i think im going to cream my pants

yah id say hes definately a contender with his destruction of rampage

I’d love to see Wanderlei and Ortiz go at it, but hope Wanderlei knocks him out so he can cry again lol. And definately think Rampage will beat Henderson.

Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah!

Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah!

Only if they give him the title shot. WIth Dana White’s remarks about no one knowing who Shogun is, I think he is going to give him a few fights to show off his destructive skills before he fights for the title.

Then again, I don’t think anyone knew who Anderson Silva was before he won his belt. Possibly, his destruction of Leben prompted an early title shot. I can definitely see Shogun doing the same thing. Feed Shogun Bonnar!

I think Bonnar is on the 72 card. This might actually happen.

I think were wishful thinking that Shogun will fight at 72. Never heard of the UFC holding out on a name before a fight. I’m sure someone on here what of already discovered it anyways. Will he be announced? Definetly…the 72 card needs the excitement. As for him picking Rampage over Hendo…I agree. Rampage aresenal is too much and will overwhelm Hendo as long as he can stay focused. I believe it was MTU who said the Rampage needs to have that edge. With them being friends and all this could serve as a weakness for him. As for Tito/Silva II Hell Yea! Both guys have grown tremendously since there last bout. This would be a great co-mainevent. Although I think we will see Silva/Liddell before that. Shogun threw it out there because Wandy probably talks about wanting that fight back. Overall so excited to see Shogun in the mix. One of my faves. he will definetly make waves. I see him becoming Champ in the UFC sometime in the future.

Hendo’s chin will prevail. Shogun’s presence will definitely shake things up.

I have also jumped on the Hendo Bandwagon. I do not see how rampage can beat him. He has one of the greatest chins ever, He was an olympic wrestler, and now he has knock out power. He is like if you combine Couteurs wrestling, with Nog’s Chin and gave him one hell of a right hand.

Shogun will be champ. If they treat him like rampage and give him a title shot after one fight, then he will be champ fast. If they try to build him up first, then he will be the champ a little later. Either way, he will have the belt.

Unlike Rampage I think the UFC will build Shogun, as we all know the Chuck vs Rampage feud was already in place and while I and many think the UFC were a bit premature in unleashing it at least the relevent tension was in place to allow for hype, build up…etc

Shogun on the other hand I feel will get 2 or 3 match-ups before getting a title shot. His youth will be on his side, with Dana not worrying if he takes a unlikely but possible set back along the way. Reckon he may have one fight to break him into UFC against an Elvis Sinosic type character (Whipping boy!) and then be fed the fall out of Rashad and Tito.

With Chuck and Wanderlei knocking around be interesting what the UFC does with this division, but one things for sure, unless Wanderlei destroys whoever he fights next….Dana will be putting Mr Shogun as top of his chutebox priorities.

Maybe Ramp can beat Dan,,but that’s not for sure.
 Rampage KO,tko round 1,2,3. Hendo by tko round 4,5 un/dec. !!!!

Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah!

dont think so
rampage will go on a run

Maybe Ramp can beat Dan,,but that’s not for sure.
Rampage KO,tko round 1,2,3. Hendo by tko round 4,5 un/dec. !!!!

oh its for sure

Reckon he may have one fight to break him into UFC against an Elvis Sinosic type character (Whipping boy!) and then be fed the fall out of Rashad and Tito.

I really hope not. would be a shame to see ufc waste time trying to build him up. at the very least they should let him kill forrest

I have also jumped on the Hendo Bandwagon. I do not see how rampage can beat him. He has one of the greatest chins ever, He was an olympic wrestler, and now he has knock out power. He is like if you combine Couteurs wrestling, with Nog’s Chin and gave him one hell of a right hand.

but like a mini not as strong version. is dans right bigger than chucks? dont think so. rampage ko round 1 or if they take a bit to feel it out maybe 2

It’s been a little while since I last post here, but I had to comment on this post. Shogun is for real you guys. and when he makes a statement he is not some fighter just talking out of his ass. After seeing for myself what he can do in Pride. I fully expect him to be dominating this division very soon. It may take Dana a little while to give him a title shot, but regardless he could dominate.

UFC LHW division is gonna be fun

How about Forrest Griffin vs Shogun? I think its kinda interesting fight…

dont think so
rampage will go on a run

Holy shit. Just about twenty minutes ago I just saw Sokoujdou at Dennys. Got a picture. Better believe ill be showing that off tomorrow.

Holy shit. Just about twenty minutes ago I just saw Sokoujdou at Dennys. Got a picture. Better believe ill be showing that off tomorrow.

Can’t Wait :)

I am a shogun fan and I think he will do great, but I would like to see Rampage hold the belt for a while. The UFC needs to build these guys better. I hate to see the belt bounce around, and it is not good for business.

Later
Chris Valentine

As for him picking Rampage over Hendo…I agree. Rampage aresenal is too much and will overwhelm Hendo as long as he can stay focused.

Did I miss a fight somewhere? Since he came to the UFC, I’ve seen Rampage beat Marvin whatshisname and drop Chuck with a surprise hook. Yes, I’ve seen almost all Rampage’s Pride fights. Does he have new stuff in his arsenal? A lot of people’s imaginations are running wild. Rampage didn’t show anything different in his first fight and the second was too short to see any improvement. Show me the money!

As for Shogun, Henderson and maybe Silva joining UFC, welcome and in the words of Big John… “LETS GET IT ON!”

I can definitely see Shogun doing the same thing. Feed Shogun Bonnar!
I think Bonnar is on the 72 card. This might actually happen.

Rampage is training better than he has ever trained in his life, at this moment in time he has all the right people around him. The fighters who beat him before may not quite have it the same way this time around.

