I dont want to see either of these two. Sylvia is boring to watch unless he is getting his ass kicked and Mir will never be the same.

Its unfortent that Frank Mir is a shell of his former self… I was just getting into the UFC when Frank Mir broke Sylvia’s arm. I loved every moment of it and remember exactly when it happened and then I also remember his accident. Its truely a crappy thing for a guy who in my books, and im sure many others, was an amzing fighter and a truely nice guy.

As far as the fight goes now, I am sure Sylvia will be just as happy, even if it is a bit of a lower class fighter now, to get some revenge on a guy who broke his arm. Im not say its likely but would it not be sweet for all the Timmy-haters if he lost to Mir again!

i hope sylvia whoops that ass, i hope he’s healthy for the fight

Trivial time:

What was Tim “The Maine-iac” Sylvia’s nickname when he first started fighting?

First right answer wins a free date with Rachelle Leah. Just kidding

“whoops that ass”
Been watching the Rampage interview have we spida?

Mir can be very scary if he puts in the cardio. I love seeing HWs with subs like his.

Grizzly bear.
Where’s my date at?

Another questionable matchup from the UFC?? Why would anyone want to see this fight? Frank Mir is a washed up fighter who looks like he ate one too many doguhnuts while recovering from his accident. And as far as for Sylvia the guy is a boring fighter. He got lucky when he knocked out Arlovski and was totally manhandled by Randy. Why would the UFC waste another fight oppurtunity to for a match up with Brandon Vera?? I would rather see Vera vs. Sylvia….

I was a big Mir fan. And I’m still pissed to what happened to the guy and where his mind is. I feel that Mir of old would of destroyed Vera and Cruz and would still be in HW mix. I might get ripped up for that one, but I think Mir was great. He was the big man that was so well rounded. It’s a damn shame that motorcycle accident happened. Although he didn’t die, we lost a great fighter that the night of that accident. A part of him died and it shows. This match may not be that bad. Sylvia will be coming off surgery and Mir is looking at his last chance. This could be compared to Hughes getting Lytle his first fight around before title contention. Miletich guys get treated well no matter what they think. Sylvia is crying about UFC not treating him right. I think it went something like “I’m use to getting kicked around by them” I like both guys, but a piece of me hopes Mir snaps out of it…LOL. Probably not going to happen but I’m good for the fight. 74 is starting to shape up!

I agree RUSS. It is about time we see Vera thrown into the mix. I am REALLY interested to see how he does with somebody who is not a pushover. The guy has some real potential. He is good, but HOW good? Won’t know untill we see him thrown in there.

Another questionable matchup from the UFC?? Why would anyone want to see this fight? Frank Mir is a washed up fighter who looks like he ate one too many doguhnuts while recovering from his accident. And as far as for Sylvia the guy is a boring fighter. He got lucky when he knocked out Arlovski and was totally manhandled by Randy. Why would the UFC waste another fight oppurtunity to for a match up with Brandon Vera?? I would rather see Vera vs. Sylvia….

The Vera/Sylvia fight does seem more realistic, but as I mentioned before you can compare this to Hughes having to fight Lytle rather than one of the other top guys in the division. It seems like these Miletich guys get a couple of passes through. Not dissing their fighting skills or credibility. i just want to see guys get shots at the titles who deserve it

The recurring theme in the UFC seems to be fighters looking to avenge a loss they suffered earlier in their career. The only problem is the recurring theme also seems to be that the fighter they lost to is no longer a high caliber fighter.
     Take Rampage and Eastman. Eastman wasn’t a threat, really. Just like Rampage hasn’t proven from his last few fights that he’s on Chucks level anymore. So Sylvia probably accepts this match to avenge a loss yeah, but more because it’s a way to make a fight that is nothing more than a feeder match not appear to be just that. It’s a good marketing strategy I guess, because they do it over and over again and it seems to work.

“whoops that ass”
Been watching the Rampage interview have we spida?

haha, yeah you got me, gotta love how rampage talks, he’s hilarious

i hope this matup isnt a main event for some eurpeon card

i hope this fight is free

Another questionable matchup from the UFC?? Why would anyone want to see this fight? Frank Mir is a washed up fighter who looks like he ate one too many doguhnuts while recovering from his accident. And as far as for Sylvia the guy is a boring fighter. He got lucky when he knocked out Arlovski and was totally manhandled by Randy. Why would the UFC waste another fight oppurtunity to for a match up with Brandon Vera?? I would rather see Vera vs. Sylvia….

does anyone of the brandon vera lovers out there ever think its possible we’re not seeing him because he’s too much of a puss to take these fights or just too greedy to fight for what he’s worth???? everytime theres a hw fight announced it always turns into a why not vera thing, he’s the one thats got the issues or we would have seen him at least twice since his last fight…

That dosnt change anything. Still wanna see him thrown in there and see how he does with someone legit. See him tested know where his limit is at ya know? It’s still hard to tell with him cause he has had not very legit opponents and has run over them all. And I have a feeling its more of the money thing than the pussy thing.

