who won that fight ?

Floyd via split decision — it wasn’t that close.

That fight last night was supposed to be a fireworks galore match and it turned out to be a lackluster. I was watching ESPN today and Steven A. Smith was on it and this is kind of what he had to say about MMA and Boxing.
“Boxing is going down hill because although it is sad to say, we love to watch violence here in America, and with boxing you really do not get violence anymore, unlike UFC. Boxing now and days always go to a decision without someone getting knocked down or even knocked out. It’s boring to watch compared to UFC. Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, George Forman, those men would step in and Knock you out and thats what we the fans what to see.”
Hey at least someone is stepping up for the UFC.
Also Mayweather retired after the fight.
How pathetic is that.

No wonder why boxing is dead.

VIVA LA UFC

i think kellerman would be a good announcer for the ufc on hbo, a kellerman and randy couture combo would be a winner…

The exact quote from Lampley was this………

“Some say this was the last big fight of boxing and attribute that to the rise of MMA. While MMA is entertaining theres no fighters in MMA who are as talented as these two men tonight. MMA is light years away from what these two fighters can do with their hands.”

Kellerman than came to the defense of MMA (Is he the UFC on HBO play by play guy? Sure sounds like it). He said……

“Just to touch on Jim’s point about MMA, with all do respect I think hes wrong. There are definitely MMA fighters who are on the same talent level if not higher than both these fighters.”

MMA is not a threat to Boxing, Boxing is a threat to boxing. They really expect die hard fans let alone just regular fans to really enjoy the boxing world of today? The De La Hoya fight was garbage at most, this was supposed to be a bombshell bout between the two best pound for pound boxers. I got more excited when the warriors won the series against the mavricks.

These fucking boxing commentators need a switch kick to the temple to make them realize, BOXING IS NOT DEAD, ITS FUCKERS LIKE YOU THAT ARE KILLING THE SPORT.

Net income:

Mayweather fight: $19 million
Liddell vs. Ortiz (66): $2 Million

Give PBF 6 months to train in wrestling and kickboxing, and then let him fight Sherk or Guillard, bet he’ll get his ass whooped. Then give Vitor Belfort 6 months MORE to train on his boxing then put him against Jean-Marc Mormeck the WBC cruiserweight champ.

Ok, where exactly is he bashing MMA?

I understand that many of you are coming from a martian arts background or started watching fights when the UFC arised, but you can’t seriously think anyone in the UFC is on the same level (or higher as Kellerman put it) as BPF or DLH.

I can sympathize that many fans .. well, lets actually call them audience/watchers .. are looking for knockdowns, knockouts, bloodshed and ear-biting, but what those two demonstrated last night was amazing boxing. Its was not a spectacle to the average guy who’s only interested in being entertained, but to the boxing purists it was caviar and champagne served on a silver platter.

The thing with the best of the best is: when two guys with similiar high skills meet in a fight, its the details that matter and those are usually lost on most fans, because they lack the background and experience to appreciate them. So don’t bash boxing as a rebuttal to some comments just because you can’t comprehend what those guys showed us last night.

Kellerman and MMA seems like a nice fit. He needs a career restart, and MMA could use a nationally-recognized mainstream analyst in it’s corner.

-Tony

Give me a break…

How do you rate what level athletes are on…

#1. Success in the Sport. (Which ever one)
#2. Dedication (Training & Skill-Conditioning)
#3. Longevity in the sport. (Overall performance)
#4. $$$

Now tell me that Fedor or Chuck arnt…
Successful, Dedicated, well experienced and make $$$.

The $$$ might not be on the same level right now but give it another 10 yrs.

Your wrong many “martian” arts guys do watch a variety of sports. Boxing is a Martial art (DID YOU KNOW THAT).

I do agree that the subtle nuances and smaller techniques get lost in the grand scheme of any sports.

In hockey its all about the scoring and checking (Not the passing That gets attention)
In Football its all about the big passes or smashes (Not blocking that gets attention)
In Baseball its about the homerun/ or strike out
(not a stolen base)
In Judo its bout the big throw (Not the grip fighting)
In Boxing its about the KO (Not the Lateral movement)
In Golf its about the drive (not the practice swing)
In Bowling its the strike (not the delivery)
In curling its about the takeout (not the endless sweeping)
In poker its about the bluff or pot size (not the tells)

All these(*) get lost in the big game when joe average is watching a sport/game. I guess the point I am making is most MMA fans are more versed in multiple disciplines and understand or atleast appreciate the small things in a match.

And all the love of a sport be it Kickboxing,Judo , TKD or Boxing will make it and outperform MMA on the big stage in the future. MMA has something for everyone the strikers the grapplers.

Although some boxing matches have tons of grappling…

Youtapped nobody in the UFC is as good in boxing as mayweather or de la hoya but as Dana White said they are one trick ponys. Boxing is like a baseball pitcher that can pitch like now body else but can’t hit for shit. Or if you like Boxing is like NASCAR and the UFC or MMA is like Indy or rally racing. Boxing is specialized but MMA needs many different forms and styles of fighting which is one of the reasons boxing is boring, its 1 dimensional.

