*UPDATED*: Mauricio "Shogun" Rua added to UFC roster

i heared this rumor…i hope its true…that would be awesome. Is there anyone available for him if it were 72….Bonnar, Machida, Babalu, Forrest??, Lambert…i think someone at this level would be perfect for his first fight

Even if the Iceman does between Rampage. He has bigger things to worry about now.

WOW UFC that is awesome to hear. I hope Dana don’t get all WWE and saying shat like U R FIRED.

Rua vs. Jardine or Rua versus the loser of Ortiz/Evans would be off the chain. What do you think LongIslandGuy, who would you like to see Rua fight first in the UFC?

SHOGUN is the BUSINESS..he will be the LHW Champ soon after he shows up in the UFC..He beat Rampage so bad that I felt bad for rampage..like the ref should of stopped it way sooner..a good senario would be Rampage beaten Chuck, to set up Shogun vs Rampage 2..for the title.

That’s good news i’m really looking forward to see all the great fighters from Pride, see how they match up against UFC’s best. They should just unit the titles right now champ vs. champ. One word FEDOR!!!

Hmmm…what will be left of Pride if all their fighters come to the UFC? Some lightweights and a video library, that’s all.

I bet they’ll do a sobral/shogun rematch that would be sick. The UFC seems to like the rematch ideas and Renato “Babalu” Sobral is the only person that has truly beat shogun.

i heared this rumor…i hope its true…that would be awesome. Is there anyone available for him if it were 72….Bonnar, Machida, Babalu, Forrest??, Lambert…i think someone at this level would be perfect for his first fight

I don’t think they are going to have him fight at 72, just make the announcement then or something. I would feed him Bonnar, or if you can think of anyone who has f$$ked up worse lately, and deserves a good beating, then throw them in. I like Wanderlei Silva a lot and Rua is pretty much a younger clone (I think I read they train together too). He’s an instant top contender.

SHOGUN is the BUSINESS..he will be the LHW Champ soon after he shows up in the UFC..He beat Rampage so bad that I felt bad for rampage.

He beat Rampage too without getting a mark on himself. It was a total ass whipping up one side and down the other. Rampage got his head beat in by Silva, twice, but those were back and forth wars- whereas Rua didn’t look like he had been in a fight.

look rua is awesome but everyone needs to calm down he hasnt fought in the UFC and until he proves himself against worthy competition (evans, babalu, griffin, Chuck) then he is just a good story

It’s only a rumor. The Portuguese languange version of the site has no mention of this. These one sentence blurps down in the middle of the page with no quotes from Rudimar or Shogun, IMO, qualify as pure speculation.

look rua is awesome but everyone needs to calm down he hasnt fought in the UFC and until he proves himself against worthy competition (evans, babalu, griffin, Chuck) then he is just a good story

You do know who Shogun had beaten, and beaten badly right? Rampage, Kevin Randalman (when he was good), Ricardo Arona, Noguira…. These people would be able to handle evans and griffin. Although Rampage is on the up and up, Rampage is simply put a superman version with skills of rashad evans.

Every 205lb-er in the UFC are crapping their pants right now. I do not know of a single 205lb-er in the UFC that can beat him. The only good/possibly close fight would be Chuck vs Shogun. But we all know what Rampage did to Chuck, and what Shogun did to Rampage.

Stephan Bonner would be much better off working at a ‘Hot Topic’ in the mall than put his life on the line vs Rua. That would be a joke, whoever said that that would be a good match up.

Also keep in mind that Shogun is the best 205er in the world and he is only 25 freaking years old!!!! He is only getting better and better with every fight. His only 2 losses (or should I say 1) is to Babalu back in 2003. In 2003 Babalu was a monster, and Rua was what, 20 years old?!?!?! Then the contoversial loss to HW Mark Coleman where Shogun landed akwardly and broke his arm. The ref stopped the fight. I think Rua could have beaten Coleman with hust one arm. Well maybe not, be he sure as hell would have tried.

This kid has just as much heart, if not more than anyone in MMA, he is as talented as they come, he has the killer instinct and he is 25 years old.

The UFC vs Pride debat will always go on. But once Mauricio Shogun Rua arrives to the UFC, everyone will now who the best 205er in the world today is.

look rua is awesome but everyone needs to calm down he hasnt fought in the UFC and until he proves himself against worthy competition (evans, babalu, griffin, Chuck) then he is just a good story

Glad someone else took this one before me. Clues-R-Us has a sale going on right now. Might wanna go get one.

Still not official, but this one has been brewing for quite some time…

look rua is awesome but everyone needs to calm down he hasnt fought in the UFC and until he proves himself against worthy competition (evans, babalu, griffin, Chuck) then he is just a good story

Uh, what? Griffin is “worthy competition,” but Rampage, and Nogueira aren’t? I’d say Randleman is at Griffin’s level, too.