I thought Vera has a contract dispute and that is why he hasnt been fighting? I can’t quote a source other than the grapevine. Anyone?

This looks like a fight that has stinkfest written all over it. I say you make this a “your fired match”. If i don’t see a bone get snapped or see someone get their lights knocked out i’m going to hunt dana white down and demand him to give me my money back. But incase anyones wondering i’ll be cheering for Frank Mir Cuz Tim Sylvia Sucks monkey ass.

the match up isn’t puzzling at all.Sylvia has been saying he wanted it for a long time now.he doesn’t care if Mir isn’t a top contender now.and if it is Mir’s last match I’m sure he’d rather have it be against Silvia than some clown.

Vera destroyed Mir when they fought. Mir hasn’t been a UFC caliber fighter since his accident. Sylvia just lost his belt to a top fighter in Randy. Sylvia has fought most of the top talent the UFC has to offer and has at least proven himself that he can fight with the best….even though his style is questionable. I could care less about Sylvia revenging a loss from a few years ago. The UFC needs to move foward and take advantage of the aqcuisition of PRIDE. This fight is a card killer in my opinion. At least Brandon Vera would make this a more interesting fight.

i wanted to see CC vs. Silvia, but oh well. i think that silvia def wont be the same fighter after back surgery. his lil career is over.

i wish sylvia was fighting noguiera…that would be an awesome matchup

Man you guys are down on an awesome fight.

If either of them loses, they’re pretty much done, Sylvia might need a kick in the ass to come out in shape. They have both been champions. Puncher vs Grappler.

Sylvia has been plodding along in a wasteland know as the UFC HW division. Hillbilly days are over. He doesn’t belong at the top of this revamped division. And its only going to get better for fans and worse for Tim.
Look who he fought. Ricco didnt even show up, Gan McGee…whatever.
AA is the only fighter he has beaten except for Monson (by decision) and if it was grappling it would have been the other way around. Without AA around it still would have been Buentello and Eilers. Now you’ve got Randy, Nog, CroCop, Gonz, etc.
Everyone has a puncher’s chance, but that is ALL that Tim ever had. Tim isn’t being treated poorly, he just doesn’t measure up to the current talent, is not well-liked and is a dumbass hick to boot. Duh, I was injured..I mean, sorry bout that…
I try not to predict fights outright since anything can happen in the Octagon, but I predict outright that Tim will never be the HW champ again. I hope Mir comes in shape, sharp and puts it to him again.

where did my comment go?

I thought Vera has a contract dispute and that is why he hasnt been fighting? I can’t quote a source other than the grapevine. Anyone?

Answered my own question I guess.

March 9, 2007
By Sam Caplan
Special to CBS SportsLine.com

Q: Can you comment on the rumors that Brandon Vera recently turned down an offer that would have paid him a guaranteed $200,000 per fight?

DW: No, I don’t think that is true.

Q: Has the final fight on Vera’s contract been scheduled?

DW: No, I don’t think we have. I like Brandon Vera. I like him. I like him, he’s a nice kid. You know, he’s young and he’s cocky and he’s talented. And I think there’s a lot of things going on in his head right now, this is just typical stuff, it isn’t anything unusual. Everybody wants more money. Everybody wants to make more money. Everybody wants to do this, everybody wants to do that. There’s a time progression; when you’re a young, up-and-coming fighter, it takes time. You know what I mean? We’ve proven over the last six years we know how to build stars. So, you know, you just got to get the kid’s head on right and we’ll get it worked out. Brandon Vera is a good kid and we like him. We’ll figure it out.

Q: Do you think maybe he’s just grandstanding, or is there a real fear that he might go somewhere else?

DW: I don’t ever have a fear of anybody going anywhere else. Anybody who would walk away from the UFC machine is out of their minds. They’d be hurting themselves. They’d totally be hurting themselves. Let me tell you what, man, there’s a lot of Internet rumors and bulls—- out there, we treat fighters very well and the guys that are with us do very well. So, any guy that would walk from the UFC right now, especially someone we like and we’re really focused on, it would be career suicide.

Brandon vera already made a public statement, nothing signed, but siad he is sticking with UFC.