I am a huge Bisping fan being a brit and I would like to see him get a chance to fight Shogun at some point,I truly believe if they give MB a tough test he will rise up to the occasion and shine,Shogun is excelent and is fortunate to of had PRIDE as his platform to shine,but I think Bisping can steal that from him.

Give the man his Title Shot..I’ll set him up to fight first the winner of the Tito vs Rashad..throw him Bisping..and or babalu..before he fights Rampage.

Bonnar is actually listed to fight on 73’s card.

There is always so much talk about who can beat who & look at this & look at that. We’re all guilty of it at times. However, many (not all) of you need to start analyzing the why’s & how’s that culminate in a fighters win or loss. In other words, the accumulation of what takes place before the fight takes place (quantity &/or quality of opponents for example), the actual fight itself (displays of technique/mistakes made) & what specifically leads to the final outcome.

What I’m talking about is exactly the difference between CL’s losses to JH, QRJ & RC, his successful run avenging his losses to JH & RC as opposed to why he failed against QRJ. Why RC chose to end his HW run, drop to LHW & subsequent return to HW to reclaim the belt. It’s the difference between Wand vs Hendo I & II. Terry Martins win over James Irvin & Ivan Salaverry, Wand’s KO loss to CC, QRJ’s KO losses to Wand, QRJ’s loss to Rua, Rua’s loss to Babalu, etc. THe list of examples seems infinite.

Although one fighter winning against another instantly gets recorded on both’s records & in the record books, it does not immediately indicate that he is in fact better than who he just beat until the why’s & how’s are discussed & determined (AA vs Sylvia 2 anyone?). Yet even when the evidence is clear, many turn a blind eye to the truth if it conflicts with what their hearts believe.

Maybe I’m looking too deep into this or I could be dead-on with what I’m saying. Either way, my point is that Rua IS who everyone (both experts & fans alike)familiar with him says he is. Unfortunately, talent alone (GSp?)cannot guarantee a victory without the many other aspects of fighting in place to support the actual talent. Lastly, let’s not forget that age (old & young), maturity & experience play equal roles as well, acting as equalizers or advantages.

Shogun beat Rampage badly last time they fight. It will happen again soon… hehehehe

But that was in the clinch. Rampage WILL NOT get back in there. If he does it is over. I want to see what ’Page does this next time around. He will not make the same mistake.

Do you think Silva is that much better than Franklin? IMO, hell no. Franklin made a mistake by staying (wanting) in the clich. It wont happen again either.

If Rua beats him again then I will say Rua is hands down better than ’Page, but 1 fight doesnt make him King of the mountain, though he is the closest to the top. Fighters make mistakes and they pay for those mistakes (rampage paid badly though, ouch).

New outlook, new training, new environment, new results?

think it is great that hendo and shogun are comin into the LHW division in the ufc, but got to wonder, who’s gonna be left in pride?!

I think that Dana White will build up Shogun slow for two reasons

1. Because in light of Chucks KO Dana will look to milk Rampages personality for a while because Rampage has the kind of personality that is very marketable so look for Rampage to be on commercials and even maybe on a season of The Ultimate Fighter. Dana needs Rampage to take that humor and engaging personality and use it to help make his sport even more main stream acceptable.

2. By the time he matches up Rampage and Shogun he wants the crowd to know who Shogun is because he has learned from his mistake that he made in the fact that not many knew who Rampage was when he KO’ed Chuck recently. I mean even the ESPN guys knew who Chuck was and they referred to Jackson as “Chuck’s opponent calls himself The Rampage and thats what he unleashed upside Chucks head” Thats pathetic that they didn’t know who Rampage was

Dana is hoping that Hendo doesn’t win against Rampage and really the only other guy who Dana would throw Rampage in there with right away would be Wanderlie. But that wont happen.

I would like to see Shogun start by fighting Forrest and then fighting the loser between Evans and Ortiz and then maybe fighting Bisrping before getting a Number One contender match.

What UFC may want to go ahead and do is have a good old fashion tournament for the number one contender status for the light heavyweight belt. Don’t do it all in one night, but have it a round robin.. Shoot do it like Pride where you have first three rounds in one night and then have the final at a later PPV and that way they let the fighters determine who the challenger for Rampages belt will be and it will also allow Rampage some time to generate a name for himself.

SHOGUN WILL BE THE CHAMP!!!
He will rule this division for a long long time! Rampage just doesnt do well against the clinch, look at the last time he faught Rua or Silva he can’t get out and he just gets punsihed. Rua should really only have 1 loss, the Mark Coleman fight where his shoulder dislocated was unlucky!
This guy has everything going for him, youth, great clinch, KO power and great on the ground. That knee bar on Randleman was NASTY! Hendo will be a force but I think will move down to 185, even though he said he wants to stay at 205. The LHW division is getting interesting Rampage, Lidell, Ortiz, Evans, Hendo, maybe Wanderlei and the soon to be champ MR. Mauricio SHOGUN Rua! Can’t wait for things to unfold!

Another thing people seem to forget is that Shogun is a big fan of stomping and kicking people’s heads while they are down, which you can’t do in the UFC…I agree his clinch is nasty and yeah he’ll be champ one day, but if Rampage can train with better muay tai trainers and learn to neutrilize that clinch, then he shouldn’t have a problem beating Shogun or Wanderlei…oh yeah, and now that everyone is basically in the UFC, how are they going to do the superbowl of MMA now? Pride is the bush league of MMA now that it’s been gutted.

Did I miss a fight somewhere? Since he came to the UFC, I’ve seen Rampage beat Marvin whatshisname and drop Chuck with a surprise hook. Yes, I’ve seen almost all Rampage’s Pride fights.

Its all bandwagon man, then again Im a bonafied Rampage ‘Hater.’ Never has anyone said more truth than what you said about dropping Chuck with a surprise hook… half the 205 fighters in the UFC would have dropped him with that same shot.