With Shogun in UFC now I think it only makes sense for Wand to sign with EliteXC

“You do know who Shogun had beaten, and beaten badly right? Rampage, Kevin Randalman (when he was good), Ricardo Arona, Noguira…. These people would be able to handle evans and griffin. Although Rampage is on the up and up, Rampage is simply put a superman version with skills of rashad evans.”

rampage is good, nothing special and will get demolished by Chuck, Kevin (he was good? try average) look im not taking anything away from him im just saying the UFC is different and yes he will be champ when Chuck retires, but i think we both can agree that he would hammer Mark(i dont count that loss) and that we would both like Rua/Renato 2 (only if Renato can win two or so in a row in good fashion and get back on top) but your right Rua is good and will be a champ

ViolentMike….Shogun is the shit i know, but come on..Randelman when he was good? When Randelman was good he was beat by Bas, tooled by Randy, Koed by chuck, and he actually beat Babalu……years later he fought Shogun…also the lil Nog fight could have gone either way, that doesnt take anything away from Shogun though…….and the Rampage being on the up and up comment is something i havent seen, most people tend to think he is on the decline,see his last 4 fights, Eastman makes Travis Lutter look like superman, a superman version of Rashad is a little over the top…..And I mentioned Bonnar…I think it would be a GOOD FIRST FIGHT AT if it were at 72…Bonnar is decently well rounded and people know who he is, so it would be a good fight for Shogun to get some notorioty in the US before fighting better fighters

shout outs to MoreThanUFC, you know whats up!!

look rua is awesome but everyone needs to calm down he hasnt fought in the UFC and until he proves himself against worthy competition (evans, babalu, griffin, Chuck) then he is just a good story

Yo Shogun doesn’t need to step foot into the octagon to be ranked in the top 3 LHW..He is what Tito was in the early years but much more technical..He is really young and has tons of MMA exprience and appeal.

“Uh, what? Griffin is “worthy competition,” but Rampage, and Nogueira aren’t? I’d say Randleman is at Griffin’s level"

Is Tito worthy competition? cuz if so then Griffen sure is!! I mean he got pounded by Tito in Round 1, Round 2 and Round 3 he pounded Tito and stopped his takedowns, Brave had him winning, fans had him winning, and announcers had him winning, he lost cuz of Tito being more famous which is just cheating, and thats whats happened to Griffin he was cheated!!!

“Uh, what? Griffin is “worthy competition,” but Rampage, and Nogueira aren’t? I’d say Randleman is at Griffin’s level"

Is Tito worthy competition? cuz if so then Griffen sure is!! I mean he got pounded by Tito in Round 1, Round 2 and Round 3 he pounded Tito and stopped his takedowns, Brave had him winning, fans had him winning, and announcers had him winning, he lost cuz of Tito being more famous which is just cheating, and thats whats happened to Griffin he was cheated!!!

Damn dude, you are clueless. I have a feeling that you are relatively new to watching MMA so I’ll cut you some slack.

To answer your question, tito is NOT worthy competition..if you disagree with me I’d like for you to give me the last win over a top 10 opponent that he has registered.

Your answer will go along way in showing us how much MMA knowledge you have.

In regards to the article remember that this is the same website that reported that Wanderlei Silva would fight Igor Vovchanchyn at Pride 34 and that turned out to be bogus. I hope that Shogun is coming to the UFC because he is a very exciting fighter who has an aggressive style that I’m sure the US Market will really enjoy.

MTU you finally gave it to us. I had a good feeling it was Shogun. This is awesome news. So regardless of what happens at 71 we have some real comp to go through in the 205 division next. This is a great fight for Chuck. He already proved to kill Rampage. So most likely were looking at Rua/Liddell.

You do know who Shogun had beaten, and beaten badly right? Rampage, Kevin Randalman (when he was good), Ricardo Arona, Noguira…. These people would be able to handle evans and griffin. Although Rampage is on the up and up, Rampage is simply put a superman version with skills of rashad evans.

Every 205lb-er in the UFC are crapping their pants right now. I do not know of a single 205lb-er in the UFC that can beat him. The only good/possibly close fight would be Chuck vs Shogun. But we all know what Rampage did to Chuck, and what Shogun did to Rampage.

Stephan Bonner would be much better off working at a ‘Hot Topic’ in the mall than put his life on the line vs Rua. That would be a joke, whoever said that that would be a good match up.

Also keep in mind that Shogun is the best 205er in the world and he is only 25 freaking years old!!!! He is only getting better and better with every fight. His only 2 losses (or should I say 1) is to Babalu back in 2003. In 2003 Babalu was a monster, and Rua was what, 20 years old?!?!?! Then the contoversial loss to HW Mark Coleman where Shogun landed akwardly and broke his arm. The ref stopped the fight. I think Rua could have beaten Coleman with hust one arm. Well maybe not, be he sure as hell would have tried.

This kid has just as much heart, if not more than anyone in MMA, he is as talented as they come, he has the killer instinct and he is 25 years old.

The UFC vs Pride debat will always go on. But once Mauricio Shogun Rua arrives to the UFC, everyone will now who the best 205er in the world today is.

to 97bruin im not new, and i dont think Tito is worthy competition but that fact is that many people do, including the person i got the quote from so i was making a point to her. and if you read my post then you know i never said he was worthy competition i asked her what she thought. i dont know what you know but rampage is not worthy competition for Chuck, he beat him years ago(outside the octagon) and rampage was KO’d twice by Wandy, beat down by Rua, Quinton will be KO’d early in the fight, Round 2 at latest

The only good/possibly close fight would be Chuck vs Shogun. But we all know what Rampage did to Chuck, and what Shogun did to Rampage.