I really hope this is the fight Frank Mir of old comes back. He has a wealth of talent and just needs to get in shape.

I hope Frank Mir just beats the hell outta him and miracously puts something back together again. I’d rather see him as his old self than silvia any day.

Sylvia has been begging for this fight for a long time, he wanted it instead of Monson. I hope he gets his neck broken this time.

Another broken arm please

Brandon Vera is NOT worth $200,000 guaranteed a fight, thats ridiculous.

Another broken arm please

That would be funny shit.

This is awesome. I have always been a fan of Frank Mir, and although the motorcycle wreck has completely diminished his craving for wins, I just like the guy and what he stands for. Plus when he was on top, I like his style. I wish he would get back into shape, and dedicate his life to fighting agian. I have been watching MMA for a while now, and for some reason he is one of my favorite over the years.

Everyone has a fighter that they like really well, for some that fighter does amazing, for others that fight was once good, and that is the case for me.

Hope he Busts Silvia’s arm again.

Plus Silvia has wanted this match for a while.

Later
Chris Valentine

it is a shame frank was in the accident becase he was something special to watch b4

i too liked mir before the accident, but after the last few fights i’m pretty sure we’ll never see that guy again, i could be wrong, but i think he lost his edge

I was a big Mir fan. And I’m still pissed to what happened to the guy and where his mind is. I feel that Mir of old would of destroyed Vera and Cruz and would still be in HW mix. I might get ripped up for that one, but I think Mir was great. He was the big man that was so well rounded. It’s a damn shame that motorcycle accident happened. Although he didn’t die, we lost a great fighter that the night of that accident. A part of him died and it shows. This match may not be that bad. Sylvia will be coming off surgery and Mir is looking at his last chance. This could be compared to Hughes getting Lytle his first fight around before title contention. Miletich guys get treated well no matter what they think. Sylvia is crying about UFC not treating him right. I think it went something like “I’m use to getting kicked around by them” I like both guys, but a piece of me hopes Mir snaps out of it…LOL. Probably not going to happen but I’m good for the fight. 74 is starting to shape up!

i agree stafo as usual, except i’ll be cheering for sylvia, even though both these guys might be done for, i hate to say that about tim, but when an athlete hurts his back he’s never the same usually, especially in a sport where the other guy is trying to hurt you and will exploit your weaknesses anyway he can, but if sylvia can get healthy and mir can get his edge back this might just be a hell of a fight…

Brandon Vera is NOT worth $200,000 guaranteed a fight, thats ridiculous.

Why not? Is it because he always brings it, and is never boring to watch? Or maybe because he destroyed his last 6 opponents in 10 min. combined. Thats right, 5 guys TKO’ed and 1 sub in 2 rounds . He’s a HW GSP and he will be the HW or LHW champ soon.

We still don’t even know much about Vera, for God’s sake UFC throw him in there with some legit fighters already!! Then we will know what he is and is not worth.

I really wanted to see Herring v Vera. Heath is rebuilding and Vera hasnt fought and needs a good test. The UFC usually likes the guy who took a step down v the guy is took a step up and they meet on the career ladder. Karo v Burkman, Franklin v JMac are just two examples of that.

Yeah, I know Vera made that public verbal statement about wanting to stay in UFC, but obviously the contract STILL must not be settled out, cuz agian he has disappeared, we will hear about it one random day soon hopefully.

Man you guys are down on an awesome fight.

If either of them loses, they’re pretty much done, Sylvia might need a kick in the ass to come out in shape. They have both been champions. Puncher vs Grappler.
 
I agree, I think it’s going to be a great fight. Mir first round via severed limb. It will definitly be better than some of these 15 min dance contests we’ve been having lately (kos vs diego and AA vs FW).

Unfortunately, Mir is a shadow of the fighter he was before his injury. I’m not sure if it’s a mental thing, but he doesn’t even look like the same figher. He’s shown me nothing since his return to the UFC.

Sylvia has finally been exposed as a product of a weak Heavyweight division. Unfortunately for him, Dana White also recognized this and has been bringing more and more names into the division. Sylvia was whining for a rematch in his NBCSports.com interview because he realizes his road to the top will now be much more difficult.

does anyone of the brandon vera lovers out there ever think its possible we’re not seeing him because he’s too much of a puss to take these fights or just too greedy to fight for what he’s worth???? everytime theres a hw fight announced it always turns into a why not vera thing, he’s the one thats got the issues or we would have seen him at least twice since his last fight…

I here ya Spida. I keep asking for him because I want to see him get knocked out by one of the top HW’s

Brandon Vera is NOT worth $200,000 guaranteed a fight, thats ridiculous.