Ok, where exactly is he bashing MMA?

…to the boxing purists it was caviar and champagne served on a silver platter…

…it’s the details that matter and those are usually lost on most fans, because they lack the background and experience to appreciate them…

That bout was not caviar and champagne. Neither made a determined effort to totally dominate the other. It wasn’t a fight it was an exhibition, and the fans paid to see the former. Neither displayed the physical signs of having endured a twelve round war of attrition. If the paying public wanted details they would watch chess, and judging by the global deterioration of boxing’s fan base, that’s what’s probably happening.

Ok, so please explain the point you are trying to make as an counter-argument to mine. I simply stated: his comment can not be rated “bashing” but merely an observation. He was stating the obvious: PBF was 6 times champion in 5 weight classes, DHL was even champion in 6 weight classes. And in boxing they don’t count title defenses as new championships like in the UFC (Matt Hughes being a nine times welterweight champion .. right).

Merely the record as an amateur boxer of DLH should be enough to end this argument: 223 wins, 5 losses with 163 wins by knock-out. Along with the olympic gold medal and being the one and only person to become champion in 6 weight classes make him a living legend.

There simply is no one in MMA who comes close to the accomplishments of both DHL and PBF, so don’t even start with Chuck and Fedor (the fact that you used both names as if they are on the same level ..). Fedor could become in MMA what those two boxers are in their sport, but there’s still a long way ahead of him. I don’t even wanna comment the so-called UFC Hall of Famers.

Yes – MMA is growing, it is exciting, its my favorite sport. But you gotta put things into perspective at times. Quit the nuthugging, take a step back and see the bigger picture. Without boxing there would be no MMA, so stop peeing all over it.

boxing is DEAD

Without boxing there would be no MMA…

YouTapped, get yourself to the doctors because you’re insane. I appreciate that you’re being nuetral in your analysis of the fight and boxing overall, however, I think you need to elaborate as to why you think there would be no MMA without boxing. If you’re confusing “striking” with the fist (a technique) with boxing (a sport) we can put it down to your late night. If you’re convinced that the sport of boxing helped create MMA then I would like to point out that “striking” is utilised in almost every martial art and is by no means exclusive to boxing.

its pathetic how these people keep trying to bite at mma they make me sick Im not even gonna waste my time talking about it anymore.

BOXING IS DEAD GET OVER IT

In Golf its about the drive (not the practice swing)
In Bowling its the strike (not the delivery)
In curling its about the takeout (not the endless sweeping)
In poker its about the bluff or pot size (not the tells)

I’m gonna have to correct you on a couple of these here. I am a professional poker player and a scratch golfer and I’d have to tell you that practice swings aren’t too important. I would agree that driving is overated but I would say its the short game that is underated not practice swings. And as far as pooker I would say tells are way overated it is more about paternt regonition people like to think that all pros can stare down someone and look into their soul and while there are certain tells betting pattern recogizition and understanding of certain fundamentals is far more important than spotting tells.

The fight last night was entertaining but in no way exciting. In fact i dozed off a couple of times between the excruciating 12 rounds. Lets all just admit that boxing had its hayday, it was exciting and guys like Ali, Tyson etc are loooooong gone.

After last night, i think that was self evident.

Don’t even get me started on the commentation !
I really hope that Dana knew what he was doing agreeing to use HBO personalities during UFC cards …Jim Lampley was a joke.
Larry Merchant was absolutely KILLING me with his questioning in the post fight interviews. I think he dozed off a couple of times while asking questions. Are all these guys over a 100yrs old ? They offered nothing constructive and continued to repeat themselves over and over again.
Emanuel Steward was boring, Lennox Lewis is a terrible speaker and should in no way be in broadcasting, and Max Kellerman’s bug eyes drove me insane all night.

I am sorry, but give me Joe Rogan ANY DAY OF THE WEEK !

Boxing anylists bash MMA because they’ll be out of jobs soon…I’d try to save my butt too if no one was watching my sport anymore

YouTapped, get yourself to the doctors because you’re insane.

I love how predictable the discussions on this site are. An article or a comment are biased or state something wrong, someone corrects or elaborates on his point of view, a few guys oppose, more arguments, someone declares the other one insane/stupid/retarded.

Anyway, to answer your question: I meant this in terms of MMA being legal and allowed to air on television. Without the regulations that have been in place for boxing and the organisational structures of commissions and regulating bodies there would not have been a foundation to legalize MMA like it happened after it was forbidden. Boxing was the pioneer in taking fighting events to the television and big arenas and therfor opened many doors to other combat sports. I’m watching MMA for many years now under various names and it became my favorite full-contact combat sport, but I won’t turn my back to boxing, because I think there are still good fights and fighters out there who deserve to be watched.

Regarding the boxing v. mma debate…I dig watching both, though I do think the fractured structure of boxing is killing the sport. I also think that because of the money in boxing – and to a much lesser extent kick boxing – MMA has been much slower in attracting elite strikers than it has been wrestlers, and as such, folks underestimate what guys like PBF could do in the UFC. He’s an almost unparalleled athlete, that given a year training MMA, could roll a substantial portion of the UFC’s lightweight division. With guys like Hunt and Cro Cop the standard book on grapplers v. strikers is already starting to be rewritten.