I see a lot of excitement in the 205lb division… Id like to see Shogun versus Tito, Forrest, maybe Rashad… You know Silva is gonna have him fight 1-2 step up fights before anything, praying for a Shogun highlight reel. Id also like to see Rashad or Forrest fight Chuck… I think Chuck loosing the belt is very good for the UFC, there are a LOT of blockbuster fights that the UFC can get out of this division… with or without Henderson and Wandi.

Bonnar is actually listed to fight on 73’s card.
There is always so much talk about who can beat who & look at this & look at that. We’re all guilty of it at times. However, many (not all) of you need to start analyzing the why’s & how’s that culminate in a fighters win or loss. In other words, the accumulation of what takes place before the fight takes place (quantity &/or quality of opponents for example), the actual fight itself (displays of technique/mistakes made) & what specifically leads to the final outcome.
What I’m talking about is exactly the difference between CL’s losses to JH, QRJ & RC, his successful run avenging his losses to JH & RC as opposed to why he failed against QRJ. Why RC chose to end his HW run, drop to LHW & subsequent return to HW to reclaim the belt. It’s the difference between Wand vs Hendo I & II. Terry Martins win over James Irvin & Ivan Salaverry, Wand’s KO loss to CC, QRJ’s KO losses to Wand, QRJ’s loss to Rua, Rua’s loss to Babalu, etc. THe list of examples seems infinite.
Although one fighter winning against another instantly gets recorded on both’s records & in the record books, it does not immediately indicate that he is in fact better than who he just beat until the why’s & how’s are discussed & determined (AA vs Sylvia 2 anyone?). Yet even when the evidence is clear, many turn a blind eye to the truth if it conflicts with what their hearts believe.
Maybe I’m looking too deep into this or I could be dead-on with what I’m saying. Either way, my point is that Rua IS who everyone (both experts & fans alike)familiar with him says he is. Unfortunately, talent alone (GSp?)cannot guarantee a victory without the many other aspects of fighting in place to support the actual talent. Lastly, let’s not forget that age (old & young), maturity & experience play equal roles as well, acting as equalizers or advantages.

Wow, I think everyone should take some time read this and let it sink in…By the way you were dead on..

Its all bandwagon man, then again Im a bonafied Rampage ‘Hater.’ Never has anyone said more truth than what you said about dropping Chuck with a surprise hook… half the 205 fighters in the UFC would have dropped him with that same shot.

So that is the first mistake that Liddell has made in the UFC? If so, WOW. If not, than there have been many, many chances for those other UFC fighters to drop him but never have. Chuck got what he deserved. KO’ed. He has been asking for it for a while now. He just hasnt gone against a strong enough boxer that could put him on his back after only 1 shot. He has admitted he will take 2-3 of those “other” fighters punches to land just one of his.

Shogun is a great addition, but to think that he will dominate the division is a bit of a stretch. Don’t get me wrong he is a great talent, but I think rampage and even CHuck could contain him. Shogun is wild at times and is suseptible to getting knocked out, the fight with Nog is a good example he was knocked down but had time to recover, SO so he isn’t invincible. I think the LHW Division is the most competitve and the fights to come will be great regardless who wins.

And yes I know Rampage got killed the last time he fought Shogun.

Shogun is a great addition, but to think that he will dominate the division is a bit of a stretch. Don’t get me wrong he is a great talent, but I think rampage and even CHuck could contain him. Shogun is wild at times and is suseptible to getting knocked out, the fight with Nog is a good example he was knocked down but had time to recover, SO so he isn’t invincible. I think the LHW Division is the most competitve and the fights to come will be great regardless who wins.

this is very true..i think he is awesome and will do good, but hes not steam rolling through everyone..there is tough competition out there for him, and like you said, he does get wild…his cardio is insane though so that will help him alot in tough fights..QJ, chuck will be good fights…and i honestly think tito is a bad match up for Shogun

Its all bandwagon man, then again Im a bonafied Rampage "Hater.’ Never has anyone said more truth than what you said about dropping Chuck with a surprise hook… half the 205 fighters in the UFC would have dropped him with that same shot.

Luppers, I challenge you to watch any of CL’s past fights & show me where he did not make the exact same mistake he did against Rampage over & over again. Muto is right, it’s simply a fact of no one capitalizing on that mistake until now.

and i honestly think tito is a bad match up for Shogun

Sorry MMA DUDE I respect your opinion, however I dont agree that Tito is a bad match up for Shogun. Shogun is strong and has excellent submission skills so I would give him the edge on the ground. He has an excellent clinch and trains with Silva so I would also give the edge to Rua standing up. I think he can handle anything that Tito can throw at him and finish this standing up with Tito caught in his clinch, or on the ground via submission. Granted Tito has vicious ground and pound but I think Rua is strong enough and experienced enough on the ground to get out that

Luppers, I challenge you to watch any of CL’s past fights & show me where he did not make the exact same mistake he did against Rampage over & over again. Muto is right, it’s simply a fact of no one capitalizing on that mistake until now.

This is a Randleman – Mirko Filipovic situation here. Everyone has a puncher’s chance… anyone could have delivered that same shot, and no one could have taken it.

So that is the first mistake that Liddell has made in the UFC? If so, WOW.