And Babalu beat Shogun, look what Chuck did to Babalu?
There now that that’s settled. Lets look at things realistically.
Shogun is overrated in my book. I have been saying for ages his only real notable wins are Rampage, Randleman, and Overeem. All of which Chuck has also beat, except Rampage, which dosnt mean shit, cuz Shogun lost to Babalu, and Chuck killed him. There is no real descerning evidance that Shogun is superior whatsoever to Chuck. Shogun is def one of the best, he is very good, but the hype has surpassed him.

And I mentioned Bonnar…I think it would be a GOOD FIRST FIGHT AT if it were at 72…Bonnar is decently well rounded and people know who he is, so it would be a good fight for Shogun to get some notorioty in the US before fighting better fighters

Well, do you mean it would be a ‘good’ fight in terms of being balanced, close to even or a ‘good tune-up’ for Rua and he would most likely kill Bonnar? I’m of the latter view.

You get paid by the word for that?

Yeah, maybe I should have put one of those highly educated one liners like
- Pride sucks, UFC rules
- Chuck is the man!
- WOW UFC that is awesome to hear. I hope Dana don’t get all WWE and saying shat like U R FIRED.

I gotta hand it to Dana though. He finally didn’t feed his golden boy Chuck easy competion – meaning the fighters that have fought Chuck do not have the right styles to compete with him. Who moved forward while fighting Chuck? Rampage whooped his ass and Vitor Belfort who brought Chuck the distance.

Shogun is a beast, but im not getting ahead of myself. I bought into the Heath Herring and Cro Cop hype and it just let me down. EVeryone crowned Cro Cop the uncrowned champ as soon as he signed including myself and we were all wrong. I gotta agree with MTUFC this is a good story, but he needs to prove himself before I start declaring him better than any of the top 5 current 215’ers.

I am just curious….

I would like to see who/how some of the major posters in this site would rank the top 3 205-ers in the world today.

MTU you finally gave it to us. I had a good feeling it was Shogun. This is awesome news. So regardless of what happens at 71 we have some real comp to go through in the 205 division next. This is a great fight for Chuck. He already proved to kill Rampage. So most likely were looking at Rua/Liddell.

Actually, Stafo, I could say that this was the announcement I was holding back, but that’s wouldnt be true. I try my damndest to live by my personal bushido, so I must say this isnt it. I’ve been hearing this for awhile, as Jesse also alluded to, but we needed to wait until someone somewhere popped it up. Chute Boxe has posted stuff that hasnt lived up, yes, but the NSAC stopped Wandy from fighting, it wasnt a disingenious posting by CB.
No, actually, this deal here, and some others, are holding up the guy I’ve been waiting for. Mania knows who it is, so he can back me up if and when it happens.
The Pride deal is holding up a lot of stuff for both the fighters and the orgs. If the Fishman lawsuit makes it even worse, the fighters are gonna go class-action to void any and all contracts for the well being of their careers. This could get real ugly real soon.
But I did tell ya’ll that 72 woulda stay that way….

to 97bruin im not new, and i dont think Tito is worthy competition but that fact is that many people do, including the person i got the quote from so i was making a point to her. and if you read my post then you know i never said he was worthy competition i asked her what she thought. i dont know what you know but rampage is not worthy competition for Chuck, he beat him years ago(outside the octagon) and rampage was KO’d twice by Wandy, beat down by Rua, Quinton will be KO’d early in the fight, Round 2 at latest

I think everyone makes too much of Rampage losing twice to Wandy. The first time was the SAME NIGHT after he fought Chuck Liddell. The second time, Rampage was beating Wandy’s ass until the ref stood them up.

As for Rampage/Rua….well, idk what to say about that one, that was an ugly beating

Dang violent mike.
I can name who I think are the top, but in no particular order.
ALl I know is I would def put Chuck, Shogun, Wandi, Rampage(or at least we’ll see).
Like I said those are some of the top.
After that, it gets so close and cloudy it is hard to really go by anything but the statistics which all the sites base there rankings on anyway. In my opinion, the LHW is the trickiest to rank.
Give Machida some legit competition and we’ll see.
Bisping will hit his limit pretty soon here I think.
Jardine again needs a little more legit competition.
Those 4 I named in my opinion are on a level far above everyone else right now, but shoot, of all fighters, Hendo I think is the closest to there level.

look rua is awesome but everyone needs to calm down he hasnt fought in the UFC and until he proves himself against worthy competition (evans, babalu, griffin, Chuck) then he is just a good story

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Dont crown people before they have fought, its MMA and anyone who knows anything knows it only takes one punch or kick to end a fight (cro cop, rua[landing awkwardly and breaking arm]etc.) lets just stay calm til he actually beats Chuck and becomes champ

etc.) lets just stay calm til he actually beats Chuck and becomes champ

Ain’t gonna happen.

Top 5 LHW

1. Chuck Liddell
2. Shougun Rua
3. Wanderlai Silva
4. Rampage Jackson
5. Dan Henderson

I am just curious….

I would like to see who/how some of the major posters in this site would rank the top 3 205-ers in the world today.

I am just curious….

I would like to see who/how some of the major posters in this site would rank the top 3 205-ers in the world today.