-Tony

YouTapped, how was what Lampley said not considered bashing? No one is dissing a boxers’ record or achievements. We are simply saying that MMA is on par with Boxing and some may consider it better, it all depends on YOUR perspective. Acknowledging the fact that both sports are entertaining and legitimate is all we’re asking for, but when Lampley comes out and says that boxing is the be-all of combat sports and says that it is light-years ahead of boxing is INSANE, biased, AND delusional. Looks like someone is scared of their future paychecks.

[quote comment=“49770”]I love how predictable the discussions on this site are…someone corrects or elaborates on his point of view, a few guys oppose, more arguments, someone declares the other one insane/stupid/retarded…[quote]

You called people who share my point of view nuthuggers first. So I do agree that you are predictable. Besides, airing opposing viewpoints is why forums exist.

I partially agree that boxing definitely was the pioneer for combat sports. In the UK the authorising bodies work slightly different to [I’m assuming] the US.

ajadoniz, here is the quote (if we can believe Druby Sunshine):

“Some say this was the last big fight of boxing and attribute that to the rise of MMA. While MMA is entertaining theres no fighters in MMA who are as talented as these two men tonight. MMA is light years away from what these two fighters can do with their hands.”

Now all I see here is:
- he admits that MMA is entertaining
- he says that there are no fighters in MMA on the same level as PBF or DLH
- he says that MMA is light years away from WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR HANDS

Obviously no one argues with the first point made and as I tried to state: no MMA fighter is as accomplished as those two boxers, so he is apparently right with that one as well. Now the third point he made may sound like bashing, but to be honest: who do you consider better with his hands in MMA than those two boxers? People may argue that MMA has alot more aspects than boxing does and therfor a similiar skill level in MMA would require alot more training and time and I’d agree. But nonetheless, in my book thats not bashing but stating the obvious.

I’m not gonna get into this argument. Lampley is uneducated, just like so many here.

What is important in the boxing/MMA argument is that the Pentagon now has a BJJ/Subwrestling club that has overtaken the boxing club. Boxing is dead if the warriors at the Pentagon dont even care about it anymore. Dead, stick a fork in it, dig the grave and blow taps.

i love boxing and ufc . no one in ufc has de la hoyas kind of status he has one day maybe but no one is close to him now . on this sight sometimes its like you have to like one or the other its not a bad thing if you watch boxing . and there is a point where ufc will be on equal or not higher than boxing because unlike boxing ufc has (most of the time) the best verses the best on every card and 9 equally matched fights last night there where 3 fights all decisions with 4 poor displays and one great match …. and honestly no knock downs but a great techincal bout lets give it to boxing they delivered us a good fight and 3 weeks ufc will give us 9 …..

JUST ENJOY LET THE COMMENTATERS MAKE THEM SELVES LOOK LIKE ASSES NOT US

You tapped made the argument the accomplishments of Oscar and Floyd are far above Chuck and Fedor.
Wrong dude. It is much easier in boxing, to be a champion. In boxing you can out point, not really damage, the kind of fights that in MMA, are looked down upon. My point being there is MUCH more room, (relative to MMA) in boxing for mistakes than MMA. The fact that Chuck and Fedor have been Champs as long as they have shows extreme talent. What Chuck and Fedor have accomplished is unfathomable.
And I think there are plenty of fighters that, could get there hands just as good as floyd if they were to focus just on that. In MMA though, they don’t have the luxury of being able to focus on just one dimension.

The Anomaly makes a great point. In MMA you are forced to know more than one dimension of fighting which therefore trumps the one dimensional boxers. Theoretically, Sean Sherk will be able to murder Mr. Mayweather because he will be able to defend against the strikes and then go for the take down and sub him.

It’s like comparing a basket full of apples to a basket full of assorted fruits, which include apples, oranges, bananas, mangoes, grapes, strawberries, cherries, and tomatoes.

And I think there are plenty of fighters that, could get there hands just as good as floyd if they were to focus just on that. In MMA though, they don’t have the luxury of being able to focus on just one dimension.

Oh cmon – you are not trying to feed me, that MMA fighters are in it for the spirit of the sport and that they could be as good boxers as PBF or DLH, but they pass on the $30 million prize money, because they love getting a beating in a cage for lousy $12,000? Fighting is their dayjob and if they could make the cash that boxers make (not saying they dont deserve it), then they’d jump abroad as soon as possible.

Its funny how everyone points out that MMA is growing much faster than boxing, but no one seems to wonder where the revenue that comes with the growth ends up. After taking another look at the fighter sallaries I can say its not where it belongs. As soon as MMA sallaries go up we’ll see all sorts of new fighter, because being a MMA fighter would become profitable as well. Fedor and Chuck are great fighters, but I truly believe that there are guys out there who are better, but have not yet started with MMA due to the mediocre perspective fighters have, especially after the UFC-Pride merger (less competition among promotions => less leverage for fighters => smaller payday)

Theoretically, Sean Sherk will be able to murder Mr. Mayweather because he will be able to defend against the strikes and then go for the take down and sub him.