The nerve of Vera when he hasn’t fought anybody

It seems to me that the UFC is going a little far with the whole fight someone who beat you long ago routine.

Why cause they did it twice? Once with Chuck and once with Tim? Dosnt seem like that’s overboard to me. There are just always match ups like this that don’t really make sense.

Ohhhh noooo, man,it’s time to retire for MIr. after the accident he’s not ready for the fights !

Who’s the can in this fight?

It seems to me that the UFC is assembling fights based on the footage they can use for marketing purposes. “The rematch – revenge for a broken arm in the first fight – the won the belt and wants back what’s rightfully his – poopie wants to poop his way to championship” or whatever they use a catch phrases.

Brandon Vera, Jake O’Brien, Eddie Sanchez, Josh Schockman … UFC is starting to do the same mistake they did back then over again: build artificial contenders in the heavyweight division, which will ultimately make the division look weaker as soon as we start to see those guys being declared real contenders. It’s ridiculous and I hope most fans can see thru it.

This might seem like a stupid match,but it’sone Tim himself wanted if he couldn’t get re-match with Couture.I like it.

I was a big Mir fan. And I’m still pissed to what happened to the guy and where his mind is. I feel that Mir of old would of destroyed Vera and Cruz and would still be in HW mix. I might get ripped up for that one, but I think Mir was great.

Yeah- ‘was’ great. He’s poster boy for fighters who lost heart. What I don’t get is why the guy keeps fighting and why does the UFC keep him under contract? He’s out of shape and I haven’t seen any jiujitsu in his last 3 fights.
David Louiasou(sp) is another one who comes to mind. After the Franklin fight he seems to have lost confidence in himself. He lost to Swick, okay. But then I saw him lose on Bodog to some no name guy. He looked like he just wanted to go home.

i wanted to see CC vs. Silvia, but oh well. i think that silvia def wont be the same fighter after back surgery. his lil career is over.

This is a bone tossed to Sylvia- like starting Crocop off with Eddie Sanchez (who might be great someday but is inexperienced now) or Rampage against Marvin Eastman. Oh and hey, he can settle an old score too. If Mir pulls off the upset, then Dana White is going to be scratching his head. Sylvia may be a dumb lump but- he can sprall fairly well. I think he’ll keep the fight standing and pound Mir for 3 rounds and get a boring decision out of it. And the fat lady named Frank Mir will be singing… curtain close… bye bye Frankie boy.

Vera destroyed Mir when they fought. Mir hasn’t been a UFC caliber fighter since his accident. Sylvia just lost his belt to a top fighter in Randy. Sylvia has fought most of the top talent the UFC has to offer and has at least proven himself that he can fight with the best….even though his style is questionable. I could care less about Sylvia revenging a loss from a few years ago. The UFC needs to move foward and take advantage of the aqcuisition of PRIDE. This fight is a card killer in my opinion. At least Brandon Vera would make this a more interesting fight.

How about Vera vs. Werdum? I would like to have seen Vera chase Herring out of the UFC but they just committed H to fight Nog.

Man you guys are down on an awesome fight.
If either of them loses, they’re pretty much done, Sylvia might need a kick in the ass to come out in shape. They have both been champions. Puncher vs Grappler.

If Mir loses, he should FINALLY be done with a capital D. If Sylvia loses, depending on the circumstances, he just gets put on the backburner a bit longer. This matchup is all on Frank Mir.
Sylvia needs to have a fire lit under him, come out angry and swinging hard. If he isn’t motivated for this fight, then he’s a lost cause.

The nerve of Vera when he hasn’t fought anybody

Nog and Cro signed this year but I don’t know the terms.

I can answer for Cro Cop, he made a deal for 6 fights with a total sallary of $2.1 mil, so he gets $350,000 each fight ($245,000 net). This does not include any sponsorships, but Filipovic was never looking for a big sponsor to wear on his shirts or elsewhere.

the maine-iac is just looking for a piss easy fight because he knows that mir is strugeling after his bike accident and I think he is just being a pussy and taking a fight he should easily win,but I hope and have a feeling that Franky boy might just take this one and suprise everyone.He is gonna have more drive than ever for this fight and I thinks Timothy is gonna take him lightly.
My prediction is that Mir grabs hold of the same arm and cheered on by the crowd thirsty for blood he proceeds to rip it off and then to the delight of the crowd devours Tims sevoured arm in a blood crazed frenzy and then the Maine-iac dies on the way to hospital from massive blood loss.