I think somehow people misinterpeuted what I was saying… I wasnt saying Chuck hasnt made a mistake, I wasnt saying that Rampage didnt knock him out… Its like I said in my above post, anyone could have thrown that same punch, and no body would have not been knocked out by it. Does getting KOd by someone make you less of a fighter? It does when you spent the entire week partying like a frat boy…

MMAFAN, Shoguns wrestling and takedown defense isnt very good…His bjj is good, though its not spectacular..Yes on the feet he domiantes Tito, but Tito can take him down (unlike Chuck), Tito has done well in abu Dabi, and is very hard to submit in MMA, he is one of the only fighters that can do real damage inside someones gaurd, and has nasty elbows, im not saying Tito would win hands down, but i do think its a bad match up for Shogun…also Shogun isnt that strong, and Tito is very strong…both have good cardio

how can you not know who shogun is

Maybe Chuck is past his prime while Rampage is coming into his prime, who knows.

I really hope Chuck can do a “Couture” and come back strong to win back the belt before he gets too old. I love Rampage but I’m a big fan of Chucks also and I don’t want to see him go out like that. Maybe now he will work on keeping his hands in a more defensive posture.

What about all the fights Chuck ended in quick fashion or 1 punch fashion? Were they “lucky” or “anyone could have done that” type of fights? I am new to the board, just found it a few weeks ago, so I dont know what was said after his other fights. But I would surmise, that Chuck has dominated easily for quite some time, that since he lost there must have been something wrong or someone got lucky because no way in hell could someone whip Chuck’s ass!

MMA DUDE, I think Rua is stronger than people give him credit for. He has fought physically strong guys like Randalman, Jackson and Arona and has done well, also he has fought well against Big Nog and got the decision. However his only real loss was to Sobral by rear choke in 03. I dont remember at least in recent history Tito fighting an opponent that has medium-strong submission skills. But I think it would be an exciting fight, I would pay the $39.99 to see it, but before that I want to see how good Evans really is.

It is just a matter of time before Shogun is champion at 205. There is no need to rush him into a title shot. He is 25 years old. He can easily be champ while Chuck Liddell is long been retired and is over 50 years old.

Maybe Chuck is past his prime while Rampage is coming into his prime, who knows.

That is what really is going on.

Wow, I think everyone should take some time read this and let it sink in…By the way you were dead on..

Thats the best thing you said mr. mayn. Dude, I know this deep down inside but to put it into words. DAMN. You are dead on point!!!!

EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS LONG PARAGRAPH. ANY PERSON WHO KNOWS WHATS REALLY GOING ON WOULD AGREE.

Luppers, I think my point, like yours, was taken wrong as well. I was trying to say that the mistake that Chuck made & always makes is leaving his left hand low (sometimes both hands) & not defending after throwing any one punch. It leaves him wide open. That is what led to that nasty right hook that cost him the belt. He always does this it’s just that no one was able to take advantage of it.

How about Forrest Griffin vs Shogun? I think its kinda interesting fight…

Only interesting if you want to see Forrest get beat. The only purpose in giving Shogun a fighter like Bonnar, Griffin or Jardine is for a highlight reel.

Shogun is a elite triple A fighter, those guys are B level fighters at best. I think you give Shogun someone like Rashad Evans (assuming he beats Ortiz) or Tito. Hell, give him a rematch with Babalu.

I just think Shogun is at the next level like Chuck or Rampage. And those TUF alumni don’t belong in the octagon with him yet.

Guys like Shogun, Hendo and Rampage and maybe even Rashad are the future.

Tito, Chuck. Forrest are yesterdays news and their best days are behind them.

Luppers, I think my point, like yours, was taken wrong as well. I was trying to say that the mistake that Chuck made & always makes is leaving his left hand low (sometimes both hands) & not defending after throwing any one punch. It leaves him wide open. That is what led to that nasty right hook that cost him the belt.

He always does this it’s just that no one was able to take advantage of it.

Yeah, he does do that… you’re exactly right. Why does he drop his left hand..? He is a counter puncher. Gotta bring them in… but yeah, we could both be right!

MMAFAN, it was actually Lil Nog that shogun fought…i agree that he has done well against strong guys..but a lot of guys could knee bar randleman, Rampage didnt fight the smartest fight, and stood there w/o offering very much offense, and Arona probably wasnt at his strongest after having to take Wandy to a decision right before this fight, but even at full strength, Tito is much stronger, and a better wrestler….i would like to see this fight down the road, but not right when Shogun gets in the UFC…and youre right, Tito hasnt foguht very many ground specialists..Vitor in 05, before that it was Elvis sinocic i believe…

Dude some people can just look at other people in the eyes and know what is going on. Look at Chucks face before the fight or AA’s in the fight vs. sylvia 3. Tito Ortiz vs. CL. People try to hype themselves up by being all loud and jumping around, but for some reason I can tell that shit is all a front and can see inside them and know that these people are scared. CL vs. rage was a prime example. People saying Chuck came all intense and pissed. Thats not what I saw. I saw a scared CL. CL of course is not going to back down from the fight but it looked like to me that deep down inside CL knew he was going to loose.

Another example would be karo parisyan. I looked at him and knew that he would win. He looked like you could tell him to bet his life that he would win and he would say OK in less than a second. You can read that confidence in people and know that they going to put everything into the fight. AA on the other hand looks so unsure of himself know that I dont know if he will ever regain the title again. You cannot know much about a true fighter until he has been tested.

Noone tested Chuck Liddell in any of his fights until rampage in fight 1. Boy look how sub-par he looked in that fight. Randy tested him in fight one and slapped his ass like a little kid during it. Rampage didn’t have to win like he did the first time against CL because he was already inside CL’s head.

I have a couple of concerns. After CL lost to rampage, he never stepped foot in a pride ring again. He went back to the UFC were he knew Page was not going to fight in. If Page was not the best fighter in Pride and he wooped CL as bad as he did, do you think he came back to the UFC knowing there was less competition and more of a chance to become champion. Sit and think about that for a second. In my opinion, real fighters go to the best leagues so that they have to compete at a high level to win. Chuck Liddells next oponent after the first Page fight was Tito which he knew he could win because they both will admit that Chuck was hurting tito in training when they used to train together. If you dont think tito knew that just look at the tentativeness he had in the first fight.