Sorry man, but that argument doesn’t count. Who said it would have to be under MMA rules? Why not a boxing match, since striking is the least common denominator? Thats the only way it would make sense. The other way around would be pointless.

cmon – you are not trying to feed me, that MMA fighters are in it for the spirit of the sport and that they could be as good boxers as PBF or DLH, but they pass on the $30 million prize money, because they love getting a beating in a cage for lousy $12,000? Fighting is their dayjob and if they could make the cash that boxers make (not saying they dont deserve it), then they’d jump abroad as soon as possible.

 That’s a good argument, but if your gonna compare boxings best than do the same with MMA. I know you don’t think Chuck and Fedor make 12,000 right? Oscar and Floyd are at teh top of the payday food chain, at around 25-ish, ive never heard 30. Chuck and those guys make like what? Somewhere in the range of half million a fight? With all the promotions and such they get a good million a fight. That is just fine for some people, that coupled with that fact that yes actually, I do believe a lot of these guys do love the sport. And think of it dude, its like this. My dad was a computer programer, and left due to 80% of his co-workers were canned, its goin over seas. So instead of waiting, he jumped ship and got a new job. Who (talent or not) is gonna jump in a sinking ship when MMA is taking of like a rocket? Nobody thinking past the next 5 years thats who.

And dude, I think the way things are playin out is only proving my above comment to be true. Do you see any new up and coming boxers? New guys just gettin into it that are big stars? No, there all guys taht have been in it since its glory days. Why? Cuz there are no more good boxers out there? Nah man, cuz like I said, no one wants to have a shady future, at any moment be out of a job. So they start at the new big thing, with a secure futere as far as the eye can see, MMA. Where yes, they have the talent to stand and trade hands like FLoyd possibly, but that is never exploited to the same extent because they are having to focus on the other million dimensions of MMA.
I rest my case.

I heard $30 mil last night, but does it really matter if its 25 or 30? I don’t think so.

You are right about the bad comparison. I believe that Chuck and Fedor get between 300-500k per fight, the additional sponsors don’t sum up for another half mil – maybe 150-200k if they’re lucky. Still, 500-700k per fight is a nice sallary. In your and my everyday job we get a sallary as a compensation for our work we did. In sports its also a compensation for the risks you take. And considering the much more dangerous life a MMA fighters has compared to a boxer I still think that its very misaligned. So why aren’t the fighters worth as much as boxers? Because MMA is still not bigger than boxing. Regardless of how often they say it is, its not (yet). MMA will become truly big when you have the big money in terms of high-profile companies being sponsors and television shows having a sport center or special that is dedicated to MMA.

We still have a long way and whatever commentators or boxing advocated say: take it with a grain of salt and pretend its constructive critisism. I am just here to put things into perspective and show that recent success is only relative.

I agree, I was just trying to make the argument why some people (Floyd’d talent or not) might join the less pay of MMA.
And I dunno about boxing being still bigger. Don’t the PPV buys beat boxing by a long shot? I thought I heard that, and some of the money supposedly is just going into the growth of the sport isnt it? As opposed to just to the fighters and the production poeple. Which is what boxing needs more of. The people doing MMA just seem smarter with there money.

We still have a long way and whatever commentators or boxing advocated say: take it with a grain of salt and pretend its constructive critisism. I am just here to put things into perspective and show that recent success is only relative.

But well said. Most things like that are said by people who are ignorant to the sport.

I’m gonna have to correct you on a couple of these here. I am a professional poker player and a scratch golfer and I’d have to tell you that practice swings aren’t too important. I would agree that driving is overated but I would say its the short game that is underated not practice swings. And as far as pooker I would say tells are way overated it is more about paternt regonition people like to think that all pros can stare down someone and look into their soul and while there are certain tells betting pattern recogizition and understanding of certain fundamentals is far more important than spotting tells.

I must say the this fight was pretty lame. 12 rounds, no cuts, no blood, no knock downs.
And how much did they get paid? I think I heard in the $30mil range but don’t quote me on that.

Mayweather announced his retirement and that he was moving on to bigger and better things…….like MMA?

He is quick but he sure would get his ass kicked and a few elbows to his cocky mouth would possibly slow his speech down a bit.

What does how much they get paid or how recognizable they are have anything to do with it?

The point is Lampley was saying as ATHLETES there is no1 in MMA as talented as boxers. Personally I think he’s dead wrong.

“Talent” doesnt mean marketability, accomplishment, or salary.

It means SKILL period. To say as ATHLETES that no MMA fighter has the same talent level (in their own respective sports) is ridiculous.

Thats like saying Tiger Woods isnt as Talented as Micheal Jordan b/c of the kind of sport he plays. Its asinine.

As pure ATHLETES, MMA fighters are just as talented as boxers, baseball players, basketball players, football players, and so on. Thats why it was considered “bashing” MMA b/c he made it sound like they are not athletes but entertainers and nothing more.