at least thats what I am hopeing for

the maine-iac is just looking for a piss easy fight because he knows that mir is strugeling after his bike accident and I think he is just being a pussy and taking a fight he should easily win,but I hope and have a feeling that Franky boy might just take this one and suprise everyone.He is gonna have more drive than ever for this fight and I thinks Timothy is gonna take him lightly.
My prediction is that Mir grabs hold of the same arm and cheered on by the crowd thirsty for blood he proceeds to rip it off and then to the delight of the crowd devours Tims sevoured arm in a blood crazed frenzy and then the Maine-iac dies on the way to hospital from massive blood loss.

at least thats what I am hopeing for

Although this would be very entertaining I think poopie will win this one by jabbing his way to a boring decision. I say lets throw hearing in there with the two of them and call it “the Barbecue boys gone wild” and let them destroy eachother.

How about Vera vs. Werdum? I would like to have seen Vera chase Herring out of the UFC but they just committed H to fight Nog.

Vera v Werdum is a dream match to me. If Fabricio gets the cage jitters out and fights like he did in Pride, man it’ll be a war.

This is going to be either a loser-leaves-town rasslin’ match or, between Mir’s and Sylvia’s injuries, a Special Olympics fight. Maybe a little bit of both.

Hey MTUFC, heard about the Gracie-Sakuraba II bout? The Gracie-Killer will step into the ring with a Gracie (Royce) for one more time at K-1 Dynamite USA.

I have no idea why I post it here, I guess to tell people that there are actually exciting match-ups out there, althou outside the UFC and therfor control of Joe Silva and Dana White.

I have no idea why I post it here, I guess to tell people that there are actually exciting match-ups out there, althou outside the UFC and therfor control of Joe Silva and Dana White.

YouTapped — Then STOP posting here. All you talk about is taking breaks, discussion is better on other sites, BLAH BLAH BLAH.

But, for some reason, you keep coming back with your snide comments.

I appreciate the frequent tips, but your attitude friggin’ sucks.

I’m sick of it dude.

Maybe it’s time to start your own site where the discussions would be perfect and everyone would be as smart as you.

get it mania!!! i would love to see Mir take this….the thing that pisses me of about there first fight the fact that people booed Mir, in his hometown…..Mir said that if the fight goes to the ground its over, less than a minute into the fight Mir pulled guard, it went to the ground, and then came the arm bar….Mir knew it broke, herb Dean knew it broke, Sylvia knew it broke, he just acted like it didnt and told everyone that would listen that it didnt, and it cheapend Mirs championship win, which is bullshit…anyways..i will root for Mir vs. almost everyone, just hope he brings it

YouTapped — Then STOP posting here. All you talk about is taking breaks, discussion is better on other sites, BLAH BLAH BLAH.

But, for some reason, you keep coming back with your snide comments.

I appreciate the frequent tips, but your attitude friggin’ sucks.

I’m sick of it dude.

Maybe it’s time to start your own site where the discussions would be perfect and everyone would be as smart as you.

Actually my “I have no idea why I post it here” was about posting it in this thread, which is obviously about Sylvia-Mir, so the stuff I wrote would be considered offtopic. But it seems like I’m wearing out my welcome here, so yea, I’m gone for good if you choose so. In the end its your site and I respect that. Bye.

Actually my “I have no idea why I post it here” was about posting it in this thread, which is obviously about Sylvia-Mir, so the stuff I wrote would be considered offtopic. But it seems like I’m wearing out my welcome here, so yea, I’m gone for good if you choose so. In the end its your site and I respect that. Bye.

I’m not choosing. But your constant pot-shots at the site and readers are old and tired. And if you want to keep doing that, then yes, I’d appreciate it if you took your show elsewhere.

That’s not to say I don’t appreciate all the tips and other postive comments you’ve passed along here.

I don’t want to lose you as a reader, but at the same time, your comments lately are irritating.

Grizzly bear.
Where’s my date at?

We have a winner. Rachelle will call you tommorrow.

Hey MTUFC, heard about the Gracie-Sakuraba II bout? The Gracie-Killer will step into the ring with a Gracie (Royce) for one more time at K-1 Dynamite USA.

I have no idea why I post it here, I guess to tell people that there are actually exciting match-ups out there, althou outside the UFC and therfor control of Joe Silva and Dana White.

Yeah, I caught that straight away. ONE BIG problem though. Sak has a disease ( too complicated spell ) where the veins in his neck are pinched resulting in the famous fainting spell. The fight is in Cali, and the CSAC is demanding a full medical before they will clear him. Sak, once the best fighter alive, is a shadow of himself, as is Royce. I love the walk down memory lane with these two, but it’s kinda like Ali coming back and getting killed by Holmes, who then turned around in his 40’s and did the same thing.