Right now, as we sit here,

Shogun, no question.
Chuck 2-3 slight edge to Nyquil
Wandy 2-3 ( Crocop and being sick as shit against Hendo doesnt count…yet )
Soko
Lil Nog
QRJ
Machida
Rah
My top 8. Tough to name 5-7. I put Nog over QRJ because I dont think many on that list can even beat him, but obviously Soko and Rua have. Wandy is still Wandy until he loses to a 205er when he is relatively healthy. If he wasnt in the hospital the day before Hendo, that fight ends in the first via vicious MT. Machida is one fight away from being in the top 5. Rah needs to beat Tito, and then fight a top 3 guy to move anywhere in my book. Ortiz aint on the list because he’s a joke. And Soko, well, we’ve all anointed either Chuck or Shogun as the best, but we may all be wrong….

I am just curious….

I would like to see who/how some of the major posters in this site would rank the top 3 205-ers in the world today.[/quote]

Yeah, looks good to me.

Hendo I think is the closest to there level.

Anomaly, Agreed. Dan Henderson is the man, and is among my top 3 MMA fighters for sure! I would love to see how Hendo would do against other top 205 competition. Especially since most 205ers cut about 20 lbs, and Hendo adds pounds to come in at a whopping 199. That means by the time of the fight, he is probably outweighe by a solid 25 lbs. BUT, Hendo still whooped Wandy’s ass. I would say that the top 4 fighters I’d like to see come from PRIDE to the UFC are
1) Fedor
1) Dan Henderson (tie)
2) Wandy Silva
3) Hayato Sakurai

Oh yeah, and above all, I want to see Nick Diaz back in the UFC. He is currently on the EliteXC site.

Hey MTUFC, please send me a mail to gabbana[at]rawmode[dot]org – got an invitation for a pretty cool resource. Sry, this was the only way I knew how to contact you. Laters

Right now, as we sit here,

Shogun, no question.
Chuck 2-3 slight edge to Nyquil
Wandy 2-3 ( Crocop and being sick as shit against Hendo doesnt count…yet )
Soko
Lil Nog
QRJ
Machida
Rah
My top 8. Tough to name 5-7. I put Nog over QRJ because I dont think many on that list can even beat him, but obviously Soko and Rua have. Wandy is still Wandy until he loses to a 205er when he is relatively healthy. If he wasnt in the hospital the day before Hendo, that fight ends in the first via vicious MT. Machida is one fight away from being in the top 5. Rah needs to beat Tito, and then fight a top 3 guy to move anywhere in my book. Ortiz aint on the list because he’s a joke. And Soko, well, we’ve all anointed either Chuck or Shogun as the best, but we may all be wrong….

Alright, forgot about Soko. Definenlty on there. Lil nog, not so sure. Machida has not proven anything, who has he beat in the LHW? I agree with most besides Machida. Chuck i’d put number one.
1)Chuck
2)Shogun
3)Wandi
4)Rampage
5)Soko
6)Arona
7)Rashad

Henderson is still in question, we will see when he fights some healthy LHW. I think he will do fine. After all, he didn’t do half bad against HW Big NOG.

1. Chuck
2.Wandy
3.Rua
4.Henderson
5.Rampage
I rank Wandy over Rua due to experience, and Henderson over Rampage bc he will lose to Chuck and Henderson just beat Wandy althought i still have Wandy rated higher, but who doesnt? did anyone see that fight? good fight but i was dissapointed

Right now, as we sit here,
Shogun, no question.
Chuck 2-3 slight edge to Nyquil
Wandy 2-3 ( Crocop and being sick as shit against Hendo doesnt count…yet )
Soko
Lil Nog
QRJ
Machida
Rah
My top 8. Tough to name 5-7. I put Nog over QRJ because I dont think many on that list can even beat him, but obviously Soko and Rua have. Wandy is still Wandy until he loses to a 205er when he is relatively healthy. If he wasnt in the hospital the day before Hendo, that fight ends in the first via vicious MT. Machida is one fight away from being in the top 5. Rah needs to beat Tito, and then fight a top 3 guy to move anywhere in my book. Ortiz aint on the list because he’s a joke. And Soko, well, we’ve all anointed either Chuck or Shogun as the best, but we may all be wrong….

I can co-signing Soko 100%. I dont think people understand what he has accomplished already in such a brief career. Soko can easily become one of my official Top 3. All I need to see him do is perform from the both the top & bottom guard. Maybe I’ll never see this because his take-down defense is sick! Not to mention that the guy has 1 punch KO power!……….He trains with Team Quest for cryin’ out loud. I dont care where this guy fights as long as I can buy it on PPV I’ll be watching.

you got my top 5 so here are 6,7,8

6.Soko
7.Arona
8.Ortiz
9.Evans
10.Machida

I don’t see how Evans can be ranked above Ortiz. Jardine comes in a close 10 spot with Machida, but he’s more 11.

