez,Georges St.pierre,Karo Parisyan,bj penn,josh koscheck,cro cop,fedor, and many more. I’m not just a St.pierre fan but if I like the fighter and someone talks shit about them thats unwarranted I’ll speak up.
by nathan on Jun 5, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Although I respect other points of views and i am not the biggest GSP fan your above statements are full of non sense and outright crap.
I based my opinion on the topic, "White questions St. Pierre’s “mental ability to fight’”, nothing personal. You are just showing your true colors. Don’t take it to heart that I refuse to regress to your level and call your opinions crap or nonsensical. I was merely pointing out that Dana’s view of GSP is that he is a physically gifted athlete but not mentally tough. IMO he lacks a killer instinct. Call it emotional honesty or nerves or whatever. That is why I say he is not a fighter.
I have no axe to grind over GSP, just that his record is not worthy of all the adoration and excuses given him throughout this topic. The axe I am grinding is with all the GSP lovers. My favorite figher is Babalu, but I won’t make excuses about his recent performances. Ah, he was nervous and at an emotional state before the fight…lol fkn gay.
Nathan, you think GSPs losses are “flukes” so save it for someone else. I would hardly call my posts “talking sh*t” about GSP, just you…too transparent?
by SaVaGe on Jun 5, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t take it to heart that I refuse to regress to your level and call your opinions crap or nonsensical.
What level are you talking about? The level of reality? Because if you want to join me on this level i would not take it personal at all ;)
by Likwid on Jun 5, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring it SaVaGe.
by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...? on Jun 5, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What level are you talking about? The level of reality? Because if you want to join me on this level i would not take it personal at all
Good one Likwid, touché. Out of all that text that is what you quoted?
by SaVaGe on Jun 5, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is what was posted on www.Sportsnet.ca
CP) — Georges St. Pierre’s shocking loss to Matt Serra is continuing to cause waves for the former UFC welterweight champion.
The 170-pound mixed martial arts fighter from Montreal has been forced to leave his jiu-jitsu mentor, has switched kickboxing coaches and finds himself embroiled in a debate over whether he has the mental game to go with his undeniable physical assets.
Adding to the mix, St. Pierre’s manager Stephane Patry agrees with UFC president Dana White that the Canadian lost to Serra because of cracks in his mental game. But Patry (who also runs the TKO MMA circuit in Montreal) says the Serra setback was a one-off.
“Dana is one thousand per cent right on the fact that he lost that fight mentally,” Patry told The Canadian Press in an interview from Montreal. “But saying that Georges is not good mentally is wrong. To beat Matt Hughes the way he beat him. To beat Frank Trigg, Sean Sherk, the way he beat those guys, you need to be mentally strong, especially when you’re 23 years old doing so.”
Serra, a 10-1 underdog, upset St. Pierre in the Canadian’s first title defence at UFC 69 in April in Houston. St. Pierre was humble after the fight, saying Serra deserved the win. But he angered Serra in a subsequent interview when he blamed the loss on the fact that a knee injury restricted his training to just two weeks.
St. Pierre, 26, also told The Fan 590 in Toronto he would never have taken the fight if his opponent had been former champion Matt Hughes.
“But I told myself it’s Matt Serra, I can beat this guy easily, he said. “I took it, I made a mistake, I learned a big life lesson from it.”
Serra was not impressed. “How do I not get insulted by that,” he told MMA Radio.
“Drink your red wine, go to your hockey game and shut up,” added Serra, referring to St. Pierre as Frenchy.
As a consequence, Serra told New York-based jiu-jitsu mentor Renzo Gracie he would leave if St. Pierre continue to train there. Serra has been a student of Gracie longer than St. Pierre, so the Canadian became the odd man out.
St. Pierre, who opted not to train at Gracie’s academy in the buildup to the Serra fight, is now working on his jiu-jitsu in Montreal with Bruno Fernandez and Fabio Holanda.
He has also switched kickboxing coaches, leaving Victor Vargotsky to work with Phil Nurse in New York. Hopefully that split was amicable. Vargotsky is a former kickboxing champion from Ukraine and an ex-Soviet Union special forces sniper who served in Afghanistan,
Patry believes lack of training was not his fighter’s problem,
“I don’t think he lost that fight because (of) how long his training was, I think he lost that fight mentally,” he said in an interview.
But the two are connected, according to Patry. “The whole mental thing happened because of the three weeks of training.”
The knee injury — which forced the UFC to postpone the bout from Feb. 3 to April 7 — cut into training, as did a bout of flu, according to Patry.
“I think Georges is such a gifted athlete that he could get away with a four-week or three-week training camp, in my opinion. But if a three- or four-week training camp affects his mental (game), then we can’t do that,” said Patry. .
In a conference call before UFC 71, White questioned St. Pierre’s mental toughness, saying he fell victim to nerves against Serra.
“This kid was so nervous to fight Matt Serra, it was blowing my mind,” said White, who saw St. Pierre in his dressing room before the fight.
“I think that Georges St. Pierre needs to work on his mental game, because his physical game is second to none. … The only thing I’ve seen, any kink in his armour, is his head.”