Plus you had to watch the fight live to see how condescending Lampley was when he said this. Anyone who saw it live knows he was taking a pot shot at MMA, period. This isnt a boxing vs MMA argument, its about giving respect to the talent level of the athletes that compete in MMA.

Lampley just has sour grapes b/c his mothership HBO has bought in to MMA and he resents it. Whether or not your a fan of MMA to deny the skill level and talent required to compete in the sport is an ignorant boxing purest who resents the success MMA has had at the expense of boxing.

I can sympathize that many fans .. well, lets actually call them audience/watchers .. are looking for knockdowns, knockouts, bloodshed and ear-biting, but what those two demonstrated last night was amazing boxing.

Jo: watch the Klitscho-Brewster fight in a couple of weeks (7th of july). I think you’ll see the amount of brutality you are apparently after. Give them 2-3 rounds to warm up before Klitschko takes him apart.

Jo is clearly in tihs for the wrong reasons. Just go to war dude. You’ll get all the brutality you need.

Plus you had to watch the fight live to see how condescending Lampley was when he said this. Anyone who saw it live knows he was taking a pot shot at MMA, period. This isnt a boxing vs MMA argument, its about giving respect to the talent level of the athletes that compete in MMA.

Well, I saw it live (free tv in my country – hooray), but was smart enough to turn the TV off after the fight and the decision because the commentators annoyed me already during the fight. Like I said: don’t give something like that so much weight. It’s a sad old man rambling, if nothing else you should feel sorry for him and let it go.

He had enough else to say because he knows that boxing is terrible and the Ufc is right behind it.

I don’t get why all you people are saying boxing is dead.How do you figure that.Alot of the fighters that made the sport so huge are either dead or retired so it’s not as exciting as it once was.Boxing will never die,hell most mma fighters practise it so hows it dead.As for Jim Lampley’s comment,I totally agree,there is no one in mma that can box like Oscar or Floyd.C’mon have you ever seen anybody as fast as Mayweather.I know I haven’t.As for Floyd fighting in the UFC I think he would lose,thats just a given there’s too much other skills involved.If it were just a boxing match he would win easy.Boxing has been around forever the paydays are high one day the Ufc will have those kind of paydays as well.

Sorry man, but that argument doesn’t count. Who said it would have to be under MMA rules? Why not a boxing match, since striking is the least common denominator? Thats the only way it would make sense. The other way around would be pointless

I believe your argument doesn’t make sense. Why would they have Sheark fight a boxing match with Mayweather? Sheark is not even one of the top strikers in the lightweight UFC division so you’d be a fool to think he could outbox Mayweather. No one has questioned this fact. What has been questioned, however, is that Mayweather said that MMA fighters have no skill and anyone can go in there and fight. So it would only make sense for him to back up his claim that they pit him against an MMA fighter in an MMA match. Obviously no MMA guy trains exclusively in boxing so they aren’t gonna match Mayweather’s boxing but an MMA match is the one that makes sense because it would make Mayweather realize how skilled the MMA fighters are in all aspects of fighting as sherk would take him down and pound his face out.

That’s true, Mayweather did say that
“Any punk off the street can go in there and street fight”
And I do agree, Mayweather with a year of training couldn’t hang.

That’s true, Mayweather did say that
“Any punk off the street can go in there and street fight”
And I do agree, Mayweather with a year of training couldn’t hang.

Could anybody with just a years training be able to compete.At least Mayweather has the cardio,speed and boxing ability to start with.

That fight last night was a gleaming example towards the reason behind the decline of boxing. Some can say it was great, some can say it sucked, but the bottom line is look at both fighters at the end of the 12. Not even looking at the nonexistent cuts or bruises, look how even after 12 rounds they were neither one even close to being outta breath. When did boxers quite leaving it all in the ring? Then to see De La Hoya not be upset but to smile and laugh though he lost? Floyd acting like he did the world a favor in his performance. To me, to do what comes easy to you and never take any chances, to coast to a point victory is not someone I want to pay my money to see.

i think most of the top mma fighters could do better in a straight boxing match than any of the top boxers could do in a straight mma fight. and just in case anyone didn’t know pbf made 10 mil because he was fighting dlh. he’s never made close to that much before and wont again unless there’s a rematch. lamply has said before that the ufc was not anything but of bunch of barfighters, so he has been very critical in the past. i used to like lampley, but not anymore. uneducated is def the right term here.

To remark on Mr. Jim Lampley’s comment. He wasn’t really wrong though he did mean it to be a pop shot at mma. Never has there been someone in mma to equal either one of the fighters from last night, in just boxing. Lampley covered himself by saying ‘with their hands’. If he was wrong tell me what Olympian or professional boxer with their records are in mma so I can see him. Now saying that, Floyd wouldn’t be so pretty if he ever stepped in the cage and mma is WAY more exciting lately. Men here actually want to Fight and not just look good. By the way, Max Kellerman knew what he was doing, he knows HBO just signed with the UFC and is vying for a position. I think he’s a kiss up and scores fights like a computer.