Maybe CL was never the champ that we thought he would be. Maybe he had everyone fooled. Maybe it took a decent fighter to prove that he wasn’t anyting at all. CL was considered the #1 LHW in the world yet noone that he had fought since Page was Ranked below #10. If thats the case, how can they justify making him #1? Maybe he was nothing after all.

Guys like Shogun, Hendo and Rampage

Dude, Hendo’s like 80 years old….

ALL ABOARD!

Big Nog and got the decision. However his only real loss was to Sobral by rear choke in 03

Lil Nog and it was a guillotine.

I am a huge Bisping fan being a brit and I would like to see him get a chance to fight Shogun at some point,I truly believe if they give MB a tough test he will rise up to the occasion and shine,Shogun is excelent and is fortunate to of had PRIDE as his platform to shine,but I think Bisping can steal that from him.

Believe it or not, I was going to put that. Shogun/Silva/Hendo all being thrown into the LHW mix is awesome, and there is bound to be a new champ in that division sooner than later, but my only opinion is Bisping will be champ. Maybe not before Silva or Hendo, but Bisping is well on his way to the top.

Believe it or not, I was going to put that. Shogun/Silva/Hendo all being thrown into the LHW mix is awesome, and there is bound to be a new champ in that division sooner than later, but my only opinion is Bisping will be champ. Maybe not before Silva or Hendo, but Bisping is well on his way to the top.

Bisbing almost got KOed by Elvis….my point exactly.

I have a couple of concerns. After CL lost to rampage, he never stepped foot in a pride ring again. He went back to the UFC were he knew Page was not going to fight in. If Page was not the best fighter in Pride and he wooped CL as bad as he did, do you think he came back to the UFC knowing there was less competition and more of a chance to become champion. Sit and think about that for a second. In my opinion, real fighters go to the best leagues so that they have to compete at a high level to win. Chuck Liddells next oponent after the first Page fight was Tito which he knew he could win because they both will admit that Chuck was hurting tito in training when they used to train together. If you dont think tito knew that just look at the tentativeness he had in the first fight.
Maybe CL was never the champ that we thought he would be. Maybe he had everyone fooled. Maybe it took a decent fighter to prove that he wasn’t anyting at all. CL was considered the #1 LHW in the world yet noone that he had fought since Page was Ranked below #10. If thats the case, how can they justify making him #1? Maybe he was nothing after all

Thank you.. As of right now Chuck has proven to be a class act by accepting his loss..but…in no way has he proven himself ever to be the #1 in the world..in the ufc maybe but world never..he had a chance to start proving that this past weekend and he failed..

Now in regards to the fear..that is right on point..being scared is what keeps you on your toes..but…when you give someone all you have and they take and still destroy you(page and liddell 1)then there is an example of a different kind of fear..the kind of fear you sometimes have no controll over…
If chuck liddell would have walked in there w/ the same mentallity he had in their first fight the fight would have been different but this time you could tell he was weary of Page’s right hand which prevented chuck from fighting the typical chuck fight.. and the typical chuck fight is what has made him such a dominant force in the ufc..

The bottom line is that he didn’t keep distance in this fight to be tactful he did it because he was aware of the potential danger that a simple mistake would put him in…

other possible outcomes of the fight..
1. GNP rampage wins
2. slam crazy until ko rampage wins..
3. ko in any other round..rampage wins..

Dude some people can just look at other people in the eyes and know what is going on. Look at Chucks face before the fight or AA’s in the fight vs. sylvia 3. Tito Ortiz vs. CL. People try to hype themselves up by being all loud and jumping around, but for some reason I can tell that shit is all a front and can see inside them and know that these people are scared. CL vs. rage was a prime example. People saying Chuck came all intense and pissed. Thats not what I saw. I saw a scared CL. CL of course is not going to back down from the fight but it looked like to me that deep down inside CL knew he was going to loose.

Another example would be karo parisyan. I looked at him and knew that he would win. He looked like you could tell him to bet his life that he would win and he would say OK in less than a second. You can read that confidence in people and know that they going to put everything into the fight. AA on the other hand looks so unsure of himself know that I dont know if he will ever regain the title again. You cannot know much about a true fighter until he has been tested.

Noone tested Chuck Liddell in any of his fights until rampage in fight 1. Boy look how sub-par he looked in that fight. Randy tested him in fight one and slapped his ass like a little kid during it. Rampage didn’t have to win like he did the first time against CL because he was already inside CL’s head.

I have a couple of concerns. After CL lost to rampage, he never stepped foot in a pride ring again. He went back to the UFC were he knew Page was not going to fight in. If Page was not the best fighter in Pride and he wooped CL as bad as he did, do you think he came back to the UFC knowing there was less competition and more of a chance to become champion. Sit and think about that for a second. In my opinion, real fighters go to the best leagues so that they have to compete at a high level to win. Chuck Liddells next oponent after the first Page fight was Tito which he knew he could win because they both will admit that Chuck was hurting tito in training when they used to train together. If you dont think tito knew that just look at the tentativeness he had in the first fight.

Maybe CL was never the champ that we thought he would be. Maybe he had everyone fooled. Maybe it took a decent fighter to prove that he wasn’t anyting at all. CL was considered the #1 LHW in the world yet noone that he had fought since Page was Ranked below #10. If thats the case, how can they justify making him #1? Maybe he was nothing after all.

man did chuck steal your lunch money or something?? :) i dont know what fight you were watching, but during the walk-ins it was QRJ’s eyes that were shifty. he was looking back and forth like he was nervous. chuck looked business as usual to me. anyway that crap doesn’t mean anything, take a look at the staredown between hendo vs silva 2. if it meant something hendo would have had his ass wooped.