Unlike White, Patry says St. Pierre was fine in the dressing room. But he didn’t like what he saw when his fighter walked out to the cage.
“While we were in the dressing room, just before we walked out to go to the Octagon, I was sure he was going to run through Matt Serra. And no disrespect to Matt. I really like Matt. But I thought Georges had the skills and the physical preparation to beat him.
“When he walked to the Octagon, he started doubting himself. He started saying to myself, `Oh, I only trained three weeks. What if he trained more than me? What if he is more prepared than me? I usually train seven weeks. Is it going to show in the fight? Blah blah blah, blah blah blah.”’
Those questions ruined his mental preparation, Patry suggested.
Noting his fighter had a nine-inch reach advantage over Serra, Patry added: “If Georges is there mentally and he’s concentrated, there’s no way Matt Serra should even touch his gloves let alone behind his head.”
St. Pierre himself admitted he was so psyched out the first time he fought Hughes at UFC 50 in 2004 that he couldn’t even bring himself to look at Hughes during the pre-fight instructions in the ring. But he came into the rematch a different man, staring defiantly at the champion before taking away his championship belt.
Patry notes St. Pierre was just 21 when he fought Hughes the first time.
“He had every right to be nervous,” he said.
“Even with a sports psychologist or all the help in the world, there’s no way a kid like that can’t be nervous fighting his idol. He showed his true colours in the second fight.
“I think the thing where Georges is weak right now is for him to be comfortable mentally, everything has to go his way. He has to learn that sometimes things happen and you can’t let these things affect your mental (game). And that’s what we’re working on.”
St. Pierre is expected to fight Josh Koscheck in August while Serra faces off against Hughes in the finale of the next season of “The Ultimate Fighter.” Serra and Hughes are rival coaches on the reality TV show.
“He’ll come back stronger than ever, he’s very talented and he’s going to learn from that,” Patry said of St. Pierre.
The manager has no beef with Serra.
“Georges was nervous and that’s not Serra’s fault. … Matt Serra played the perfect game, he put pressure on Georges and that’s what you have to do on those young guys.”
“It’s the fight game,” he said of the controversy between Serra and St. Pierre. “It’s going to sell tickets to the rematch.”
by Jo on Jun 5, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good one Likwid, touché. Out of all that text that is what you quoted?
The none response means that he couldn’t think of a comment to say. advantage likwid
by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...? on Jun 5, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Just messing with you. But be real -
54: Trigg was exposed by Hillbilly Hughes twice before GSP faced.
56: Sherk was at the wrong weight. He has the arm length of a T-Rex.
58: GSP survived the Penn fight and stole a controversial split-decision over Penn with takedowns but no punishment…weak.
65: GSP comes into his own with a HK to Hillbilly Hughes…like I said, he is an athlete, unlike Matt the country bumpkin.
69: KOd…it happens, he got caught.
St. Pierre won 4 in a row, 6 of 8 in the UFC…won the title and successfully defended it 0 times…
Tim Sylvia won 5 in row, 8 of 11 in the UFC…won the title twice and successfully defended it twice.
I don’t like Sylvia either, but GSP just doesn’t deserve the homage you give him…maybe it’s just because you think he has a better body than Tim?
Well I just disagree with your method of catagorizing a “fighter”. The fact that Trigg lost to Hughes twice dosnt degrade the win GSP got with him in my mind. Trigg put up awsome battles with Hughes both times. Trigg just has the worst sub defense for a guy of his caliber.
Sherk ok, but still, Hughes couldnt finish, GSP could. Also, GSP handled Karo pretty nicely, with the GnP. Gsp also has heart as he showed against Penn, although I too think Penn is a better fighter, the best at 55 and 70.
The fact is these guys are a lot better in there division than the guys Sylvia had to face in his, save AA. GSP has had many more tests. I think he is looked upon a little to highly, but I think you look at him far to, uh, lowly.
by The Anomaly on Jun 5, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP has no heart. I bet he pulls out of the Kos fight with a sprained toe.
Playin’ the GSP manlovers again. He definitely has some hardcore fans. You guys defend him like you know him or something. His record is not so stellar. Twinkle Toes. Beats Sherk at 70. Split decision over Penn? Caught Matt Hughes with a HLK. He is an athlete, no doubt, but he’s no fighter.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
by Gord on Jun 5, 2007 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
Ditto on that, the guy is a tard.
by nathan on Jun 6, 2007 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto on that, the guy is a tard.
I second that motion your honor.
by Likwid on Jun 6, 2007 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would just like to add that everyone speaks of Hughes struggles with guys that GSP beats when camparing to GSP. First off, Hughes has never struggled in a fight that was clean, except for maybe the BJ fight, and EVERYONE will struggle to beat BJ. Hughes fight with Sherk was no struggle, just similar styles, that make for a slow fight. Trigg, come on, how can anyone say he struggled against Trigg. Obviously he took a shot in the jewels, and was not given the time to recover. Lastly, GSP! Try getting kicked in the nuts twice (intentional or not) and see how it takes the fight out of you. I am not saying GSP sucks, but NOBODY gives Hughes the credit he deserves.
by Heath on Jun 28, 2007 8:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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