I dont know guys, I can rank them, but then again style wise you could very easily have the #5 guy beating the #1, but here is mine

1. Chuck (if he wins sat he avenges all his losses, he is a bad style match up for most…if he loses sat then im a retard)

2. Shogun (great standup, decent on the ground, horrible wrestling, his chin hasnt really been tested yet…young athletic, will be around for awhile, and i assume keep getting better…scary)

3. Dan Henderson ( I think he is better at MW, but he is extrememely well rounded, if he fights smart and actually uses his tools to his advantage, then he is bad ass

4. I guess Soko has to be here, on the last two fights, on his judo and wrestling credintials

5.Arona/Lil Nog/Tito/Rashad/wandy/Rampage

I dont believe wandy is top 5, guys like Arona, Lil Nog, and Tito are bad style matches for him, and after being Koed cold twice his last 2 fights, Chuck and Shogun would be bad matches for him also

Machida has yet to impress me, im sorry…

Soko may be a fluke, rashad also, we will see…Rampage hasnt impressed much his last fights, arona and lil nog are coming off of KOs, so its all messed up….Tito is a boner, but he is a big powerfull gnp guy, i think he actually would pose problem for shogun, becuase he could take him down, and might be able to light him up inside the guard..just my opinion

1. soko, i meant to say judo and kick boxing, not wrestling, but i assume his wrestling is also getting better training with dan

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Although he took a loss to Hughes years ago, I’d like to see Sakurai over here as well. He’s increased his game ten-fold since then. THe guy is plain viscious. Aoki would be nice also but I dont know if he’d be as slick of a submission artist without the tights adding that extra friction. Most of all, I am hoping for Nick Diaz to return to the UFC. That is MY DUDE!

That’s a killer tat Rua has

To bring the Hendo bangwagon to a crashing halt ( lol, top 3 ) There was a ton of talk that Hendo’s ride was just about over, until he beat a sick and dehydrated Wandy.
Lets analyze:

Since Halloween 04, last three years.
-Beats Nakamura via injury. That fight coulda been much different.
-Split win over Kondo? That guy had his ass handed to him by ever B level fighter Pride threw at him and Hendo wins via split
-Loss to Minotoro ( lil nog )
-KOs Ryo. You wanna talk joke stoppages, that one is first on the list. Dan lobbied and got it. Watch it again if you forget. It’s on DM
-Legit win over Gono
-Split win over Master Murilo
-Dec win over Misaki
-Dec loss to Misaki
-DECISION WIN OVER VITOR “I WASH CARS WITHOUT SOAP AND WATER CAUSE I’M SO WASHED UP MYSELF” BELFORT

With that resume, he’s top 3 in MMA? Hmmm, ok Fedor is 1, Shogun and Chuck are 2-3 in any order, so is Hendo 4? Over CC, RC, Mach, ASilva, Hughes ( more title defenses than almost anyone ever ), GSP, Gomi, Filho, etc? Hard to make the case he’s top 3 in MMA.
And as we all know, I love the guy. He’s in my top 10 fav fighters. I was happier than hell when he won. I thought for sure we were going to see a career end that night. Well, we may have, just not fighter everyone predicted.

Although he took a loss to Hughes years ago, I’d like to see Sakurai over here as well. He’s increased his game ten-fold since then. THe guy is plain viscious. Aoki would be nice also but I dont know if he’d be as slick of a submission artist without the tights adding that extra friction. Most of all, I am hoping for Nick Diaz to return to the UFC. That is MY DUDE!

Agree with this entire statement. Bottom up, ND is one of my top 3 fighters. Aoki is just crazy and a ton of fun to watch. Mach IS a top 5 fighter. He has no weak spots in any discipline, has fought a who’s who list of opponents ( win some, lose some ) and lately can only be beaten by Gomi ( when he pulled a Hughes and decided to stand with the best 155-161 striker alive ).
Like Dude said, lists like this are for fun, stylistically 5 may be able to beat one on any given day.

We are talking top LHW still right? Somewhwere up here I saw top MMA fighters overall… Changes list entirely

We are talking top LHW still right? Somewhwere up here I saw top MMA fighters overall… Changes list entirely

Nah, still just top 5 LHWs. Someone said Hendo was top 3 in MMA on this thread or another one. Thought it was this one, though.

I’ll be impressed with Shogun when he comes into the octagon and beats somebody. Until then, I’ll enjoy all the “expert” assumptions and forecasts.

Hopefully people won’t be eating humble pie, as with Herring and Cro Cop. I remember when they came over and were going to destroy everyone in their paths.

The point…Shogun has some awesome fights, and has kicked some serious ass along the way. But that’s all HISTORY now. He’s been beaten before, and will be beaten again.

Damn dude, you are clueless. I have a feeling that you are relatively new to watching MMA so I’ll cut you some slack.

To answer your question, tito is NOT worthy competition..if you disagree with me I’d like for you to give me the last win over a top 10 opponent that he has registered.

Your answer will go along way in showing us how much MMA knowledge you have.

In regards to the article remember that this is the same website that reported that Wanderlei Silva would fight Igor Vovchanchyn at Pride 34 and that turned out to be bogus. I hope that Shogun is coming to the UFC because he is a very exciting fighter who has an aggressive style that I’m sure the US Market will really enjoy.

This is great.Keep them coming UFC.

wow, this is a very very nice addition, i say put him in there with lyoto machida for his first fight, that would be a good ass fight, i hope he adjusts well to the ufc rules, i know he’s been known for having some good soccer kicks and shit like that…

Glad someone else took this one before me. Clues-R-Us has a sale going on right now. Might wanna go get one.

hahaha, nice

And suddenly, I no longer care who wins the Liddell/Jackson fight. Shogun will own the belt the second he is given the chance. Unless he pulls a CroCop, or St. Pierre, or a Franklin, or maybe even a Gomi.