Second part. Man, you know I respect you and would love to meet one day. Few on any site have been watching MMA for as long as my old ass, but you are so full of knowledge and information. I went through the same feelings here as you are now. We both got to see the Golden Age of this sport back in the mid 90’s. But as I recently read, we are now in the Renassaince. All these noobs are really just like we were 15 years ago. I have stopped picking on their lack of knowledge ( hard at times and sometimes Mania has to delete a post or two, thank you ), have tried to go back to the way I used to post and help educate the new fans, and just be an active member and make solid points. There are now enough people here who know me, and you, and they respect us and back us up against the “you suck, you dont know shit” comments, like spida, Chris, Anomaly, bw, Stafo, wildbill, MMA Dude, and others. It doesnt mean we always agree, but it’s about respect. I ask you as a friend to just tone it down, stay active, think about the bushido before you post, and help me educate. This site is skyrocketing to the top and I wanna keep my seat. I like to think that maybe 2%-3% of that is the ppl like you and me who have kept this site more or less on an even keel and not let it turn into Sherdog or Junkie.
Your friend as always,
MTU.
PS Aoki needs to keep his tights, I dont care what you say. ;) :D

wow lotta man lova in here you guys. it like an episode of full house! who gonna go upstairs and talk to Youtapped? Anyway I cant wait to see this fight, I wanted to see it before but I knew there was no way Mir would get the fight so long as Sylvia was the champ. Thank you Randy for making this match possible, it really could go any way but likely Tim will win.

I have been a huge fan of Frank Mir for a while, and I think UFC 74 is where is steps back into the Heavyweight Division and he gets a win.
I hope Tim gets knocked out and his arm gets snapped.

I like this fight… Mir might be able to snap out of his recent funk, or Tim might fight with a bit more passion.
God I wish I had time to read all 70 of these comments =p

I will root for Mir due to my past loyalty in his glory days. Do I hope he comes out of his slump? Hell yes. Do I think he will? Probably not, you never know but I don’t think so. Who knows how either of these fighters will show up at 74. A broken Mir versus a injured Sylvia. The surgery will come into effect no matter what anyone says. The back is brutal. In the end this fight will still be great. You can argue that UFC threw it in there for the hell of it, but I’m still glad I will get to these guys do it again. I think most will agree the fight will make or break for one of these guys, and will see who survives. I hope they realize that this not main event or co main event status. This fight should be shown on the PPV but not on the poster…LOL

You Tapped & Mania……..its all good……but YT needs to remember there are guys like me around who watched the very first bunch of UFCs but then got away from it when if I remember correctly, they started to make it crappy and gave it a bit of a wwf flavor but NOW…..I love it and will never leave it unless they start to ruin it like boxing. The point of my story is that there are other old guys who don’t know that much and were there at the beginning so cut us some slack we are not TUF noobs….

“Brandon Vera, Jake O’Brien, Eddie Sanchez, Josh Schockman … UFC is starting to do the same mistake they did back then over again: build artificial contenders in the heavyweight division, which will ultimately make the division look weaker as soon as we start to see those guys being declared real contenders. It’s ridiculous and I hope most fans can see thru it.”……

Waita minute, when was Jake O, Eddie S, and Josh S heavy weight contenders?? Brandon Vera is very good, and has great potential. Why do you think the UFC had not let him go?? Wake up man.

“Vera v Werdum is a dream match to me. If Fabricio gets the cage jitters out and fights like he did in Pride, man it’ll be a war.”

Yes, it would be a very nice match.

God, can we take ourselves anymore seriously? About commenting on other people’s fights? Gimme a break

I just watched Tim Sylvia’s interview on NBC Sports and when they showed some Team Militich fighters, they showed Rick Franklin? Is this a network that’s new to MMA blowing one, or has RF switched teams? Anyone know?

Ah, that’s Rich Franklin. Dont try to type after class.

Rich franklin is a militich fighter

I don’t think he is officially a MFS fighter. He does train with them from time to time.

MTUFC THanks for the props! As for YT I enjoy your comments man. Why yah gotta leave. Comments about some of the other guys is ok in a “give em a hard time” way. Allot of them are TUF guys, but that is what is propelling a sport that people like us have been watching for more then 15 years. Mania has to do allot of damage control with this site to ensure that new fans are treated well. Even when some new fans think they know every thing the most we can do is just say our opinion, and wait for it to prove itself. One of th biggest new fan problems, is jumping on the “new title holder” high horse. I think that one of the biggest things to understand about MMA is the surprises, and thinking that some one Like Matt Serra (The most recent surprise) is going to go on to be one of the best in the UFC is a amateur fan mistake.