Liddell had been spoon fed grapplers for 4 years. First striker he faces… Some of us have been saying this for a long time.

Liddell had been spoon fed grapplers for 4 years. First striker he faces… Some of us have been saying this for a long time.

all i have to say to this is NUFF SAID….

computer 10×10...two things…Chuck never stepped foot in the ring again, becuas ehe ws still under ufc contract, and he just went over there for that one tournament….alos the look in Karo Parasyian eyes, when he was practiccally kissing burkman because burkman was just as intesne, how did you know he was going to win…if one of those ugly swooping punches that burkman was throwing would have landed, it would have been lights out for Karo, regardless of what he looked like before the fight…you can be completely ready, know that youre the better fighter, and still get caught

computer 10×10…two things…Chuck never stepped foot in the ring again, becuas ehe ws still under ufc contract, and he just went over there for that one tournament….alos the look in Karo Parasyian eyes, when he was practiccally kissing burkman because burkman was just as intesne, how did you know he was going to win…if one of those ugly swooping punches that burkman was throwing would have landed, it would have been lights out for Karo, regardless of what he looked like before the fight…you can be completely ready, know that youre the better fighter, and still get caught

That look that comp 10×10×10 was referring to from Karo is the kind of look thats hard to describe.. yes burkman looked pumped up but karo had a different look and if you couldnt see that then you will never understand how a fighter reads another fighter..Its not about face expressions its about a look that can expresses the fighters feelings at that specific time..

MMA DUDE
I totally agree, you can be there greatest fighter in the world and have had a great camp leading up to the fight but once your in the cage, ring or wherever you never know! The whole MMA world is so unpredictable these days especially in the better promotions like the UFC and Pride. MMA fighters these days know that they have to be well versed in everything to be competitive in a sport like this. The new age fighters are starting younger and benefiting from the teachings of people like Randy, Tito, Wanderlei ETC. So every time a new fights starts you really never know who will win, sure you may have an educated guess thats well calculated but that can be thrown off by a simple phrase “A punchers chance” So be intense and make all the faces you want, but you better keep your hands up, chin down and your head in the game!

Shogun is the beginning of the new evolution of mma..remember he is 25 and is not even in his prime yet…

Im a shogun fan but i still would like to think that every man regardless of the skill level should have to work his up from the bottom to the top..

mr mayn, youre right i dont know how fighters read other fighters, i know how to read myself, i only know what im thinking, if i could go over my opponants everyfight, every prefight, i could maybe see some kind of expressions that show me one thing or another, probably not, you dont know karo, you dont know what he was thinking, dont act like you do…never judge a book by its cover

mr mayn, youre right i dont know how fighters read other fighters, i know how to read myself, i only know what im thinking, if i could go over my opponants everyfight, every prefight, i could maybe see some kind of expressions that show me one thing or another, probably not, you dont know karo, you dont know what he was thinking, dont act like you do…never judge a book by its cover

you are so lost and STUPID i never said i know what he thinking.. i just said that the confidence a man portrays by the look in his face says a lot about fighter himself…that does not predict the outcome of the fight it just shows that the fighter is going to give it his all.. By the way I can tell your not a fighter because reading your opponent is very important when your fighting..

mr mayn, youre right i dont know how fighters read other fighters, i know how to read myself, i only know what im thinking, if i could go over my opponants everyfight, every prefight, i could maybe see some kind of expressions that show me one thing or another, probably not, you dont know karo, you dont know what he was thinking, dont act like you do…never judge a book by its cover

Idiotic comment. Dude you just dont have the gift. Earth-Wind-Water-Fire-Heart-facial expressions.

Thats why you are an amateur… and a pussy. You seem like the type of guy who would pick on someone smaller than you only to have that guy kick you on the teeth. You dont know how to read people, your fault not mine.

Another thing MMADUDE, you sit on this chat like your some kind of king of mma. Dude you got everyone else fool…NOT ME.
You dont know shit. Your lucky you can sit and contemplate this shit then type something profound. If we were face to face I would blow you away. You culdn’t keep up… only stutter.

MMA DUDE
I totally agree, you can be there greatest fighter in the world and have had a great camp leading up to the fight but once your in the cage, ring or wherever you never know! The whole MMA world is so unpredictable these days especially in the better promotions like the UFC and Pride. MMA fighters these days know that they have to be well versed in everything to be competitive in a sport like this. The new age fighters are starting younger and benefiting from the teachings of people like Randy, Tito, Wanderlei ETC. So every time a new fights starts you really never know who will win, sure you may have an educated guess thats well calculated but that can be thrown off by a simple phrase “A punchers chance” So be intense and make all the faces you want, but you better keep your hands up, chin down and your head in the game!

I bet you though GSP would win. Dude look at the confidence serra came out with. He looked like he would not leave the ring alive if he didn’t win.
Fat white boys please shut up acting like you know anything!

Anyone thats name starts with MMA…. shut the hell up and go back to WWE. bunch of loosers.

Another thing MMADUDE, you sit on this chat like your some kind of king of mma. Dude you got everyone else fool…NOT ME.
You dont know shit. Your lucky you can sit and contemplate this shit then type something profound. If we were face to face I would blow you away. You culdn’t keep up… only stutter.

lol, another internet toughguy.