And suddenly, I no longer care who wins the Liddell/Jackson fight. Shogun will own the belt the second he is given the chance. Unless he pulls a CroCop, or St. Pierre, or a Franklin, or maybe even a Gomi.

Liddell will win against Quinton, no doubt, but Rua will try to stand with Chuck and he doesnt have the power or chin for the bombs that Chuck drops, he aint named ICEMAN for nothing, and it wont be Rua pulling a crocop, etc. it will be Chuck be better and just plain beating him

“tito is a worthy person to fight him his last win over a top 10 lhw was in 2000 but since then he has only lost to one top ten lhw and that is chuch who just has his number remember he took some time off”

thank you george! tito is considered worthy competition i never said top five 97bruin miss took it but whatever almost all mma fighters and fans acknowledge tito as a worthy fighter

[quote post=“2184”]Every 205lb-er in the UFC are crapping their pants right now. I do not know of a single 205lb-er in the UFC that can beat him. The only good/possibly close fight would be Chuck vs Shogun. But we all know what Rampage did to Chuck, and what Shogun did to Rampage.[/quote

And what Sobral did to Shogun , and what Chuck did to Sobral. Can you see the paradox that MMAth creates?

That’s a killer tat Rua has

I did not write that. Oh man please somebody change your name. We need a sign in!!!

Most you guys are just too funny. I like and respect Shogun tons, but come on. Let’s really go down the list…Alistair Overeem: he loses as much as he wins… Next Nakamura who? What has Nakamura ever beat except Kevin Randleman? Which brings us to Randleman, oh wow I’m soo very impressed. Are we really acting like that’s an achievement? Who hasn’t beat Randleman? Who in the world is Diabate? Sounds like he should check his blood sugar to me. In short you got Nogueria and Jackson, that’s his resume. Not saying he sucks but you guys act like Chuck should just go hand over the belt without a fight. You say he lost to Babalu but that’s win Babalu was a beast? Correct me if I’m wrong but he fought Babalu like 6 months after Chuck knocked him out the first time. (Though he could have been a bit tired when he fought Babalu) All I’m saying is let him come fight then lets talk. Already crowning him LH champion seems unfair to all the people that have been fighting their way up the UFC ladder to me.

I hope he’s not as same as Crocop.come to UFC,lose his mind,,,didn’t get used to the octagon…
 If he is gonna fight as same as in Pride,,he’l beat everyone in light heavyweight division.If not,,,,Shogun is out !

I hope he’s not as same as Crocop.come to UFC,lose his mind,,,didn’t get used to the octagon…
If he is gonna fight as same as in Pride,,he’l beat everyone in light heavyweight division.If not,,,,Shogun is out !

Disagree entirely. With all the pride fights taken into consideration, there is still no evidance of that.
I agree with TOmmy’s post, except I do put more weight on the fact he beat Randleman. Randleman is a beast.

maybe they’ll announce it at UFC 71

I smell a match way Chuck.

being a brit and a huge bisping fan Id like to see bisping get the first shot at this guy,I know he is good realy good but I hear alot of people saying bisping is shit even though he walked through tuf3 and his last two opponents and has never had a fight go past the second round,I believe he would defeat him but it would be his first real tough fight and it would prove those people wrong who constantly have a stab at michael b despite his achievements.
If he were to beat shogun it would make him a huge star,I think this could be a possibility for his first ufc,I hope so and I know bisping does too

1)Chuck
2)Shogun
3)Wandi
4)Rampage
5)Soko
6)Arona
7)Rashad

WOW, it sure looks like as far as 205 lb division is concerned, PRIDE has MUCH better fighter than the UFC. Out of the 25 fighters listed above as being peoples top 5 LHW’s, there are onlyh 6 votes for UFC fighters. 4 votes for Chuck, and 2 votes for Rashad. Since Rampage had the vast majority of his fights in PRIDE, and just had one UFC fight so far, I considered him PRIDE just for this example. Rampage has 3 voets. That makes the vote count:

PRIDE: 19
UFC: 6

considering Rampage as UFC:

PRIDE: 16
UFC: 9

violentmike….thats just how they have to be ranked, record wise and strength of schedule….i do think ufc guys can hold there own for sure, style wise…by the way rampage is a ufc guy, so is cro cop..and by the looks of it shogun…
i think tito would pose problems for wandy and shogun
i think rashad and forrest would pose problems for arona(honstly)
Chuck would do the same thing to arona and lil nog as he did to tito, wandy would drop first in a slugfest, shogun would be a nice fight, but he has never fought someone like chuck. soko is still a question mark, but he has been beaten by a hackelman guy already

Dan henderson really is only there becuase he is champ, he really belongs at 185

lets see here henderson holds to title belts fights vary well in three weight classes.and white does not want henderson in the ufc because he knows henderson can take surra silva and liddells belts.no other fighter in the world could fight and win belts in three classes henderson already has in two this makes henderson the second best fighter in the world behind feder all these oyher guys can talk but no one can clame what henderson has done

violentmike….thats just how they have to be ranked, record wise and strength of schedule….i do think ufc guys can hold there own for sure, style wise…by the way rampage is a ufc guy, so is cro cop..and by the looks of it shogun…
i think tito would pose problems for wandy and shogun
i think rashad and forrest would pose problems for arona(honstly)
Chuck would do the same thing to arona and lil nog as he did to tito, wandy would drop first in a slugfest, shogun would be a nice fight, but he has never fought someone like chuck. soko is still a question mark, but he has been beaten by a hackelman guy already