If boxing officials/fans didn’t make it “two sides” like the famous UFC/PRIDE nuthugging debates and realized they are DIFFERENT styles of combat sports that people can both watch at the same time (unless a MMA card is on) then we could all enjoy them together.

There’s no need to be an MMA fan or a boxing fan same way you won’t be like kickboxing is the shit mma is gay, you can enjoy multiple combat sports even if the opinions of people who make money off the sport are complete high school psychology based douchebag commentary.

no ufc fighter wud hav come close to floyd on da feet but no boxing fighter wud hav come close to any ufc fighter on da ground .so dont hate,apreciate da fighters 4 entertaining us no mather wat sport!!!!!!!!!!

ajadoniz, here is the quote (if we can believe Druby Sunshine):

“Some say this was the last big fight of boxing and attribute that to the rise of MMA. While MMA is entertaining theres no fighters in MMA who are as talented as these two men tonight. MMA is light years away from what these two fighters can do with their hands.”

Now all I see here is:
- he admits that MMA is entertaining
- he says that there are no fighters in MMA on the same level as PBF or DLH
- he says that MMA is light years away from WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR HANDS

Obviously no one argues with the first point made and as I tried to state: no MMA fighter is as accomplished as those two boxers, so he is apparently right with that one as well. Now the third point he made may sound like bashing, but to be honest: who do you consider better with his hands in MMA than those two boxers? People may argue that MMA has alot more aspects than boxing does and therfor a similiar skill level in MMA would require alot more training and time and I’d agree. But nonetheless, in my book thats not bashing but stating the obvious.

i aree wit u complettly

I felt that it was a real slap in the face to MMA what Lamp said about MMA being light year’s behind. Obvioulsy it’s in the back of their heads that MMA is right at the boxing coat tail and it will pass it up. All night I heard comments about this fight saving boxing. Or whether De La Hoya/Mayweather was the last mega fight boxing would ever have. And than the comment at the end. A direct attack at MMA on the suppposed biggest boxing fight ever. These guys are felling it. I think it gave more exposure. MMA should be proud of this day. On the verge of taking over boxing’s light MMA was mentioned on boxings biggest stage

True dat

Boxing had its hayday and yes it may have paved the way for MMA but lets not get delusional its all about money and there would be MMA eventually it would be sanctioned by someone/organization.

When I gave my discriptions of sports and what people look for as a JOE AVERAGE veiwer…

Just to defend myself a bit, why is it that every golfer takes a practice swing when chipping or putting or driving?

I think eventually boxing will be relegated to an amatuer sport like college wrestling.

Even Rocky called it quits this year!!!

The exact quote from Lampley was this………
“Some say this was the last big fight of boxing and attribute that to the rise of MMA. While MMA is entertaining theres no fighters in MMA who are as talented as these two men tonight. MMA is light years away from what these two fighters can do with their hands.”

Lampley covers boxing and figure skating. “Please don’t take away my boxing!! I’ll do anything… I’ll be a human urinal in Madison Square Garden!!”

I think eventually boxing will be relegated to an amatuer sport like college wrestling.

There is a place for everything. MMA isn’t going to kill Judo, Boxing or Wrestling as pure sports. Like you said, they will just be televised on channel 262 on your cable box instead of PPV.

boxing really has been dying a slow death since they stopped showing fights, championship fights and top conteders in general , on free tv. ican remember back in the 80s when you could see great fighters like leonard, mancini,camachoand arguello almost every week on either cbs or abc. hell im even old enough to remember seing ali fight shavers for free on abc. ppv and greed is what is killing boxing. i hope mma learned from this and never goes down this path.

I felt that it was a real slap in the face to MMA what Lamp said about MMA being light year’s behind. Obvioulsy it’s in the back of their heads that MMA is right at the boxing coat tail and it will pass it up. All night I heard comments about this fight saving boxing. Or whether De La Hoya/Mayweather was the last mega fight boxing would ever have. And than the comment at the end. A direct attack at MMA on the suppposed biggest boxing fight ever. These guys are felling it. I think it gave more exposure. MMA should be proud of this day. On the verge of taking over boxing’s light MMA was mentioned on boxings biggest stage

exactly, they keep mentioning mma because they are threatened by it, you don’t hear this kind of talk from ufc announcers during ufc shows

Boxing is gonna last forever,so is UFC,so is wrestling,etc,etc,etc.Stop arguing people.

pillows for gloves? you really didn’t expect a knockout did you? of course boxing is threatened and in a nosedive. unless these chumps with opinions never laced up with 4 oz ers and legglocked someone to the point of tears their knowledge of fighting is very limited.

pillows for gloves,.are u kiddin me have u ever been hit with a boxing glove.They’re rock hard.You can be split open just as easy with a boxing glove.

De La Hoya pressed the action the whole night…thats the difference between boxing and the UFC/MMA, boxing is all about percentages and therefore Maywhether squeaked out the victory…bottom line is that boxing cannot compare with MMA anymore PERIOD!!!

boxing really has been dying a slow death since they stopped showing fights, championship fights and top conteders in general , on free tv. ican remember back in the 80s when you could see great fighters like leonard, mancini,camachoand arguello almost every week on either cbs or abc. hell im even old enough to remember seing ali fight shavers for free on abc. ppv and greed is what is killing boxing. i hope mma learned from this and never goes down this path.