Bisbing almost got KOed by Elvis….my point exactly.[/quote]

yeah your right Bisping was lucky to escape that first round coz Elvis was on one,
come off it man elvis had 10 seconds of that fight he can be proud of,I remember at one point in the first round seeing blood squirt out of his head,the next day he looked like he had been atacked by a bear,and MB cant of been that close to unconsiousness seeing how he escaped that kimura so good.
What I am saying is Bisping is gonna rise to the occasion, when given a tough test he will adapt and win,
dont underestimate him,you would be a fool

dudes, you dont have to read Karos expressions to know he is gonna bring it every fight, its in history, he brings it everyfight…you cant read every fighter or even everyfight…look at someone like forrst griffin, any of his fights he comes out slapping hands and smiling and shit, and then in the Ortiz fight he came out like an animal…that you can read, not everyone, everyone has different styles…im not totally disagreeing with you guys, im just saying you cant bank on expresions, theres such a thing as acting, fronting what have you,
I think i heard u quote Captain Planet, you dont know me, or what i do outside of writing on this forum…im not acting like a king,im not fronting, i write on here as a fan, im nowhere near the level of these fighters yet, but im only 22, i talk about fights and what i think about them, thats the purpose of the website, im not the one claiming i have a gift and can read people from what i see on tv……..i dont see where i come off as a guy who picks on smaller guys, i havent even been in street fights since high school,….anyways, i could give two shits what you guys think, if you think you can “blow me away” thats fine, as of right now youre the one acting like a hard ass on the internet

Liddell had been spoon fed grapplers for 4 years. First striker he faces… Some of us have been saying this for a long time.

yeah your right Chuck is crap now hes been beaten once due to a mistake on his behalf.

hel be back smashing strikers to death,trust me.

You have to be an idiot to think I was talking about fighting you over shit on the internet. Dude you are a looser.

yeah your right Chuck is crap now hes been beaten once due to a mistake on his behalf.

hel be back smashing strikers to death,trust me.

name one striker he has beaten?

Another thing MMADUDE, you sit on this chat like your some kind of king of mma. Dude you got everyone else fool…NOT ME.
You dont know shit. Your lucky you can sit and contemplate this shit then type something profound. If we were face to face I would blow you away. You culdn’t keep up… only stutter.

haha ok, whats this shit…..so youd blow me away in a debate…haha thats the dorkiest thing ive ever heard than…i guess i am the LOOSER

Nick Diaz came into the UFC at 22, hmmmmm…. interesting.

haha yeah he did, but he was training longer and fighting way before 22, also nick diaz is more skilled than me….hmmmm

I was talking about beat your ass in a MMA debate, you wouldn’t even keep up. You thought I meant fighting, haha, what a little beiiiioootch.

haha yeah he did, but he was training longer and fighting way before 22, also nick diaz is more skilled than me….hmmmm

Atleast you said it. What am I even saying, you are a WWE looser.

haha ok, whats this shit…..so youd blow me away in a debate…haha thats the dorkiest thing ive ever heard than…i guess i am the LOOSER

Thats your response? Seriously? Like I said you dont know what YOU are talking about so quit acting like you do. PERIOD.

RUA RULES! HE’D BEAT TITO IN HIS SLEEP. HE’LL BE THE CHAMP FOR A WHILE – AFTER HE FIGHTS FOR THE TITLE.

name one striker he has beaten?

Vitor Belfort

dudes, you dont have to read Karos expressions to know he is gonna bring it every fight, its in history, he brings it everyfight…you cant read every fighter or even everyfight…look at someone like forrst griffin, any of his fights he comes out slapping hands and smiling and shit, and then in the Ortiz fight he came out like an animal…that you can read, not everyone, everyone has different styles…im not totally disagreeing with you guys, im just saying you cant bank on expresions, theres such a thing as acting, fronting what have you,
I think i heard u quote Captain Planet, you dont know me, or what i do outside of writing on this forum…im not acting like a king,im not fronting, i write on here as a fan, im nowhere near the level of these fighters yet, but im only 22, i talk about fights and what i think about them, thats the purpose of the website, im not the one claiming i have a gift and can read people from what i see on tv……..i dont see where i come off as a guy who picks on smaller guys, i havent even been in street fights since high school,….anyways, i could give two shits what you guys think, if you think you can “blow me away” thats fine, as of right now youre the one acting like a hard ass on the internet

Bottom line right there. Well said. It internet arguing was MMA, the rest of you just got KTFO.

How about Forrest Griffin vs Shogun? I think its kinda interesting fight…

didnt i already say that? wont be interesting though

Liddell had been spoon fed grapplers for 4 years. First striker he faces… Some of us have been saying this for a long time.

dont agree dude… but when do i? didnt expect this from you though

Vitor Belfort

The same vitor belfort that got tko’d be Couture by strikes? CL won by decision not strikes. Any questions?

haha dude, strikes on the ground,pinned up against a fence, and it ended becuase he was cut, not on the feet whatsoever…Vitor Belforthas won pro boxing fights, and chuck won by decision yes,but decisively, and floored him once, which is a nice highlight still,….

Can a comp. calculate 10×10x10×10, Mayn, Anomaly and MMA Dude … please intellegently discuss the topic at hand. I just had to delete/edit about 10 totally juvenile comments — some worse than others.

And by the way, don’t try and write anything more regarding this silly war-of-words and name-calling. You’ll just be wasting your time — they will be deleted fast.

Shogun vs. Tito, nuff said.

my bad ufcmania.

just trying to welcome you back to a shit storm of immature antics…like the good old days, apologies

Shogun vs. Tito, nuff said.

my bad ufcmania.

NP. It just amazes me how some conversations can devolve so fast into an online spat that does nothing but waste everyones time and litter up this board with garbage.

Absolutely NOTHING good comes out of feuding with other readers — writing intelligent and well put together arguments, on the other hand, is all good.

Not too mention petty name calling speaks volumes for a person. Will someone honestly take your points seriously — no matter how good they are — if you are calling people gay, idiots, noobs, fags?

Makes ZERO sense to me.

NOTE THIS ISNT DIRECTED AT THIS SPECIFIC READER — I JUST LUMPED HIS SITUATION INTO MY OVER ALL FEELING ON THE ISSUE.