Dan henderson really is only there becuase he is champ, he really belongs at 185

I agree. Well said. Violent Mike if your clearly doing a Pride Vs. UFC thing. Suggesting Pride is better with more better fighters to pull from. However they don’t anymore. All that changed. Like MMAdude said. Shogun and Rampage are UFC fighters now regardless how many Pride fights they had. If you had to suggest a program to watch to somebody new, would you say “oh watch this one it USED to have all these good fighters”
They belong to UFC now, which makes your count is way off. Besides, you did it wrong anyway, your multiplying the effect. There is not 25 fighters we are dealing with. There are 10.
Chuck/Shogun/Wandi/Soko/Rashad/Hendo/Arona/Rampage/Lil Nog/Machida.
Those are the ten fighters common to most of our top 8 or tens or whatever. 5 are UFC, 5 are Pride. The ones most people put in the top 5, 3 are UFC, Shogun, Chuck, and Rampage.
After the top ten, UFC still has many good 205ers a level right below these guys. The Pride guys taht were named, that’s basically it.

I think everyone makes too much of Rampage losing twice to Wandy. The first time was the SAME NIGHT after he fought Chuck Liddell. The second time, Rampage was beating Wandy’s ass until the ref stood them up.
As for Rampage/Rua….well, idk what to say about that one, that was an ugly beating

Good point when was the last time Chuck fought twice in one night…

Comparing the Chuck vs Babalu vs Shogun vs Randleman vs Wand vs Rampage vs Ninja…etc. just doesn’t work in MMA. Take into account: styles, age, experience, circumstance ie:GP and you end up with an apples to oranges argument even when looking at common opponents.
Finally we can see some of these matchups with the Pride acquisition and Shogun is an awesome addition, but who knows where he ranks…and with all the upsets lately it is going to be very exciting.
Too many are already looking to Shogun to beat Chuck for the title and Chuck still has to defend against Rampage this Saturday. I heard the same song and dance when CroCop signed.

Top 5 LHW
1. Chuck Liddell
2. Shougun Rua
3. Wanderlai Silva
4. Rampage Jackson
5. Dan Henderson

In my opinion

1. Shogun Rua
2. Wandy Silva
3. Rampage Jackson
4. Chuck Liddell
5. Dan Henderson

And suddenly, I no longer care who wins the Liddell/Jackson fight. Shogun will own the belt the second he is given the chance. Unless he pulls a CroCop, or St. Pierre, or a Franklin, or maybe even a Gomi

yeah I agree.. I’m thinking that CC and ST. Pierre lost because they were just too confident and when you are too cocky you lose that fear/adrenaline that keeps you on your toes..So hopefully shogun comes in as hungry as we think he is..

i love Wandy, but how can he be #2 behind only Shogun…he lossed to Henderson in there 2nd fight, there first fight was extremely close, he lossed to Arona in the first fight, got a contreversial decision win over him in the 2nd, plus, he is on a 2 fight losing streak..nothing against him, but i think some of you are living in the passed and rankings should go from date to date, and as of right now, he should not be considered #2 or even top 4….now if he gets a couple wins under his belt, then we can debate

Comparing the Chuck vs Babalu vs Shogun vs Randleman vs Wand vs Rampage vs Ninja…etc. just doesn’t work in MMA. Take into account: styles, age, experience, circumstance ie:GP and you end up with an apples to oranges argument even when looking at common opponents.
Finally we can see some of these matchups with the Pride acquisition and Shogun is an awesome addition, but who knows where he ranks…and with all the upsets lately it is going to be very exciting.
Too many are already looking to Shogun to beat Chuck for the title and Chuck still has to defend against Rampage this Saturday. I heard the same song and dance when CroCop signed.

Good point…and with all that you said into perspective I was kinda glad when CC lost and glad at all the upsets lately because at least we all know that as for present day MMA all the fights can be considered unpredictable which way more than i can say for boxing..

St. Pierre would not make the same mistake again. And both St. Pierre and Shogun are both 25 years old and the future of MMA. Still I think St. "Pierre can take both the 170 pound belt and the 185 belt, he is that gifted.

Chuck is 7-0 since their first bout. Slampage is 7-3.
Things to think about:
If CL beats Page that first night, does anyone really believe he goes on to beat WS later on?
Tourney losses are dam near meaningless in the UFC world. Few UFC fighters have ever even been in one. You have no oppurtunity to train for ONE opponent, especially on finals day. So CL’s loss and QRJ’s loss that day dont mean that much to me.
Page’s loss to Rua I feel had a lot to do with what happen with Ninja. Aint going into that again, but you know what I’m talking about.
Rampages style matches very badly for CL. I also think Shoguns style is perfect for the Iceman. May be the most perfect rock, papers, scissors circle in MMA today.
No matter who wins ( my head still says 50/50 ) in the cage, we the fans all win no matter what. This fight WILL NOT be AA v Werdum or AA v Sylvia 3. If it goes past 4, I’ll be shocked as hell.