As for the posts about other fights in the threads, just be specific man. One thing I learned in a college communications class, is not what you mean to say that matters, it is how you deliver it. What you should have said was, Sorry this is off topic, but I wanted to announce that…..

As for Mania, man I understand where your coming from. I am sure you get allot of email complaints on some of us. It is hard when you first start commenting on this site, because there are allot of amateur fans, and they want to call us know it alls, and say we do not know shit. I apologize for anything I may have done that has offended new fans, and I am sure MTUFC, Anomaly, and Spida, all feel the same. We enjoy this site because the threads entice great comments.

Later for now
Chris Valentine

I agree Chris with what your saying. MTU appreciate the love bro. This site has been great. I enjoy jumping on and checking what’s new, but on top of that reading all of your posts. Now as mentioned many times before there will always be new fans who plain and simple don’t know what the hell there talking about. For the most part I think there is a good group of us here who actually connect well at that level that Mainia intended when creating this site. Much props to UFCMANIA.com for allowing all of us to openly opinionate about our MMA knowledge, wish lists, and debates. It’s been great!

tim silva shall die at the hands of a bloodthirsty Mir who will greedily slurp on his blood such as a peasant slurps slop or a child sucks with vigour at the buzzom of its mother or as chris greedily sucks c***************k

sorry guys im an amature fan I cant help it

thats a joke by the way

Wow! Someone was angered by something. Just so everyone knows, Amateur fans are a good thing, means the sport is growing. When I use the word amateur, it is in a good way. There are people who are not even what I wold consider as fans. I am sorry if I offended anyone. I would never DIRECTLY attack someone Verbally, joking or not.

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Chris Valentine

I am a new fan anyway I think the first UFC I watched was 47 liddell vs Ortiz so I havnt been a fan of UFC for all that long but I have been a fight fan, since I was about 4 I been into karate and kickboxing and I have always watched boxing,even if I see two peasants fighting over a turnip I stand and watch,I never liked wrestling as a kid growing up in the UK though and I think that is what slowed my development of becoming an MMA fan,my brother would always tell me there was some wicked fights in MMA but then I would put on like CAGE RAGE or somet and to me it would just look gay on the ground coz I didnt know nothing about ground fighting but then I saw liddell vs Ortiz and I was hooked and eventualy I got quite interested in the ground fighting and now I enjoy that as much as the stand up sometimes and I have learned what is going on and I am just hooked for life.
I like the way you can put very interesting tactics in an MMA fight and I beleive it is the best combat sport in the universe.

I know that most of you lot have been UFC fans for longer than me ofcourse I live in England,but you have also been MMA fans longer than Cro Cop,
but that dosent mean you know more about fighting than him,and it also dosent mean you can predict a fight better than him does it?

I would never try to say I am a great fight predictor. Also I am not a UFC fan, I am an MMA fan. I also think you are exactly what I would call a educated fan. There are, amateur fans, and educated fans. Guys like MTUFC are educated fans who have been around for along time, and if you read previous threads, you would realize that I have made the distinction very clear that there are new fans, who are just as educated as MTUFC, YT, and all of the other long time MMA fans. I was not even a UFC fan in the beginning. I usually liked the Vale Tudo, and some of the old Antonio Inoki tournaments from the 70’s. I may only be 23, but I have watched for 15 years, and over those years I watched all the old stuff such as the Antonio Tournaments. As for Pride, I have watched since it stared in 1997, and it was my choice mma event, that is un tell UFC got bigger.

I think you are categorizing yourself as a new fan, but along with new fan you may be a educated new fan. As for me predicting fights, up to recently I have felt like I am pretty good, but there is not a person here who can say they are great at it. Recently I have sucked at prediction, but then again, If you asked us how we think the fight will pan out (ie, ground, striking, who will do what) I bet I could answer that.

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Chris Valentine

I’m not choosing. But your constant pot-shots at the site and readers are old and tired. And if you want to keep doing that, then yes, I’d appreciate it if you took your show elsewhere.

That’s not to say I don’t appreciate all the tips and other postive comments you’ve passed along here.

I don’t want to lose you as a reader, but at the same time, your comments lately are irritating.