Man, we’re both old. Me too to all of that. Boxing is dying for several reasons, most of which have been mentioned elsewhere: Too many orgs claiming world champs, Dong King and Bob Arum, fighters getting fuucked over all the time, no consistent showing on free tv ( the contender? ), no great promoters, no face time for the fighters…on and on. But to me, the end of boxing as a science and a sport ended when Leonard beat Hagler via split. Leonard admitted to not fight the fight, but fighting a gameplan. He ran and hid and pot-shotted Hagler for 2:30 secs of every round, then came alive for the last :30 for the judges. No one agreed with that decision, I mean no one in the papers, not one I talked to back then, no one ( unless you were a Leonard fan ). Once the laying it all out attitude left boxing and the I aint getting hurt for nothing attitude took over, boxing has died. You coud see it last night, the fighters werent all swollen or bloody, and DLH was smiling at the end. Ever seen an MMA fighter in a big match smile at the end? It’s dead. Give it up.

YouTapped acts like its a big deal to be a five or 6 time champ in boxing. In a quick search shows there are 17 weight classes in boxing and 4 “major” sanctioning bodies. (WBO,IBF,WBC,WBA) This adds up to 68 “Championship titles” in boxing. 5 time champion isn’t that impressive.

i was bored and wanting to leave after the ninth, but i stayed hoping oscar would catch floyd with a haymaker of some sort.

Here’s an update:

“I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn’t have said and I’m man enough to admit that. I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White (UFC owners). I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts.”

— Mayweather

Source: http://www.fightnews.com/boxing/bc/perea100.htm (scroll down to the end of the article)

This should end the discussion. He apologized and its obvious that it was a promotion/marketing thing someone said would be good for the fight. And it apparently worked. Good for him.

There another bashing for mma. Envy is such a terrible thing.

“Is he that paranoid about the emergence of another combat sport that he has to deride it specifically on the air during perhaps the last big boxing match for some time?”

I couldnt have put it in any better terms! Boxing, has gone down the drain for one reason, and one reason only… Its fighters and there lack of desire. The desire to get in there and knock someone out, (which just about every UFC fighter has)… Boxing has become about $$$ to all boxers, the lifestyle which boxing has afforded to these “fighters” i use the term loosely, is a lifestyle they dont want to let go, so they fight to win a purse, not to knock someone out and entertain the people. UFC fighters, given dont make the same $$$ as a boxer on the level of a DeLahoya or Mayweather, but I guarantee they will give there all to make a fight as entertaining as possible no matter the purse. UFC will continue its rise to being the top combat sport, regardless of what any one analysts’ opinion is.

Jo is clearly in this for the wrong reasons. Just go to war dude. You’ll get all the brutality you need.

Don’t tell me you watch boxing to see two guys punch each other for 12 rounds and for it to go to decision-A split decision I may add.
I think any fan of the boxing would want to see a knock down, knock out, a cut or two on the guy their favorite boxer is beating up….This Floyd/Oscar fight could have been better……don’t you agree?

People have to realize that MMA and Boxing are 2 different categories of sport just like Nascar and Formula 1 Racing. You’re not likely gonna see a champion from one sport stroll over to the other and simply dominate the other. The problem is when a few morons from one sport tries to dis the other, you have all sorts of fireworks erupting.

In a Boxing Match, FMJ will completely dominate SS. In a MMA match, SS will beat the crap outta FMJ. It’s simply a no contest. You want a middle ground? get both their asses drunk andstick them in a back alley. I’ll wager the guy who picks up a weapon will get the victory.

As far as the sport itself, Boxing is by no means less exciting or their fighters less skilled than MMA fighters. They operate with more skill in their sport and not the other. The tragedy of it all is the poor management of Boxing as a sport with a couple corrupt promoters polluting the sport as well as various sanctioning bodies with hundreds of championships that nobody really cares about.

Let’s cut Lampley some slack: He’s anti-war and anti-Bush administration. His head is in the right place.

YouTapped is right. You cannot make comparisons between fighters in boxing and in MMA. If you take offense to Lampley’s comment, it is not because of what he said, but that he said it to somehow put down MMA. Technically, as YouTapped points out quite well, Lampley’s comments are true. Boxing IS on a downhill spiral, scared, on the run and it has nothing to do with the quality of boxers.
Boxing takes offense to the recent success of MMA…obviously or Lampley would have said nothing of it.

12 you only need 5.then there’s no running or danceing round.just fighting

Truth of the matter is UFC is growing in popularity at amazing rates and that shouldn’t change in the forseeable future. However Boxing is not dead or dieing it definitely needs to make changes to get the best in with the best and end the polictics of the sport. Even still boxing has its fans and UFC has there but there is no reason why someone can’t love both I know I do.
To question skill level question if you put a UFC fighter in with a top notch boxer in boxing rules I’m sorry to say the UFC fighter would be killed. However if a boxer fought in MMA rules he wouldn’t last 30 seconds.
There is no comparison in the end they both had the things about them that are great and not so great but they are different sports and should be treated as such.