Whoever Rua gets first time out, it wont be against a strong BJJ guy. I’m guessing wrestler or straight up striker. Machida keeps coming to mind. Fuuuuck, who do I root for in that one?

Page’s loss to Rua I feel had a lot to do with what happen with Ninja.

Couldn’t agree more…If you watch both fights in their entirety (pre and post fight as well), you can see how the decision over Ninja affected Rampage’s fight with Shogun.

I have been going through alot of old fights of late, watching Chuck and Rampage fights specifically and I am yet to see a Rampage loss where he was hurt by a punch…seems it is always MT that gets Rampage. Somebody point me to that fight if it exists. I know Chuck has TNT in both hands, but QRJ is a styles cunundrum for Chuck. It is a 50/50 fight, but I predict MT will be the difference, and that doesn’t look good for Chuck.

i love Wandy, but how can he be #2 behind only Shogun…he lossed to Henderson in there 2nd fight, there first fight was extremely close, he lossed to Arona in the first fight, got a contreversial decision win over him in the 2nd, plus, he is on a 2 fight losing streak..nothing against him, but i think some of you are living in the passed and rankings should go from date to date, and as of right now, he should not be considered #2 or even top 4….now if he gets a couple wins under his belt, then we can debate

1 of the last 2 losses for Wand was during an Open Tournament which was outside of his weight-class. I’d like to argue that the only relavent loss when ranking him at 205lbs is his loss to Henderson which would mean that he has only recently lost 1 fight at 205.

I am yet to see a Rampage loss where he was hurt by a punch…seems it is always MT that gets Rampage. Somebody point me to that fight if it exists. I know Chuck has TNT in both hands, but QRJ is a styles cunundrum for Chuck. It is a 50/50 fight, but I predict MT will be the difference, and that doesn’t look good for Chuck.

Chuck should be working on his uppercuts unless he;s been training in those MT knees.

hes going to make chuck liddell look stupid

regardless i’m excited about this guy coming over and kicking ass. Not saying he’s the best, cause he probabli isn’t but he can kick some ass. He will probably have a title fight for his 3rd ocatgon appearance, if not his 2nd.

you all talk like henderson is nothing and has never been knocked out oh by the way is the title holder in to classes.no one else can claim this.no one else can compete for titles from 170 to heavy if given the chance he would even fight coutoutre and do vary well lets see lidell or anyone else do what henderson can do n0 0ne in the worl,d can do what henderson can do

UFC needed some more big names in the light heavy weight division. Good to see Rua coming.

you all talk like henderson is nothing and has never been knocked out oh by the way is the title holder in to classes.no one else can claim this.no one else can compete for titles from 170 to heavy if given the chance he would even fight coutoutre and do vary well lets see lidell or anyone else do what henderson can do n0 0ne in the worl,d can do what henderson can do

Silva was pretty freakin sick. Henderson can hold his own historically in other weight classes, but not really win, at lest against the best, Arona has beat him, as well as lil Nog. Your right Henderson has done what no other has. Were not sayin he can’t hang, we just wanna wait and see him hang with some real LHW competition before we put him up there with the top LHW guys.
I do not think he would do so well against Couture, not at all.

Comparing the Chuck vs Babalu vs Shogun vs Randleman vs Wand vs Rampage vs Ninja…etc. just doesn’t work in MMA. Take into account: styles, age, experience, circumstance ie:GP and you end up with an apples to oranges argument even when looking at common opponents.
Finally we can see some of these matchups with the Pride acquisition and Shogun is an awesome addition, but who knows where he ranks…and with all the upsets lately it is going to be very exciting.
Too many are already looking to Shogun to beat Chuck for the title and Chuck still has to defend against Rampage this Saturday. I heard the same song and dance when CroCop signed.

Well said, I heard the same song and dance about the whole (supposedly weak) HW div. Then when CC ,Herring and Werdum came over all the sudden it’s stacked, and they haven’t beaten anybody ( Sanchez and Imes are nobodies). The best fighter aren’t dicided by majority vote.

hes going to make chuck liddell look stupid

thank you…

thank you…

If Liddell wins it’s gonna make all you guys look stupid.

k so rampage knocked the ice man out in 1 min sumthin right? The ICEMAN has melted so all u liddell fans need to get over it, the dude aint ready for the reall MMA fighters, which top top class mma fighter did he beat in his title reign neway? a 43 old randy? a tito who aint what he was, who will only be remembered for beating an over the hill shamrock?

the real MMA figther are coming…..rampage is only maybe 4th at best out of the top class pride fighers, WAIT FOR FEDOR then yo will know what uve all been missing

SHOGUN DADDY RUA IS GONA OWN THE 205 DIV, REMEMBER IT

they’ll all get old and watch it onppv, just like me lol—————————just a matter of time

the real MMA figther are coming…..rampage is only maybe 4th at best out of the top class pride fighers, WAIT FOR FEDOR then yo will know what uve all been missing

What the hell? Are you comparing HW to a LHW? Dosnt make sense. Your ranking system is obviously off. And Shogun has realy beat nobody except Randleman and Rampage, Rampage of whom apparetnly sustained an injury during the first min, and with all going on with Shogun’s brother, who knows if Rampage was even into that fight. Wandi will not beat Rampage again. Nor will Shogun, you will be very disappointed when you watch your god fall.