Cut the drama guys, opinions are like aholes(aka Tim Silvias), everybody’s got one.
p.s. The length of time you’ve been watching MMA doesn’t make your opinions more valid than anyone elses. But it’s magnanimous of you to ignore the newbie’s ignorance and continue posting here…

It’s funny how quick you can go from top to bottom

I just watched Tim Sylvia’s interview on NBC Sports and when they showed some Team Militich fighters, they showed Rick Franklin? Is this a network that’s new to MMA blowing one, or has RF switched teams? Anyone know?

Hey, MTUFC, I am not sure where I heard it, but for some reason I remember hearing that Rich jumps around all the time, it’s kinda his pholosophy, to never just “limit” yourself to one place with the same group. Trying to expand his source for knowledge and training, like to get more out of it. He frequents Militech alot, but from what I hear he trains at a number of places. Not 100% sure.

The Closer,
           Again I must re comment on the same issue. I do not feel length of time is the factor in which makes a comment more or less valid. Time only is deserving of respect. I have a gentleman I dislike as a college professor, he is a real dick and know it all, but in the end he has been doing what he has been doing for many of years, and with great success, thus I show respect for his opinion, right or wrong. As with the professor, I respect people like MTUFC, and YT, due to the time they have invested in gaining knowledge of mma, but I also do not always agree with them.

Opinions are what make people individuals, and if your “opinion” is that “opinions are like aholes,” then you yourself are being hypocritical by use of the act of voicing an opinion.

Also I try to be very Generously forgiving (magnanimous) in the ignorance of “some” of the new fans and there Insults.

God I love this site (“non-sarcastic” for clarity)

Chris Valentine

Thanks for the comments guys.

On the Rich Franklin/Miletich issue, I have tried to get confirmation from a reliable source on this. Best I can get is what Anomaly said. He is officially a member of Team Extreme, essentially his own team. He trades training with other camps. He also has done a lot of fight prep for other camps looking for a BIG 185er. I hope RF doesnt become a full time MFS guy, I cant stand that camp for the most part.

Chris Valentine,

 I did say opinions are like aholes-everybody has one. I never said there was anything wrong with stating one, thus your accusation of me being hypocritical makes no sense. All I asked for was for everyone to stop all this drama, I’m a man here to talk about fighters, not someone as one reader hilariously stated interested in a “Full House” episode. Funny how you felt you were the one being criticized…

Personally i would like to see Mir win this fight. But i dont see him being in the kinda of shape he was before the accident. And in my opinion (and i like Frank alot) i dont think his cardio was really ever what it could be but certainly worse recently. Great talented fighter its a shame what happened to him. hope he comes back stronger than his recent fights but thats probably being fairly optimistic. I just dont want to see him totally gassed by the end of the first round (if it goes that far) and i hope its a good fight.

I really liked Frank He “was” a great fighter.

It is really shame.

Brandon Vera, Jake O’Brien, Eddie Sanchez, Josh Schockman … UFC is starting to do the same mistake they did back then over again: build artificial contenders in the heavyweight division, which will ultimately make the division look weaker as soon as we start to see those guys being declared real contenders. It’s ridiculous and I hope most fans can see thru it.

Ok ,Eddie Sanchez is a can but ,to put Vera in the same catagory is a joke. If you think Vera is an artificial contender then you’re in for a rude awakening. Come on Dana, Vera vs CC at UFC 74 so we can lay this myth to rest that “Vera is overrated”.

the maine-iac is just looking for a piss easy fight because he knows that mir is strugeling after his bike accident and I think he is just being a pussy and taking a fight he should easily win,but I hope and have a feeling that Franky boy might just take this one and suprise everyone.He is gonna have more drive than ever for this fight and I thinks Timothy is gonna take him lightly.
My prediction is that Mir grabs hold of the same arm and cheered on by the crowd thirsty for blood he proceeds to rip it off and then to the delight of the crowd devours Tims sevoured arm in a blood crazed frenzy and then the Maine-iac dies on the way to hospital from massive blood loss.
at least thats what I am hopeing for

I think you’re right Mcanena, I see Mir wining this one too. It takes a long time to be 100% after an injury like that and Mir looked to be in the best shape ever, with much improved standup in his last fight. Vera just made him look bad ,thats all. Mir has to know if he loses ,he’s DONE.

I think only Frank Mir knows if he can start climbing back up. If he was working 100% to be where he was when he was champion, he has to put in 200% now to get back in the HW mix. It would be a great story if he did climb the ranks. He would need his agility back, and some serious cardio work. Hard to do after an injury and being out for such a long time. I’m optimisitic because he had to have drive and dedication to climb to the top in the first place. He’s a competitor that got seriously thrown off with his bike accident, then subsequent lack of work, then another accident.