Can a comp. calculate 10×10×10×10, Mayn, Anomaly and MMA Dude … please intellegently discuss the topic at hand. I just had to delete/edit about 10 totally juvenile comments — some worse than others.
And by the way, don’t try and write anything more regarding this silly war-of-words and name-calling. You’ll just be wasting your time — they will be deleted fast.

Understood..sorry about that petty stuff..

Thanks guys.

NP. It just amazes me how some conversations can devolve so fast into an online spat that does nothing but waste everyones time and litter up this board with garbage.

Absolutely NOTHING good comes out of feuding with other readers — writing intelligent and well put together arguments, on the other hand, is all good.

Not too mention petty name calling speaks volumes for a person. Will someone honestly take your points seriously — no matter how good they are — if you are calling people gay, idiots, noobs, fags?

Makes ZERO sense to me.

NOTE THIS ISNT DIRECTED AT THIS SPECIFIC READER — I JUST LUMPED HIS SITUATION INTO MY OVER ALL FEELING ON THE ISSUE.

nicely put

In Liddells ENTIRE professional career he has faced 4 solid strikers and none since QRJ in ’03. The 4 are Pele ( 97 or so ), Vitor ( 02 ), Overeem ( 03 ), and Page.
Spoon fed grapplers.

In Liddells ENTIRE professional career he has faced 4 solid strikers and none since QRJ in "03. The 4 are Pele ( 97 or so ), Vitor ( 02 ), Overeem ( 03 ), and Page.
Spoon fed grapplers

What MTU is saying here is not up for debate or opinion. This if FACT people. I know the truth hurts but the only way to take away the pain is to accept it.

Shogun to me is a young hungry fighter and I really am a fan of his..but as of right now he has not proven to be a top contender in the ufc…so when he does(most likely) then I will be able to discuss his future as the next 205lb champ..

In Liddells ENTIRE professional career he has faced 4 solid strikers and none since QRJ in ’03. The 4 are Pele ( 97 or so ), Vitor ( 02 ), Overeem ( 03 ), and Page.
Spoon fed grapplers.

randy isnt necessarily a spoon feed no matter how you call it

shogun is the best fighter in the world right now and will dominate the ufc

In Liddells ENTIRE professional career he has faced 4 solid strikers and none since QRJ in ’03. The 4 are Pele ( 97 or so ), Vitor ( 02 ), Overeem ( 03 ), and Page.
Spoon fed grapplers.

Agree completely, except Randy, I feel Randy is just a bad match up for Liddell. I think if Randy would have tried to strike with him that he would have faired better.

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Agree completely, except Randy, I feel Randy is just a bad match up for Liddell. I think if Randy would have tried to strike with him that he would have faired better

Are we talking the new improved RC? Because the new RC would have won that rubbermatch with CL if he could time travel IMO. Actually, now that I think about it, RC made a mistake much in the manner that CL just made & CL ended that last fight with RC via Right Hook………interesting. Could that be considered foreshadowing? :P

In Liddells ENTIRE professional career he has faced 4 solid strikers and none since QRJ in ’03. The 4 are Pele ( 97 or so ), Vitor ( 02 ), Overeem ( 03 ), and Page.
Spoon fed grapplers.

How many of these were in the UFC? And Vitor was NOT considered a striker at that point in his career. He was constantly called a BJJ fighter. I dont think the brass has a clue as to who they were putting him in the cage with. The UFC sale has just been “legally” finishd 6 months or so before.

I dont think Chuck has ever been known for great technical striking,more his abilty to get in there with his tough chin and exchange,thats his bread and butter,he likes to get his opponents into a wild exchange in close and he comes off best,he is a true warrior.

Now I know people are gonna say his chin wasnt so tough against Rampage but I realy dont think anyone could of stayed up after that,when Liddell threw that body shot Rampage knew instantly where to counter and place his fist,he didnt aim it at all it was reaction from his training and he swung so hard his feet actualy left the ground and it hit Liddell perfect not only on the chin but right on the tip to give maximum snap of the neck,it was a perfect counter punch and a silly mistake by Liddell but by no means the end.

Now I know people are gonna say his chin wasnt so tough against Rampage but I realy dont think anyone could of stayed up after that

Actually, the EXACT same sequence occured in the the first bout. The exact same sequence, and Chuck took it.

well, in fairness to Chuck and Vitors bad name, i would say that chuck fought the same striker that blew Wandy away in seconds… and you forgot Guy Meztger, no big deal, i know what you guys are saying, but its not like Chuck was dodging strikers, just look where he fought most of these strikers..not in the ufc…the ufc is now getting more broad with world wide competition…more natural strikers will be coming in, when in the passed the natural strikers were in other orgs, the top fighters from the US usually have extensive wrestling backgrounds, while other countries dont grow up with wrestling, and grow up with bjj or tkd or mt…does this make sense?…i do still think that chuck can hold his own against anyone in 205

Metz was more well rounded back then than say RC or Mark Coleman or K Ran were, but still, he wasnt an elite striker in the Wandy/QRJ/Rua class.

Actually, the EXACT same sequence occured in the the first bout. The exact same sequence, and Chuck took it.

it wasnt the exact same coz he realy did hit Chuck flush perfecto on the button,Im not taking anything away from Rampage though,he countered perfectly and won.
He beat Chuck Liddell.

When the f**k are they gonna anounce Fedor coming to the UFC,or is he just gonna take lame ass fights and then retire?

Terry Martins win over James Irvin

oops, my dislexia kicked in on this statement. For any who are unfamiliar, it’s the other way around.

Shogun should be on the fast track to fight Rampage, cause he already beat him up and jackson needs revenge. Shogun should already be a top contender coming into the UFC, just as I would assume that Fedor would be.

what..??