Who the hell thinks it was controversial? The fighters are told beforehand by the refs that any submissions they have they are to “hold onto it until the ref stops the fight”.
If anything it would controversial that Dean didn’t stop the fight earlier (which he seems to have a problem with in other fights stopping it TOO early).

Anyway it was a great fight, to me Kampmann looked like he was outweight by McFedries by a good 50 pounds (at least when watching the PPV). McFedries looked like a monster and after a few strikes I was sure that Kampmann was going out on a stretcher but as usual MMA proves otherwise. . great fight !

there wasn’t nothing wrong with the way that fight ended, the dude got pounded on for a couple good minutes and then worked his way to that choke, if i was him i would of had that shit locked in so tight i wouldn’t be able to feel herb dean pulling me off at first either, he was just concentrating on ending the fight and not getting hit again…i wonder if these two will fight again maybe, it was a good fight that was fun to watch

It’s been discussed that he held on too long. I don’t share that opinion, just passing along the comment for those who had a feeling on the issue one way or the other.

well McFreidies is from Miliitch camp…after Sylvia got his arm broken by Mir, Sylvia, Hughes and Militich all said that its in the best interest of the fighters to keep going, and the referees job is to make sure the fight is over….Herb Dean was the ref in that fight as well…Herb did the right thing, so did kampman…Is McFredies and his camp arguing this, or is it other people??

If i got punched as hard as Kampmann did I would have made sure it was over. I think its obvious that Mcfedries hits really hard and would probably have punched a hole in Kampmanns face had he not taken it to the ground.It was a good move and a great decision to go to the ground by Kampmann. Hopefully both fighters will get more chances.

Herb Dean was slow and indecisive. He was also involved in the contraversial stop/warning/restart of the Arlovsky – Pidi Pano Cruz fight.

Arlovshi vs Cruz was horrible, reminded me of old school Saturday morning cartoons, “Ok now, when I nod my head, you hit it.”

The arlovski fight was fine. Herb asked them to stand back up but Cruz wanted none of that and said he was fine and that he could continue on the ground. Arndei waited a few seconds after the start up before he hit him, he didnt punch him as soon as the start up began.

ppwwpp

Arlovsky speaks english at about an eighth grade level, and Cruz speaks english on about a first grade level. It was obvious that Cruz didn’t have a clue as to what was happening on the restart. Herb Dean facilitated this confusion.

Take a closer look at a replay.

Drew McFedries is a douchebag. He got his ass handed to him by my man Martin. I will beat Drew’s ass if he ever starts talking shit again, in or out of the ring!

you da man ross!!!!

Ross…. dont you have to prove you can beat the guy who sets up the cage prior to the fights before you say you could beat McFredries?

Just curious.

Love live my idol, Ross Pointon. >>

Arlovski knew exactly what was going on and made a great split second decision to end the fight. I thought it was perfect…

Agreed wildbill. I dont know what fight ppwwpp was watching.

I think Kampmann did hold on for to long, didnt you see Herb Dean slapping the crap out of his back. lol Did you see the look on Herb Dean’s face? He was like let go fool! Im sure Kampmann didnt do it on purpose, but you need to be careful with these things because you don’t want McFedries to get brain damage.

Only newbs to the sport of MMA would think Kampmann’s stoppage of McFedries was “controversial” and the same goes for anyone who thinks Arlovski’s KO of Pe de Pano Cruz resulted from anything that Herb Dean supposedly did.

Fighters are given their instructions prior to the fight, with interpreters in attendance if english is not the first language of the fighter. The fighters are told, among other things:

- Obey the referee’s commands at all times.
- Keep fighting until the referee stops the bout.

Arlovski obeyed the referee’s instructions, as did Kampmann. I don’t see a problem.

I lose all feeling after about 20 secs in a fight, be it on a mat in class, or in real life. A lot of fighters experience the same thing. I doubt Martin even felt Herb’s hands on his shoulder. He probably heard him before he felt him.
No controversy at all.
And AA timed it perfect. That fight was reviewed afterward since Cruz’ ppl asked for it to be. I never heard the results, but if it had been overturned, we’d a heard about.
And I’ll take Herb Dean over Big John any day.

I agree that niether one of those stoppages were either too late or contraversal. The fighters are busy concentrating on looking for openings and avoiding creating any on themselves. Their objective is to end the fight. I think its too much to ask them to ignore all of their training and the adrenaline rush of competition to make sure they aren’t hurting anyone too much.

You also can’t blame the refs. They know that if they call the fight too quickly and don’t give a fighter a chance to recover, they could be costing him success in both the short and the long term. Its a fucking fight. Think its safe to assume someone is going to get hurt.

herb dean over big John come on now. i hope you are talkin about which one you want to fight

OMG! Herb Dean over Big John??? Are you freaking serious? Dean is the master of early stoppages! I was actually surprised he let Kampman choke McFedries out. And now we can see why…Dean was about to crap a disco biscuit when he wasn’t able to get Kampman’s attention! Dean over McCarthy….whatever!

RoB, buying the hype without using your mind…. Do you know Big John is any good, or do you just hear it over and over and over? Why did Pride refuse him in the Las Vegas shows? Hmmm. He doesnt have a very good reputation as a ref in MMA circles if you didnt know. Keep listening to Goldie and Blowgums. They always tell the truth….

Kampman pulled off a great win! I thought for sure he was going to be tenderized. Theres no question for me, thaere was NOTHING contriversial about that fight. ANd I can watched the Arlovski fight a few times, and though I could see what people thought was cheap, it was totally clean, he gave lots of time after the ref restarted. And By the way Steve Mazzagatti takes the cake.

I’m not even sure why this is a story unless McFedries was complaining and if he was, he should quit whining. Nothing controversial at all about Kampman’s win, I thought it was one of the better fights that night.

Arlovoski’s fight was controversial only due to the fact that he was grabbing the cage for balance as he rocked Cruz. A fighter obviously isn’t allowed to grab the fence ever and Arlovski was blatantly using it to his advantage.

Drew wasnt complaining… he got caught…he knew what was happening and he want gonna tap.

Drew must have one of the hardest heads in MMA, the amount of heavy punches he took of Alessio Sakara, who has a professional boxing record was amazing. He just kept on going like a Terminator. I think Sakara was in shock. Anyone who fights this guy would be crazy if they didn’t take it to the ground. Hoping to see better things from him in the future.