SaVaGe: thanks for reading AND understanding my posts. I was beginning to doubt my ability to articulate my thoughts.

“Let’s cut Lampley some slack: He’s anti-war and anti-Bush administration. His head is in the right place.”

Yeah, why fight a difficult war when you can go back home beating up women. The chance of winning is better.

SaVaGe: thanks for reading AND understanding my posts. I was beginning to doubt my ability to articulate my thoughts.

LOL I know you had to keep driving home the same point. I got it the 1st time. I think some peeps are just so fired up about the UFC and MMA that they just lose perspective or they have no real knowledge of the sweet science. Regardless, your thoughts were to the point and quite convincing.

Maybe 10 years from now when there are some REAL UFC HOFs, we can look at the two sports and participants in a different light. Plus, remember the UFC has only had belts since 2001, 1998, 2001, 1996 and 1997 respectively.

Let’s cut Lampley some slack: He’s anti-war and anti-Bush administration. His head is in the right place.

Anyone who is anti-Bush is okay by me.

YouTapped acts like its a big deal to be a five or 6 time champ in boxing. In a quick search shows there are 17 weight classes in boxing and 4 “major” sanctioning bodies. (WBO,IBF,WBC,WBA) This adds up to 68 “Championship titles” in boxing. 5 time champion isn’t that impressive.

Actually it is very impressive considering most fighters stay in there weight classes almost there whole career. if they do move up or down it’s usually one move at the most. Both De La Hoya and Mayweather have jumped and been succesful in several. I don’t appreciate what Boxing is trying to shine upon MMA and it’s following but I will always respect the sport. 5 time Champ in any sport shall always be recognized as a crowning achievement.

exactly, they keep mentioning mma because they are threatened by it, you don’t hear this kind of talk from ufc announcers during ufc shows

Your right Spida MMA comentators and analyst don’t talk down on boxing as Lamp’s comment on MMA that took place on sat. night. I would say it’s completely the opposite MMA announcers take pride in the growth and comparisons that the sport has with boxing. They always mention the connections. Example De La Hoya training with Diego. Fighters always give props to boxing and mention bringing over boxing fans .

This boxing match did not save Boxing. Do I think this was the last super fight in boxing? yes, No, Maybe, who the hell knows. All I know is that if MMA wasn’t such a threat to boxing there would not be talk about De La Hoya/ Mayweather being the last great fight. There wouldn’t be a threatened Mayweather lashing at Dana White and the UFC. There wouldn’t be comments from commentators. All taking place on boxing’s supposed biggest stage. The sport is in fear of taking second place. It will never dissapear, and I hope it doesn’t. MMA deserves to be here, and deserves the attention. As bought off as boxing is they should of let Oscar win the fight or called it a draw because Oscar still brings in the crowd and the money. As great As pretty punk Floyd is he doesn’t bring the crowd like De La Hoya. So with the tail between there legs boxing chooses a punk like Mayweather to be it’s leader. There it is

Anyone who is anti-Bush is okay by me.

I like both boxing and MMA.

In my mind, is boxing going to be replaced by MMA? No. I say MMA is boxer’s successor, not replacement.

boxers would get destroyed by any mma fighter…and boxing is boring

All of sudden Floyd Pretty Punk Mayweather apoligigizes to Dana and UFC about MMA comments made. Ends his apology with I do not have plans to fight MMA. Yea bro! Here’s some reality you won’t hang.

Oh shoot, if what Stafo is saying is true, that’s awsome, big time respect, shows more legitisism to the boxing audiance. Hats off to Floyd if that’s true. Where’d you hear that Stafo?

Over at Junkie! Sorry Mania my loyalty is with you…LOL

I’m glad Floyd apoligized for talking out of his ass. It just doesn’t make sense why Lampley what attack MMa directly the way he did. I think Golden Boy should get involved in MMA and start getting some of these fighters sponsored.

yea he man’d up and apoligized like a man, but he would still get whopped in the octagon…Lampley said those things because he new how many viewers were watching and his sad attempt to bash MMA/UFC to all of the viewers to get them to hate UFC/MMA and begin watching boxing more was pathetic and that’s all it was…he knows wussup and MMA is taking over and that was the last big boxing event..

Oh shoot, if what Stafo is saying is true, that’s awsome, big time respect, shows more legitisism to the boxing audiance. Hats off to Floyd if that’s true. Where’d you hear that Stafo?

Heh, scroll up to timestamp: May 7th, 2007 at 2:31 am

I posted the link as well.

For everyone talking about the Paydays affecting the UFC, even Gumby, Thinks it will change the sport. Also it gives me a reason to post one of the funnest Joe Rogan Interviews I have seen

Rogan and Gumby

Also another Rogan Video, some liked the Video UFCMania posted, so I thought this one was funny

Rogan VS Myspace Challenger

Completely off Topic But Still Funny

Later
Chris Valentine

Mayweather vs De la Hoya = Masterpiece. Youtapped said it.